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I've been employed to do some gardening. The owners have gone on holidays and a caretaker is here to look after all the animals. It's on a cattle station so there's no one else around for miles.

It's only been 24 hours since the caretaker arrived and he's shown to be a bully and neglectful towards the animals, I would confront him but bear in mind the living situation as stated above.

What can I do to manage the neglect I'm witnessing 12.5>35
The only thing I get from this is to be vigilant but unsure what that can mean in this instance.

What if I can get photographic evidence
Hex 31.4>33
Looks like thatvwould be a good idea to back up my words but do it from a distance so the caretaker doesn't know.
What if I let tell the owners in the next couple of days
Hex 5.5>11
Best to wait at this time.
 
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Recently I ran across something Hilary said about 12.5 in her blog:
https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2017/07/20/making-the-most-of-it/

12.5
‘Resting when blocked.
Great person, good fortune.
It is lost, it is lost!
Tie it to the bushy mulberry tree.’
How can you make the most of being blocked? What’s the opportunity in that?

Well… there’s the opportunity to have a rest.

Although we might also be inclined to ‘make the most of’ the drama (‘it is lost!’), ultimately we’re learning to be philosophical about how things are. Sometimes things naturally flow our way and our ideas bear fruit; sometimes, they don’t. And when they don’t, this is an opportunity to reconnect with the natural pace of growth and change: tie it to the mulberry. (This opportunity is so well-hidden that it’s also tucked away in the nuclear hexagram of 12: 53, Gradual Progress, the hardy tree growing on the mountain.)

Re: 31.4, I don't think I've ever known what to do with it. It doesn't say danger, though. It's a follow-up question so I suppose it could mean Yi thinks there wasn't any need for another question. "Friends follow your thoughts" sometimes strikes me as "I have to produce a reading since you cast one, but really I have nothing else to say," but that's a guess.

From 12.5 ("blocked," after all), how bad is what he's doing? I hate asking that since no one likes to see neglect of animals, but is it likely actually to hurt them, or is it more like they'll have some relatively unpleasant days (which happen to all of us) but then the owners will come back and the nasty fellow will leave and things will go back to normal? That might be the "mulberry" part - you think something is lost and dreadful, but not really-really, the mulberry keeps growing, life goes on.

You're the one who's there and sees what's happening, though.
 

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Thank you for helping me out here Liselle....
I kept a close eye things yesterday and it seems he just doesn't have the patience for the younger animals.
He readily admitted to belting the 18 month old dog for chasing the horses. So much so I noticed the dog was struggling to get onto her hind legs.
I noticed that before he told me.
Then I saw him pick up the 3 month old puppy literally by the collar because he wouldn't get back into his cage yelling at him.
Yes they're working dogs (in training) but I've been here 2 weeks and never saw or heard the owners speak or do anything close to this behaviour the caretaker has shown.
If I'm turning into more than it is based in the readings then I'll try to just deal with it knowing yes in 2 weeks he'll be gone.
The thing that bothers me though is the owners have booked him in 3 more times until the end of the year.
Also the pet cat comes over to my flat begging me to feed her.
 

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What a bastard! Do whatever you can I don't care what Yi says it has to stop.

I mean he's not just neglectful he's cruel, physically violent to the dog, belting the animal. I'd belt him ! I'm sure they wouldn't want their dog beaten so badly it cannot stand or indeed beaten at all!

It's animal cruelty isn't it?
 

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Well yes, that's much too severe to continue. Never mind what I thought about the reading before I knew enough. This could be a case of the situation showing us something about the line and not the other way around.

The owners also won't want their young dogs traumatized like that, it could ruin them for life like any other young being.
 
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What a bastard! Do whatever you can I don't care what Yi says it has to stop.

I mean he's not just neglectful he's cruel, physically violent to the dog, belting the animal. I'd belt him ! I'm sure they wouldn't want their dog beaten so badly it cannot stand or indeed beaten at all!

It's animal cruelty isn't it?
It really is....have to work out something to make sure I'm safe as well that's why I'm unsure what I can do at this time.
 

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If you tell the owners that won't endanger you will it?

Is this caretaker already known to them or brand new?
 

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Would the owners have any ability to come back early, or not?

Could you do his job at all?

I'd worry it might endanger you if the owners can't come back but fired him by phone or something without anyone else there. If they could call someone else in before firing him it might be okay.
 

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I wonder if the readings might have advice if we look at them creatively, from the angle/assumption that Yi understands how bad this is. I don't have any ideas, though.
 

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Could there be any credible excuse or reason or way that you could be more visible to him? Would he do these things in front of you or if he thinks you might be around? Could you pop up randomly around him in a way that looks natural?

That wouldn't be a long-term solution, though, and it'd probably put a lot of stress on you.


Do you think you could get good video of the dog's leg trouble without him noticing?
 
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Would the owners have any ability to come back early, or not?

Could you do his job at all?

I'd worry it might endanger you if the owners can't come back but fired him by phone or something without anyone else there. If they could call someone else in before firing him it might be okay.
They're a long way away from here. I don't know them well enough to know how they'd respond to my 'accusations'. They're a tight-knit community and I'm a blow in.....they've all grown up around this relative small town so I just don't know what the outcome would be if I did speak up.
At this point it's not safe for me to say anything given all the dynamics. If he's a bully to vulnerable animals he's sure as hell wouldn't hesitate to threaten me, whether he'd physically hurt me is an unknown to me.
My plan is to finish the job and leave on Monday.
 

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He seems to have done a 100% about face!! Lately I've gained a reputation for being able to get people (and animals) to do this without seemingly doing anything....
A few months ago I did house sit where there were two 4 year old female sister cats. Their names are Pumpkin and Mushroom. Mushroom tended to hideaway from strangers that came to the house.
I houesat them for about a week and I renamed Mushroom, My Shadow.
A couple of days after the owners came back they had visitors over and apparently Mushroom went to the front door to greet them and hung around to get to know them. The owners were totally surprised by her behaviour but also very happy and definitely believe it's my time with the cats that turned around with Mushrooms ways.
Whilst the caretaker is obviously the caretaker of the animals they do bark a lot and I call out for them to stop (not yelling) and/or I'll go over and give them a pat so whether that's the reason why he's pulled his head in, who knows. Either way I'm just happy to see these animals being looked after properly.
 

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Mostly it means:
Make up your mind.
(important part)


(Secondary part;
And your friends will support you. )
Wonder how Yi meant it here? Maybe an indirect answer?

It was the question about taking pictures, which has ended up not being needed but not because Ontheroad couldn't make up her mind. She wasn't sure it was safe, mostly, I think. In hindsight maybe it meant how the caretaker would come around. As she said, she had an effect without doing much. Setting a good example maybe.

I don't mean 31.4 means "set a good example" per se...
It changes to 39... "Influencing a turnaround" seems to fit.
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Maybe it just didn't answer that specific question, rather it gave guidance generally.
I was persistent in saying things like ' oh that dog doesn't usually chase cattle.....' and 'the owners usually take the puppy on the lead for a walk so they don't have to chase it to get it back into it's cage'
 

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Wonder how Yi meant it here? Maybe an indirect answer?
Ontheroad was in a state of 'a mind going back and forth'
Yi said "make up your mind'
Why only this and no judgement?
Because every single moment & thing and idea in life is not as epic, profound, dramatic or as important as we may 'feel' or think it is in the moment.

Often it's choice between a sandwich or oatmeal, a blue shirt or a yellow shirt,
'Monday's mundane'.

Re: 31.4, I don't think I've ever known what to do with it.
Then you have ever personified it. :)

because Ontheroad couldn't make up her mind.
That's when we get the line.

It was about her state of mind mostly, & the way friends support our decisions.


She wasn't sure it was safe, mostly, I think.
Right, So then the reading confirmed the support (safety) would be received.
 
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Then you have ever personified it.
Not following this, sorry. What do you mean by "personified it"?

Ontheroad in her last post explained what she did and said, which was more than I had thought, but not in a confrontational way.

Anyway I'm really happy something worked.
 

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Not following this, sorry. What do you mean by "personified it"?
:)

The line is a picture of a mental state where a person is going back and forth and can't decide. Every time you got this line you "didn't know what to do with it' ....
Or 'couldn't decide.'

So, each time you got the line, your opinion about the line embodied or personified the line's meaning. :)

You've made my day.
Thank you.
:zen:
 
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I just looked up a few authors, and some of them add the word/idea only, as in "only your friends will follow your thoughts." Legge, for instance:
Line 4 is strong, but in an even place. It is the seat of the mind. Its subject therefore is warned to be firm and correct in order to a good issue. If he be wavering and uncertain, his influence will not extend beyond the circle of his friends.

I can see that with the caretaker. He is not at all Ontheroad's friend, so in order to influence him, Ontheroad had to (as you said) be resolute, decisive, purposeful. But in this case not accusatory or confrontational. She pulled it off swimmingly :zen:
 

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:)

The line is a picture of a mental state where a person is going back and forth and can't decide. Every time you got this line you "didn't know what to do with it' ....
Or 'couldn't decide.
Well not really, in this case. It was whether taking photos was the best way to prove my 'accusations'.
I wasn't back and forth about it, It was a simple case of whether it was worth bothering with.
 

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Yes, I'm still having trouble seeing what that reading is getting at. Neither the owners nor the caretaker are your friends, so that fits, and you did manage to influence him (gently - I mean, 31 is not 43, where you'd make a big declaration about what he was doing), so that fits, too. The two hexagrams seem to make sense, as I said ("Influencing a turnaround" or "Having influence during difficulties" or something).

But I can't see "Here is how the line answered the question" in a way I can explain. Unless as you said it was more just general advice.

Photographs seem 43-ish. In 43 the messenger appears in front of the king brandishing a token (/pictures). Maybe Yi meant, "No, do this instead"?

(Why am I going on about 43, you might wonder. No reason except I was trying to think how Yi might've said yes, by all means take pictures, and thought maybe 43. Vs. the subtle way you actually did it. 31 is more subtle, I think.)
 

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For the sake of this post it would be good to work out what it means but in the bigger picture, to me, it's sorted.
Having spent a little bit of time with him he seems quite a decent person but possibly no emotional intelligence or a way to deal with frustration or anger. From what he said my guess is that he wasn't aware there would be younger animals there and just the usual working dogs and Horses etc that he is used to. He is a man in his late 70s and I know that we do lose patience with such things as youg animals as we get older, well I do anyway. I'm not making excuses for him just that I think that's what is probably what happened and what makes sense to me..
 

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