And YUK, I really am STUCK!

[TygerChild]

HOW CAN I RESOLVE THIS IN THE BEST, WORKABLE WAY?

Bit convoluted this question I know, but it does mean something.

Response from I Ching: 2.6> 23 i.e. EARTH>STRIPPING AWAY

So. Hexagram 2.6 = Two sides are in opposition and both may be hurt/competition destroys where cooperation harmonizes/Persevere in receptivity, reticience, humility. Creative and receptive must not work against each other. Don't exhaust yourself any longer in a battle you cannot win/ Relinquish your dominating attitude and surrender. You have become controlling and adversarial. That will result in injury for all concerned. make whatever amends you can. Seek advice and follow it. (ha ha)...../Indulgence of negative emotions brings misfortune/you cant be open to everlasting possibilities. Receptivity reaches limit at line 6..In the end you have to choose..cannot keep options open forever. Someone suggested this is about a person who cannot move on...if procrastinates any longer will lose everything..the situation needs resolving...There is an intrinsic incompatibility between...ppl..forces?

So, this isn't just a case of being 'blocked', or I would have got 12 here.
And it isn't just a case of 'conflict', or I would have got Hex 6...?

It seems to be about Indecision..procrastination......failure to act? Or is it saying that actually I SHOULD NOT ACT?

Is it advisable to go the wire, and act in order to have my baggage stripped of me, and thereby be liberated into (loosely speaking), some kind of more 'enlightened' or 'enlightening', or 'lighter' state....by a 'cut and run' scenario? Or would this be disastrous? Who determines whether it be 'disastrous' or not? The sage? me? What are the values behind this? Behind the I ching? How am I to interpret these comments? What is the moral paradigm? Sorry about this, but it really bugs me...these questions are so crucial.

I really don't want to 'cut and run' the situation in order to so-called 'grow' even though it may be this is saying I should? have I outgrown the situation that has kept me safe? OR if I act in a way the ends with their rejection of me.....is that a dangerous situation for me to end up in? Or is it exactly right for me? I don't want this. I really don't want to be EJECTED. I want to remain. However.....I am not sure I can do the Sage's thing, as it is reported here anyway - which is not to oppose, not to fight, but basically...to conform...? (oh dear, and yuk, I really am STUCK...for I am such a...........'delinquent').

Any comments on this reading would be appreciated from those wiser than I am. Which I am sure are many here.

 

[moss elk]

"Relinquish your dominating attitude and surrender"

Hexagram 2 is about being yielding, an assistant instead of a leader.

Paraphrasing Tuck Chang : Your haughtiness is / will cause calamity.

So it seems to be saying that you are playing a major part in this problem, and tells you how to end it.

Its not about procrastination or indecision, it is about the specific way You are acting, not the other party.

So , what's the situation anyway?

 

[ginnie]

The text says that two dragons fight in the field and things get ugly. This can mean many things. Once what it meant for me was that I failed to get out of the way when two men were fighting, and I got seriously injured physically. So it doesn't always mean that you yourself have taken a domineering attitude . . .

If I had to say what it means in a few words, I guess it means get out of way; a fight is going to happen.

 

[moss elk]

Ginnie ,

Im curious, would you mind giving a brief summary of the situation with the two men fighting?
(Like strangers on the street who crashed into you? A fight you sought to intervene/break up..etc)

I ask because I dont recall receiving this one myself.
thanks.

 

[ginnie]

Well, Moss Elk, I had just settled back into the dental chair. The dentist leaned my way to begin work, when suddenly behind me, at the doorway, came the voice of another patient. This was a big man with a rough temperament who believed that the time slot was his and that it was his turn in the chair. The dentist told him that someone from his family had called to cancel his appointment. The man insisted that he be taken. I said that I'd go, it would be okay with me to wait for a better time for my own appointment. But the dentist indicated that I was not to get up; I was to stay where I was. There was another verbal argument with the man standing at the door. I can't remember what happened; maybe some staff members came to remove him. The thing was, it was all very tense and emotionally charged. Later I found that I lost 15 percent of the hearing in both my ears from the dentistry that day. The dentist said that the anesthesia couldn't have caused that, that it was used on so many people and people weren't losing their hearing. I asked Yi what had happened and it said 2.6 > 23, Dragons fight in the fields. I think I should have insisted that I be allowed to get up out of the chair and leave. But I was too compliant and not self-assertive. :bows:

 

[moss elk]

Thanks for posting ginnie, I think I understand 2.6 better now.

You asked about that situation, "what was that?"
A bossy patient (subordinate) tried to run the show (when the dentist had the right to) resulting in serious strife.

Wisewoman asked "how can I?"
"What was that?" And "How can I?" Are fundementally different questions.

Hex 2 counsels one to follow and not try to lead (or one goes astray)
Line 6 says one in a subordinate position should not forcefully try to lead or serious consequences. (Earth battles for dominance over Heaven)

So I stand by my original interpretation and am open to hearing opinions.

 

[TygerChild]

Thanks for posting ginnie, I think I understand 2.6 better now.

You asked about that situation, "what was that?"
A bossy patient (subordinate) tried to run the show (when the dentist had the right to) resulting in serious strife.

Wisewoman asked "how can I?"
"What was that?" And "How can I?" Are fundementally different questions.

Hex 2 counsels one to follow and not try to lead (or one goes astray)
Line 6 says one in a subordinate position should not forcefully try to lead or serious consequences. (Earth battles for dominance over Heaven)

So I stand by my original interpretation and am open to hearing opinions.

Thanks for comments. Yes, it does make sense, this reading. But nevertheless I feel those in official positions who are meant to be helping really don't seem to have much idea of what they are doing....I am sure I am arrogant often....but at the same time I find it very hard to inhabit a space that enables me to appropriately receive...I think they are out of their depth, and the game I see being played stimulates cynicism and anger. So, I am not sure I can adapt. Wish I could.

 

[moss elk]

I would suggest being compliant with them.

But! before doing so, maybe you could initiate a discussion going over thier protocols for grievances.
Do they have rules in place for this? Perhaps they are inadequate? I think you have the right to have your concerns addressed, and a right to know about their procedures. This knowledge alone may banish you fears of powerlessness in the situation. AND they need to be sensitive to the fact that the dynamics of this situation is triggering you.

Best wishes.

 

[TygerChild]

There is some kind of 'investigation' going on, but the rules are clearly skewed in 'their' favour and mostly I am frozen out from what is going on. The main complaint is a failure to involve me in my own 'programme' and that main complaint is mirrored by the way the 'investigation' itself is being handled..!
hence I feel powerless, angry, scared, hurt.
And at the same time trying to be the 'marrying maiden'
What do they want? blood?

 

[Trojina]

To the cast. I see 2.6 as trying to keep all possibilities open all the time. Someone, I don't know who, you or them, can't come to a decision and wants to keep everything open. But choices must be made. That's why it changes to 23.

I don't think 2.6 means 'be compliant' I think it means be willing to make a choice and act on it even if it means cutting ties to something (hex 23). It's like 2 is all about receptivity and so on ? Well in 2.6 the time to passively accept all options has gone. It's time to make a choice. You can have one thing or the other. You cannot have both.

Ginnie's example is great although she interpreted it from another angle...basically not everyone could have the appointment, a choice had to be made. Both clients could get in the dentist's chair. Ginnie possibly needed to be less compliant. A choice had to be made. Her dentist chose her. People couldn't hang about saying 'well maybe if you like you have the chair".

So your what is your question actually about ? As it is I think you cannot keep it all open. If you have a choice of two things you must choose one and let the other go. If the 2.6 is about 'them' then they need to do the same.

Compliancy and leaving it all open is not a good idea here. 2.6 is misunderstood if it is only thought to be about ego struggles. It's choices. if choices are left open and we don't make a clear choice then life bleeds away as nothing happens...it's like stalemate.


So don't be compliant....make a decision or let them make a decision . You can't go on leaving it all open

 

[Trojina]

BTW WW you have about 4 or 5 threads on the go ...or seems like it, so it's getting confusing as to what the questions are actually about. They are all melding into one for me.

are you speaking of the CPN's, psychiatrists and their decsions about your treatment or are you talking about mystical stuff or are you talking about a relationship oor.....

what are you talking about here

 

[TygerChild]

Yes, it is about everything being in abeyance, but it is not my call.

Trojan, this is very judgemental; it ain't appropriate.

I can't enter into this right now, sorry.

 

[Trojina]

Okay, I see your point, it wasn't aimed at you, more general, but will edit the rants

 

[TygerChild]

Very much value your take on things Trojan. Really. You also have a point - it is just that I am on the receiving end of all this stuff -yes, in mental health- and finding it hard to make sense of what they are doing.

 

[Trojina]

Yes I see. I have some friends who work in the NHS so I guess I was defending them but not appropriate here. :bows:

 

[TygerChild]

I can understand Trojan. Thank you. :bows: