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Trojina

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Hmm I was wondering if it would be possible to do as we did on the other thread 'I Ching on the I Ching' only this time just have a persons own real life experience of that line, nothing made up, no quotes just personal experience. I think that would take at least a century, by the time it was finished we'd all have passed on hmm... It would be helpful though, for example I don't think I ever had much experience with 1.1, or 1,2...plenty of 36 though.. And its interesting to hear how people feel their answers played out in their lives.

OKay 1.1 ?
 

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a great new project

I think that idea would be soooo great. a wonderful learning experience.
good one, void, er... trojan
 

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How about allowing more than one contribution per line? I think that should be encouraged (though not a rule :) . And are we sure it should be limited to just the real questions? Maybe after someone posts the initial example question, the door is then open to posting the favorite quote, song, recipe or insight you connect with the hexagram. You could title this thread, Everything You Wanted to Know About The Hexagrams.. but were afraid to ask.
Would you want to try a practice run using just the hexagrams? That is, for Hexagram 1, a poster need only submit a question that got him Hexagram 1 regardless of what the change lines are.
Anyway, what ever folks decide, I'm all for it. I'm just throwing ideas out here cause I think 1.1 Hidden Dragon is all about getting clear on your intention before you proceed!
 
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Eh ? Recipe connected with the hexagram, lol. (Theres no laughing emoticon anymore.)

I don't think I would want to have a clear intention here Rosada. We can't have and thats good isn't it because who knows what all kinds of different people will contribute in their own style and manner.

i think it would take a long time and grow organically, it would have to because maybe theres just not going to be someone around who can say 'this is how 1.1 manifested for me last year' etc etc.... but we are in no rush are we ? Just an idea to float...
And yes people could just give experience of the hexagram regardless of line, as a matter of fact people will do just whatever they want in the end, as you know;) ..doesn't matter..

Er hex 1 ? 1.1 ? Nope nothing comes to my mind, now I think of it I never throw 1.1 or 1,2 though I did throw 1,4 twice recently when asking why I was having some peculiar dreamtime nocturnal experiences, hovering yes.
 

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Actually, I think my experience with 1.1 is not so much that one needs to have a "clear" intention, but rather that first an idea is hidden and as you talk it up, energize it, it then manefests in the "field" hex 1.2. Like if you talk about dinosaurs, the next thing you know someone is bring one to your door. So if we talk about 1.1 I'm sure someone will toss it!
 

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Listener has suggested over on the "I Ching on The I Ching" thread that we not actually launch this thread until the first one safely reaches the shore. (Wow, really good fit to line 63.4, Listener.) I think this is a good idea. Starting something new Before Completion would be like leaving a dinner party before dessert! Meanwhile, though I do want to report I've been getting ideas about 1.1. I woke up this morning thinking it would be the fitting answer to, "If a tree falls in the forest..?"
Anyway, when we are ready to begin here would you want to start a fresh thread, Void, and give us a title? Like, The Real I Ching. Also, should each hexagram begin with a question that didn't receive any change lines so we can have a discussion of the Judgements and Images? So maybe the first entry should not be 1.1, but simply 1?
 

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48.1 - 5 Old Well - Waiting

I'm afraid "The I Ching on The I Ching" has become an old well that no one uses anymore. I was hoping Bruce - being the one who came up for the line for 1.1 at the start of the story - would return with some word of completion for 64.6. That hasn't happened and since so far no one else has filled in the last line, the thread may just dangle for awhile.
Meantime while we're waiting, I suggest we continue to brain storm about our next project. When you're actually ready to start, Trojan, if no one has filled it in with a more inspired thought, how about you herald the new beginning by posting "The End" on line 64.6 on the other thread?
 
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Hi Rosada,

Nice you see you’ve returned.

Hopefully, by now you know that I have no real choice but to speak candidly. There’s no offense intended by it, and it often comes off harder sounding than I intend it. Am just very direct in mannerism.

anyway..

I really enjoyed the first foray you started, with the 64 hexagrams. The main reason is that it was so spontaneous and natural. The changing lines thread was, to me, too forced for my own ease with it. Not saying that’s a bad thing, only that that’s my own personal feeling about it. I have a real aversion to classrooms! :)

Let me see what I can come up with to wrap up 64.6. And, thanks for asking me to do the honors.
 

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Hilary used to have (and maybe still does) another site that was just for collecting real-life experiences with different hex and lines. I can't find it right now. It slowly accumulated stuff in no particular order.
 

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What I liked about the previous thread was the sense of group endeavour that was not focused on a particular reading and its associated person. Not the focus of many concentrating on assisting one, but of many playing with many. The structure of one post per line created a certain discipline, but the whole thing was wonderfully uncontrollable. The Merlin line coming after mine was stunning - and the sort of thing no one in a millon years would have created on their own.
 

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It can be interesting because you realise how different others take on stuff is to your own. Like I enjoyed the Merlyn post but couldn't see how it related to 64 at all ?

And I did toddle off after reading it to consider its truth, wondering if for me the answer to sadness was learning something ? I didn't come to a firm conclusion.

See I didn't get it. Didn't get why that Merlyn post was attached to 64. But in a way thats very good since its gets me thinking about the hexagram a slightly different way and generally gets me thinking.

Oh BTW if anyone would care to tell me about the Merlyn post and why they are together I'd be interested, but then I am also satisfied to put it down to Listeners creative license so no explanation really needed.

I think I liked the fact there were no explanations of posts in the usual way. I would think 'why did you pluck that song out' or 'why did you write that', but as it was not an analytical thread but a playful thread and sometimes poetic thread, gave more musing space.

I never wanted the idea of 'the right sort of post', like a tone we must all adhere to, so uncontrolledness if there is such a word is definately necessary for any life to get through in a group endeavour if it is really a group endeavour.

My original suggestion in this thread came as I realised how very differently people see the hexes and lines and I thought real life experience shows how the person really has lived that answer, not just abstract speculation but how it manifested for them, how they perceived their whole experience from question to realisation. I don't really think its feasible to do it in order though like 1.1, 1.2 so maybe something about a billion times more fluid ? Heh heh maybe a new thread will start, maybe a dragon will stir and twitch its tail, maybe it won't, maybe it will stay hidden in the deep.
 

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Very nice finish, Bruce.
Dare I say A+?
Just kidding! Just Kidding!
 

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Trojan....oh my, I really do love the way you are such a stickler for detail. I imagine you are an accountant in real life....or at the very least, a Virgo.

but re: the merlyn post, to me it was/is soooooo 64.....64 is an ending with the hint of new beginnings.....and in any ending there is a bittersweet kind of feeling, a kind of sadness... in any ending, there is also a promise of something new , and so Merlyn says not to be sad, because there is always this promise of what's beyond, to learn something new, because that is never ever exhausted.

64 really is like new year's eve, you're almost there, its been a wonderful journey, but it's nostalgic too. many people get a little sad at new year's eve....but then there is new year's day,1/1 the whitest purest day of the year, everything is NEW, untouched, ready for you to leap out and begin a new path
 

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Thanks for explaining, you didn't have to really:D I am not an accountant, I can't add up and never have any money to add up anyway.

I am not a Virgo but do have Virgo Ascendant so well spotted !

Never did I think of 64 as sad before, I guess because I think of it as loads of work to do, nowhere near your destination, still a way to go....but I can incorporate sadness into my 64 understanding...I think ..maybe :cool:
 
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Rosada, an A+? Ok, but please, let's keep it our little secret. My parents might insist I complete finishing school if they found out. I rather like unfinished.
 

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I seem to miss many of the new posts on this new system, it is not like the old one where you could see a kind of tree with new posts on it.
anyway, thank you Willow...your 63.6 was so touching, it left me with a kind of lump in my throat, or maybe like a longing in my heart, or something like that! and this is why the merlin post seemed to want to slip right in there.
you write beautifully.btw
 

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A+ for Bruce? How can he ever live it down?

I like the idea of a 'real life I Ching' thread. I agree it'd be slow, we might wait years for anyone to have a good and share-able 1.1, but what's wrong with that? Perhaps I could make the thread a 'sticky' so it would stay at the top of the list.

The 'experiences' site is at http://www.ichingresources.co.uk, and hasn't been updated in donkeys' years. If you send stories for it (or put a note on any posts here to say that'd be OK), I'll try to get round to adding them.

There's a link for 'new posts' on the left, and you can also subscribe to a forum and get a list of new and updated threads emailed to you at whatever frequency you like.
 

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