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I've been reading about 9.4, been going through the archives digging up about it and wanted to bring together what rings a bell to get a clearer picture.
here's what I've come up with so far:
Wilhelm
If you are sincere, blood vanishes and fear gives way.
No blame.
If one is in the difficult and responsible position of counselor to a powerful man, one should restrain him in such a way that right may prevail. Therin lies a danger so great that the threat of actual bloodshed may arise. Nonetheless, the power of disinterested truth is greater than all these obstacles. It carries such weight that the end is achieved, and all danger of bloodshed and all fear disappear.
Bradford:
Be true.
The bleeding stops, anxiety leaves.
No harm is done
Small, insignificant things like to blow themselves out of proportion (. . .). Then whole new perspectives are needed, larger frames of time or space, different light on the context.
Pocossin:
Coming to a decision will resolve the stress you are under. What you should do should accord with your inner nature.
Topal:
There's a sense of being almost detached, calmly doing what needs to be done and keeping a watchful eye on the ingredients in your cauldron
from 'Memorizing':
9.4
Sincere speech avoids bloodshed
You have the calmness and sincerity needed to dispel anxiety and the threat of conflict. A forceful approach is not appropriate at this time.
-Sorrell
Line 4
"One experiences an awesome and sudden change. If inner and outer are in accord, no harm."
with/from small-gaining (09) comes singlemindedness (01) (In pure yang you have to be 'in accord' ;-))
Chris
Where is this coming from? Consider 9.3 leading to 61.0 Inner Truth. When conciousness has touched Inner Truth, it then rises to the surface, past the boundry of the bottom trigram and into the relm of the upper trigram? So 9.4 represents this incredible awakening, like a dolphin leaping out of the sea. Note 9.4 leads to hex1, Awakening?
Rosada
There is confidence that bloodiness passes.
Leaving cautiousness behind is without fault.
This is a situation where one worries whether the troubles are finally over. They are, so one can stop being cautious. Cautiousness is a kind of restraint, and hex 9 is about
restraint, so this fits well with this hexagram's theme.
Ewald
ERANOS text for 9.4
Possessing conformity, (Yu Fu)
Blood departing, awe issuing-forth. (hsueh ch'u, T'i Ch'u (Different icon))
Without fault.
ideogram : stem with branches and leaves emerging.
Yu Fu = "inner and outer in accord; confidence ofthe spirits has been captured; sincere, truthful; proper to take action"
Hsueh = "yin fluid that maintains life, money, property" IOW the term 'blood' is a metaphor as well as taken literally. if you make your translations too literal you can introduce mis-interpretations in that the chinese symbols themselves are usually general
in form, context sensitive and so variations, metaphors, analogies etc.
Also with 9.4 where the upper man line of the centre is changing, now it's changing from wind into heaven. Now both trigrams are becoming heaven, both becoming metal. The trigram that is confronting you with your free will. The trigram of the autumn, where all aspects of the last year are coming to the surface, now you have the choice to choose what you want to take with you to next year.
Frank R
____________________
first question that comes up has to do with cautiousness -for some it is what holds together the whole thing, for others so long as one is coming from truth you can leave cautiousness in the backburner with your other anxieties. For Bradford it seems what is needed is broader vision and some healing time, not getting stuck to the small sharp details
and who is Wilhelm's 'powerful man'? is it someone confronted outside or one's own inner free will? . . does the stress concern an external restraining force or for the fact that a flower is more than a root with its stem or that only a small part of one's horizon can simply fit into that niche?
hmm . . it'd be great to read other people's views on this
I've been reading about 9.4, been going through the archives digging up about it and wanted to bring together what rings a bell to get a clearer picture.
here's what I've come up with so far:
Wilhelm
If you are sincere, blood vanishes and fear gives way.
No blame.
If one is in the difficult and responsible position of counselor to a powerful man, one should restrain him in such a way that right may prevail. Therin lies a danger so great that the threat of actual bloodshed may arise. Nonetheless, the power of disinterested truth is greater than all these obstacles. It carries such weight that the end is achieved, and all danger of bloodshed and all fear disappear.
Bradford:
Be true.
The bleeding stops, anxiety leaves.
No harm is done
Small, insignificant things like to blow themselves out of proportion (. . .). Then whole new perspectives are needed, larger frames of time or space, different light on the context.
Pocossin:
Coming to a decision will resolve the stress you are under. What you should do should accord with your inner nature.
Topal:
There's a sense of being almost detached, calmly doing what needs to be done and keeping a watchful eye on the ingredients in your cauldron
from 'Memorizing':
9.4
Sincere speech avoids bloodshed
You have the calmness and sincerity needed to dispel anxiety and the threat of conflict. A forceful approach is not appropriate at this time.
-Sorrell
Line 4
"One experiences an awesome and sudden change. If inner and outer are in accord, no harm."
with/from small-gaining (09) comes singlemindedness (01) (In pure yang you have to be 'in accord' ;-))
Chris
Where is this coming from? Consider 9.3 leading to 61.0 Inner Truth. When conciousness has touched Inner Truth, it then rises to the surface, past the boundry of the bottom trigram and into the relm of the upper trigram? So 9.4 represents this incredible awakening, like a dolphin leaping out of the sea. Note 9.4 leads to hex1, Awakening?
Rosada
There is confidence that bloodiness passes.
Leaving cautiousness behind is without fault.
This is a situation where one worries whether the troubles are finally over. They are, so one can stop being cautious. Cautiousness is a kind of restraint, and hex 9 is about
restraint, so this fits well with this hexagram's theme.
Ewald
ERANOS text for 9.4
Possessing conformity, (Yu Fu)
Blood departing, awe issuing-forth. (hsueh ch'u, T'i Ch'u (Different icon))
Without fault.
ideogram : stem with branches and leaves emerging.
Yu Fu = "inner and outer in accord; confidence ofthe spirits has been captured; sincere, truthful; proper to take action"
Hsueh = "yin fluid that maintains life, money, property" IOW the term 'blood' is a metaphor as well as taken literally. if you make your translations too literal you can introduce mis-interpretations in that the chinese symbols themselves are usually general
in form, context sensitive and so variations, metaphors, analogies etc.
Also with 9.4 where the upper man line of the centre is changing, now it's changing from wind into heaven. Now both trigrams are becoming heaven, both becoming metal. The trigram that is confronting you with your free will. The trigram of the autumn, where all aspects of the last year are coming to the surface, now you have the choice to choose what you want to take with you to next year.
Frank R
____________________
first question that comes up has to do with cautiousness -for some it is what holds together the whole thing, for others so long as one is coming from truth you can leave cautiousness in the backburner with your other anxieties. For Bradford it seems what is needed is broader vision and some healing time, not getting stuck to the small sharp details
and who is Wilhelm's 'powerful man'? is it someone confronted outside or one's own inner free will? . . does the stress concern an external restraining force or for the fact that a flower is more than a root with its stem or that only a small part of one's horizon can simply fit into that niche?
hmm . . it'd be great to read other people's views on this