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Listen to this...

While I was at this hostel I was having daily conversations with a guy who worked there. He seemed very friendly and really went out of his way to answer any questions I had about the area. When I was leaving he mentioned to me that he had thought about visiting the city where I live and had apparently already checked online for prices and was planning to arrive early next week. I told him that I knew of some good hostels around here and that if he did decide to pop on over for a few days to look around..that he should send me an email, let me know when he'd be here and I'd show him around a bit. It was all very friendly and as far as I know, that's all it was. I actually expected to hear from him, but I didn't. I asked, "What hasn't that guy emailed me?"

56.3.6 to 16

56 is about travelling, travellers and that does seem to tie in with someone who works at a hostel doesn't it? Both moving lines are about someone losing something through carelessness. Did the guy get fired from his job there...or did he lose the email address at the hostel somewhere?

I'm asking because I'm going to call over there in a day or two and ask to speak to him. I never got his email and I think I'd like to have it. I think it's nice to know people in other cities, make new friends. Anyone have any ideas on what this reading might mean as to why he hasn't emailed me? I will report back with the results of the phone call.
 

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"I asked, "Why hasn't that guy emailed me?" 56.3.6 to 16"

Hex 56.3 suggests that he may have got himself into trouble, maybe an argument or some kind of rash behaviour and is now out of a job.

Hex 56.6 again seems to suggest that he is not working at the hostel, could he of got drunk while on duty and had a fight with someone?

Hex 16 suggests that he is now preparing to do something, looking for another job, about to move someplace else but it does give the impression that he is busy and perhaps seeking help from friends, therefore he has been to occupied to contact you, let alone travel.
 

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Hi Willowfox,

What you said was my first thought as well. He's having some problems...possibly related to working there (getting fired?) or to his living situation. I will call in a couple of days or so and report back.

I did ask a couple of related questions about it...can't remember exactly what they were now...but I did get 26.2 and 60.1. All of these answers suggest to me that he is having some difficulties.
 

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Update...

Now I'm not sure how to read the answer. I just called over there and the guy is still working there. So that means that he didn't get fired. Now I'm stumped as to what the reading meant. He works tommorrow so I'll call then...but thought I'd throw this out for other ideas. Both lines talk about losing a dwelling place...or setting fire to something. It seems like a very strange answer to why he hasn't contacted me...yet....hexagram 56 does relate to travelling, inns etc. The only idea I have is that he lost the little card I gave him...and that he lost it there somewhere.

I asked "What did he do with that little card that had the email address on it?"

61.2.5.6 to 24

Strange.
 

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Hi Esolo,

When I first saw your post I thought that it meant that he talked with you and was friendly with you but was always aware that you were just traveling and he never thought seriously that he would call you and meet with you when he came to your city. Or he did think he would call you but when the time came he had no time and no need.

I think that happens a lot, you meet people while traveling or while they are traveling and you can say "I will call you when I come by" but perhaps you don't really mean it. Because when you do travel to that person's city you will already have your own agenda and will not have time to meet up with somebody who is virtually a stranger or who is just not in your original plans. 16 sounds like the enthusiasm of the moment "I will call you", 56 reflects the traveling, the temporary nature of the connection.

But now I'm also thinking that perhaps he just never made it to your city. He made plans but he just wasn't able to go. 16 would reflect his plans and 56, with those not so good lines, well maybe that there was no actual travel..

Your card? I think he has it somewhere, it's nice to have and he thinks he just might use it one day.

These are all just guesses, of course.. it will be interesting to find out what actually happened... :)
 

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When I first saw your post I thought that it meant that he talked with you and was friendly with you but was always aware that you were just traveling and he never thought seriously that he would call you and meet with you when he came to your city.

I thought of that as well, because I do that a lot. However, for some reason I actually thought he would call. I guess this was based on the fact that when I walked up to the desk he was looking at the airline's website and was telling me how much it was going to cost him. So I guess I'm leaning toward the view that he intended to go, but wasn't able to...and thus, no need to email me.

Yes, I'm incredibly curious now about what happened and I will call because I want his email address. He was a friendly guy and he'd be someone to have a cup of coffee with the next time I'm there. So, I think I'm going to go with something very simple like he just wasn't able to make it. Line 3 talks about how 'persisting is hard to do'. Line 6 could be about the fact that he was thinking too big. There wasn't any way he was actually able to do what he wanted.

I'm laughing at myself because now that I've made a big production out of this I'm nervous about calling. When I was making the call today it felt like I was calling up a guy that I like :)
 

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I asked "What did he do with that little card that had the email address on it?"

61.2.5.6 to 24

Hex 61.1 suggests that you should not rely on this person.

Hex 61.5 is about uniting people together but it all breaks down if the person is not sincere.

Hex 61.6 perhaps this guy was making promises/commitments that he either could not or would not keep.

Hex 24 return, but return to what? This hex says that people, this guy perhaps, did not travel during the winter months.

So was his talk about travel just empty words, and I would assume that he still has the card someplace but has not phoned because he ain't travelling. So does this mean the return of you understanding of the situation and how it all becomes clear to you(and us).
Food for thought anyway.
 

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"Both lines talk about losing a dwelling place"

Well, as he has not losted his job, has he moved to another apartment/home or whatever? It is kind of strange because both lines talk about him losing his resting place, at first I thought it was his job but I can only suppose it means what it says, his home? Trouble with the neighbours, line 3, perhaps?
 

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willowfox said:
"Both lines talk about losing a dwelling place"

Well, as he has not losted his job, has he moved to another apartment/home or whatever? It is kind of strange because both lines talk about him losing his resting place, at first I thought it was his job but I can only suppose it means what it says, his home? Trouble with the neighbours, line 3, perhaps?

Yes, that is very strange isn't it? And that was the reason why I haven't heard from him. Perhaps he has problems with his living situation (he's a student so I assume that his living situation is somewhat unstable) and that took precedence over any trips to foreign countries. Maybe he had to spend the money needed for travel on finding a new place. We'll see.
 

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Wondering why you are focusing so much on losing of the dwelling place cos don't forget he also loses the 'steadfastness of the young servant'. That could be taken pretty literally to say for whatever reason you have lost the loyalty of this person. he was in a sense a 'servant' to you at the hostel.

More often than not as I've said before asking what others are doing is a helluva long way round finding out what you need do within the relation with them. Most often i find the Yi just cuts straight back to you. Personally I think the Yis saying you lost this person
or will lose the connection. Whats more I get the feeling from 16 that this was a friendship enthusiastically started that just fizzles out, hence the 'loss of the servant'. This often does happen when we meet people away, say we'll keep in touch but don't. Not really meant as rejection, it just happens.

Ah well who knows maybe I'm wrong and he has indeed left - just giving my view.
 

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It's probably something like that Trojan. Why bother to keep in touch with someone you hardly know...who lives in another country? I just thought it would be interesting to ask the Yi about it. I will call though in order to get his email...and I'll let you know what happens.
 

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FInal update:

I made the call, got the email. It only took about a minute. He said that he wasn't able to because he had to work. I got the vibe though that he felt embarrassed or thought that I was upset. I wasn't at all. Like we've been saying....you meet people on vacation and you don't really expect much after that. However, I did feel a bit of nervous tension from him. Perhaps he thought that I was expecting him. OK so I asked the Yi,

How does he feel about my call today?

11.1 to 46

It sounds like he didn't mind my calling at all. Sounds like he rather liked it. Great. I will keep in touch with him and the next time I'm in that city I'll look him up.

Edited to add this: I just realized that the nuclear hex for both 11 and 46 is 54. What does this mean?
 
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The Reason

OK, I emailed him and got the reason he didn't email me:

He doesn't have a lot of money and the 'accommodation was too expensive'. So, going back to the initial reading....it was spot on...but we were looking elsewhere. He 'lost' his dwelling place because he wasn't able to afford it. His "inn burned down" and his "nest burned up" due to lack of funds.

Why didn't we think of this though? Sometimes that bothers me about the Yi. The answer is right there, very obvious, but not seen. It's only later that you end up slapping your head over missing what was in plain sight.

How did he feel when he received my email so soon? 8.5 to 2
I think I have a good friend in the making here, but one without a lot of money :)
 

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"He meddles in affairs and controversies that do not concern him; thus he loses his resting place."

I suppose this now means that he was making plans to travel when he knew that he could not afford the expensive accomodation, so he was in fact wasting his time talking and thinking about travelling. "Affairs that do not concern him", travel plans that will not happen, so "he loses his resting place", his hopes for a cheap hostel. 56.3 and 56.6 do indeed describe him as a "wanderer" but in actual fact he was only a potential "wanderer" who could not wander because of lack of money and has no finanacial supporters in his country to help him travel. All this nearly nearly loses his "young" servant's loyalty(you).

56.6 says that he was careless because he was making plans that would not happen, at first he was happy, became too enthusiastic, because he thought that he would be travelling but later this mood turns to sorrow because he is going no where, so he loses his "cow", I suppose his hopes. So this indeed is unfortunate for him.

Hex 8.5 > 2 you have attracted a new friend who is happy to hear from you.
 

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esolo said:
OK, I emailed him and got the reason he didn't email me:

He doesn't have a lot of money and the 'accommodation was too expensive'. So, going back to the initial reading....it was spot on...but we were looking elsewhere. He 'lost' his dwelling place because he wasn't able to afford it. His "inn burned down" and his "nest burned up" due to lack of funds.

Why didn't we think of this though? Sometimes that bothers me about the Yi. The answer is right there, very obvious, but not seen. It's only later that you end up slapping your head over missing what was in plain sight.

How did he feel when he received my email so soon? 8.5 to 2
I think I have a good friend in the making here, but one without a lot of money :)

Sorry I don't follow ? Do you mean he couldn't afford his rent so is homeless ? Otherwise what does being poor have to do with not emailing you ?
 
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Sorry I don't follow ? Do you mean he couldn't afford his rent so is homeless ? Otherwise what does being poor have to do with not emailing you ?

He said that he would email me IF he was coming to my city. I sort of thought that he would come and that I would hear from him. When I didn't get an email from him I asked why. I got 56.3.6. The problem was that he didn't have enough money for the hotel where I live. It's rather expensive here and he told me that his budget couldn't take it. So, everything is fine with his job and his living situation there. It was just too expensive for him to stay anywhere HERE...thus....he lost his 'nest' due to not having enough money to make the trip. So, the answer was spot on in that the reason was...no place to stay. Willowfox's last post sums it up I think.
 

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esolo said:
Why didn't we think of this though? Sometimes that bothers me about the Yi. The answer is right there, very obvious, but not seen. It's only later that you end up slapping your head over missing what was in plain sight.

How did he feel when he received my email so soon? 8.5 to 2
I think I have a good friend in the making here, but one without a lot of money :)

Sorry, I don't think it was the answer, i think you have made it into the answer you wanted which you could have done without the Yi, but if its your right answer who am I .....

What does 8,5 mean , to know if he wants to be with you allow him to come of his own free will, don't keep taking the initiative in contacting him, let him do it now and sit back.
You will never know how much interest he has in you if you don't allow him to come of his own accord. If you ask why he hasn't emailed etc he will always make an excuse which you will want to believe, so let him come to you and if he does then its good.
 
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Gosh, I don't think he thought I was pursuing him. It was all very innocent. If he did well, I have to agree with Willowfox that he thinks I'm doing it of my own free will. He isn't coercing me. Maybe he thinks I want to be caught :) Either way, I don't think it's a bad answer. No harm done.
 

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Certainly no harm done.
 

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