Anti-Mask Movement: 64.3 to 50, 40 uc, and 42.1.6 to 8

[Fanofenka]

After cities and businesses are requiring customers to wear masks, there are people protesting the rule and we have seen anti-mask rallies. I think that these protesters will be the next ones to be affected by COVID-19 and die.

Why are there anti-maskers? 64.3 Not Yet Across (Before Completion) to 50 The Vessel (The Cauldron).
Hex 64: Not yet across, creating success. The small fox, almost across, Soaks its tail: No direction bears fruit. (Oracle) Fire dwells above stream: Not Yet Across. A noble one carefully differentiates between beings, so each finds its place. (Image)
Line 3: Not yet across. Setting out to bring order: pitfall. Fruitful to cross the great river.
Hex 50: The vessel. Creating success from the source. Good fortune. (Oracle) Above wood there is fire: the Vessel. A noble one sets the situation straight and consolidates her destiny. (Image)
64.3=The anti-maskers have yet to complete their goal.
50=Anti-maskers have a choice to make.

How will anti-maskers hinder the progress of defeating COVID-19? 40 uc Release (Deliverance).
Release. Fruitful in the southwest. With no place to go, To turn round and come back is good fortune. With a direction to go, Daybreak, good fortune. (Oracle) Thunder and rain do their work: Release. A noble one pardons transgressions and forgives crimes. (Image)
Is it saying that they will do what they want?

What will it take for the anti-mask movement to cease? 42.1.6 Increaseing to 8 Seeking Union (Holding Together).
Hex 42: Increasing, fruitful to have a direction to go. Fruitful to cross the great river. (Oracle) Wind and thunder: Increasing. A noble one sees improvement, and so she changes. When there is excess, she corrects it. (Image)
Line 1: Fruitful to use this to make great beginnings. From the source, good fortune, no mistake.
Line 6: Absolutely no increase in this, Maybe someone strikes this one. The heart's foundation is not lasting. Pitfall.
Hex 8: Seeking union, good fortune. At the origin of oracle consultation, From the source, ever-flowing constancy. No mistake. Not at rest, coming on all sides. For the latecomer, pitfall. (Oracle) Above earth is the stream: Seeking Union. The ancient kings founded countless cities for relationship with all the feudal lords. (Image)
42.1=The movement needs to gain more followers.
42.6=The government will have to monitor the crowds.
8=The anti-maskers will work with others.

 

[Freedda]

Why are there anti-maskers? 64.3 Not Yet Across (Before Completion) to 50 The Vessel (The Cauldron).

[Answer?]
64.3 = The anti-maskers have yet to complete their goal. 50 = Anti-maskers have a choice to make.

You keep asking these highly-charged political questions, but at least in this case, you don't seem to be taking the time to provide answers.

The fact that 'Anti-maskers have yet to complete there goal and/or still having a choice to make' doesn't at all answer the question, why they exist! And if you're not going to even make a stab at an answer - I ask myself, why should I?

I mean, why do you exist? Is it because you have a goal you still need to complete? Or is it because you have a choice you still need to make? Or perhaps both?

Or do you only exist to pose these high-charged political questions - based on your own political beliefs - and the goal is not really to find any answers? Nor to further participate in the discussions?

Your 'interpretation' seem like a completely acceptable asnwer, IF I were looking at this from a purely karmic viewpoint; e.g we are all here because we still have to complete our karmic journey and/or because we have some choices to make along the way that will affect that journey.

But this can be so universally applied, that it makes your interpretation not at all helpful to me - at least regarding your specific, extremely political question.

 

[Freedda]

How will anti-maskers hinder the progress of defeating COVID-19? 40 uc Release (Deliverance).

[Answerer:]
Is it saying that they will do what they want?

Or, ... is 40 uc saying that:

* the anti-maskers will deliver us from the hoax that mask are in any way useful - and if they are quick about it (to be prompt is promising),

* they will deliver us from the overall hoax that COVID even exists! And that ...

* this 'return' to a hoax-free world (sans masks and COVID), will be promising.

I mean, if I'm going to respond to an overtly-political (and perhaps biased) question, that seems as good an answer as any!

 

[Fanofenka]

Fredda, are you saying that asking biased questions won't help me understand the situation?

 

[Freedda]

Fredda, are you saying that asking biased questions won't help me understand the situation?

Well, it's not so much that your questions are biased (thought it seems like they often are), it's more that you almost always come up with answers that match what you want the answers to be - so it more about biased answers or interpretation.

It's about not paying attention to the Yi's answer, or coming up with biased answers which match our own already-held opinions. Or, in the example I gave above, if you don't even interpret the Yi's response as an answer - but as just a statement which doesn't really address your query.

So, you end up with questions and answers like:

Q. why did the evil non-maskers cross the road? A. because they had places to go and things they had to finish up! or ....

Q. what will it take to stop the evil non-maskers from crossing the road? A. their movement needs to gain more followers, the government will have to monitor the crowds, and the anti-maskers will work with others???​

That all seems a bit nonsensical to me, and don't really get any 'understanding' from it.

But as we say here in the good ol' USA, it's a free country - and you can ask questions and answer them however you want to, or as I understand the Yi's response to the situation ...

- at least until the 'cancel culture' lefty Biden fascists are back in charge, and they take away our guns, our right to free speech - and our Constitutional right to not wear masks!

Or at least that's what my tarot-reading psychic friend told me!

 

[EmMacha]

I think they are interesting questions, this pandemic experience* is bringing profound and lasting changes to human cultures and how we live our daily lives; but of course Yi tells us how to balance within our own Tao, & doesn't necessarily answer to enlighten about the motivations of others (unless this is instructive to us and allows us to dismiss this concern for the motivations of other people to continue in our own Tao).

Yi was written and collated across Eras, through wars, famines, the tyrannies, empires, and huge cultural and sociopolitical changes; Yi doesn't actually care about these things, well, they seem to me to be "weather" to Yi, but it will advise you when to retreat, or hide, when to organise yourself, when to get to work, when to rest, when to follow & how to follow etc. Yi advises you how to adjust yourself & your being to change around you, how to continue in your own Tao, and how to stay in "meaning", in a meaningful cognitive attitude.

Why are there anti-maskers?
64.3 Not Yet Across (Before Completion) to 50 The Vessel (The Cauldron).

Line 3: Not yet across. Setting out to bring order: pitfall. Fruitful to cross the great river.

Perhaps this means that it's a situation in process, and that you won't make sense of it, don't try?

Or that there is no order to this, it's chaotic?

Or that it is a chaotic response to defend something precious to people?

Or that you haven't refined the question enough?

Perhaps also it could mean that they aren't one organised group, that the question is chaotic and ill conceived; you need to look up and see the great river you need to cross yourself?
A better question could be
"How do I approach or deal with others who refuse to wear masks?"

64.3=The anti-maskers have yet to complete their goal.
50=Anti-maskers have a choice to make.

I really don't know where you get these answers from, esp. Hexagram 50! Is not really about choices at all, it is more about the container for carrying something, or being the precious vessel yourself (I mean, how your refine your attitude and thinking o be able to contemplate and hold wisdom).

One could interpret it also as that they are resisting the imposition of order
"crossing the great river" just reminds me of how people marching through city streets look like a river.

Images from Asian countries where everyone wears masks & downloads the tracking apps and appears to comply with restrictions could also be "the river".

They are making masks or face coverings mandatory inside bigger shops here in Ireland; this could also be the "great river"; countries, businesses gradually joining the flow, learning from Asian countries who have dealth with SARS previously.

Funny though, your words here caused me to think about how not wearing masks serves those who would like to have facial recognition software everywhere (inside cctv cameras, in those advert tv displays etc).
This is funny, as prior to pandemic days, wearing facial coverings or brimmed / peaked hats to avoid intrusive surveillance in public places was becoming increasingly difficult.

Line 3 as an answer, however, doesn't point at any conspiracy really, but just that perhaps it's a chaotic culture producing a chaotic response to the profound changes this pandemic experience brings to humanity.


*whether its SARS-COVID19 or another pathogen, we were "due" a pandemic of some sort; we in the "western world" really weren't prepared, though we should have been. There could be worse pathogens within the last remaining rainforests or hiding in the melting ice.

 

[EmMacha]

BTW I am a tarot reading psychic, is how I earn my living! I don't use I-Ching to predict anything, but for personal questions & to further my own Tao.

How will anti-maskers hinder the progress of defeating COVID-19? 40 uc Release (Deliverance).
Release. Fruitful in the southwest. With no place to go, To turn round and come back is good fortune. With a direction to go, Daybreak, good fortune. (Oracle) Thunder and rain do their work: Release. A noble one pardons transgressions and forgives crimes. (Image)
Is it saying that they will do what they want?

I think this is advising you to stop focusing on those who do not wear masks in public and their rhetoric.
"A noble one pardons transgressions and forgives crimes"

A psychologist once told me: 'Where attention goes, energy flows'; you don't need your head and energy full of the rantings of covidiots!

Another way to look at it is to "practice allowing"... a way of not allowing yourself to get wound up by the seeming actions of others, of returning to a mindful state, balancing into your Tao

Feeling Overwhelmed? Try the RAIN Meditation

You can take your time and explore the RAIN meditation as a stand-alone practice or move through the steps in a more abbreviated way whenever challenging emotions arise.

www.mindful.org

"Thunder and rain do their work: Release"

Ask yourself what the release is here? Thunder and rain are processes, natural processes, albiet dramatic.
I think it says that dissenting people will always be out there, (haha these people love to complain & love attention &air time); this storm will never end, so 'forgive' the transgressions and Release yourself from it

 

[EmMacha]

What will it take for the anti-mask movement to cease? 42.1.6 Increaseing to 8 Seeking Union (Holding Together).

Usually, with hexagram 8, you inquire again?

Line 1: Fruitful to use this to make great beginnings. From the source, good fortune, no mistake.

Line 6: Absolutely no increase in this, Maybe someone strikes this one. The heart's foundation is not lasting. Pitfall.

Hmm, something worthwhile for you to consider in the question, something else is a complete pitfall for you, not good for your heart

The ones who won't wear masks were protesting something else before the masks & will join with the next facebook researched quasi scientific thing as the non mask issue becomes unfashionable... so we'll have 'B1ll gAtes vaCcin4tion chip s0rOs 5G m4sk reþTi∫e pEoPle Gµn Fr$$dom l€ftY Commies made me Obese!'

This circus never ends, but you don't have to participate or watch. Again, these people love attention and airtime

I have often noticed that when you get line 1 and line 6 in a casting, you 'fly' through the energy of the hexagram quite fast, it is as if the questing has already moved beyond the question before the casting is complete.

8 as relating also says: cast again, you are already asking a new question

 

[EmMacha]

Just to say, I am not saying that the behaviour of the covidiots is right, I am not condoning it, or dismissing the justified fear, anger and frustration of health care workers, those who have lost loved ones to Covid19, or those who are vulnerable.

More on 64.3 » 50:
You could interpret it as a process underway and a chaotic response, but that this disease has not yet run it's course.

Look at the 'Spanish Flu' epidemic:

1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Everything you need to know about the flu illness, including symptoms, treatment and prevention.

www.cdc.gov

Interesting that mask wearing was MANDATORY in most western US states: https://www.history.com/.amp/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance

I think hexagram 50 is advising to protect yourself and your precious vessel (your thoughts and emotions*, and your immune system)... wash hands, physically distance, perhaps use disposable masks outdoors & carry sealable plastic bags to dispose of them?

Better not to use gloves, certain bacteria grow better on gloves than on our skin (again 50, mind your precious vessel, don't drop the sacred ladle!)

I think in all these casts, Yi is saying that you must find a way to release yourself and stay in inner peace, despite these dangers... this is the "Chun Tzu" or path of the sage.
I think Yi is saying that this storm is already underway & will continue until it's done, there is nothing you an do about that except stay safe & keep your loved ones safe


* change what you are looking at & reading online /offline maybe? Media is sensationalist in order to elicit emotive reactions & sell content, articles, advertising, or to push political / social agendas. We all need media diets from time to time!

(I have been using the pandemic time to binge watch CARTA anthropogenic research videos on YouTube... it's fascinating... did you know that bubonic plague was around during the neolithic?)

 

[Valmar33]

You keep asking these highly-charged political questions, but at least in this case, you don't seem to be taking the time to provide answers.

The fact that 'Anti-maskers have yet to complete there goal and/or still having a choice to make' doesn't at all answer the question, why they exist! And if you're not going to even make a stab at an answer - I ask myself, why should I?

I mean, why do you exist? Is it because you have a goal you still need to complete? Or is it because you have a choice you still need to make? Or perhaps both?

Or do you only exist to pose these high-charged political questions - based on your own political beliefs - and the goal is not really to find any answers? Nor to further participate in the discussions?

Your 'interpretation' seem like a completely acceptable asnwer, IF I were looking at this from a purely karmic viewpoint; e.g we are all here because we still have to complete our karmic journey and/or because we have some choices to make along the way that will affect that journey.

But this can be so universally applied, that it makes your interpretation not at all helpful to me - at least regarding your specific, extremely political question.

I agree, Freedda.

The fact that this individual asks so many highly charged divisive questions, with equally charged answers, makes me feel most uncomfortable.

Are they here merely to stir the pot? To stroke the flames? To create conflict?

That's the vibe I get, and I find it rather toxic, honestly.

Their interpretations don't even seem to match the I Ching's answers...

They're just reading into the answers what they want to see...

 

[Trojina]

Yes, I mean it's nearly everyday we have these threads and fof doesn't really reply or put much into understanding them and frankly he can get answers to most of the things he posts by just thinking for a while or reading.


But I don't think there's any bad intent, I think he's a college student living at home who just likes posting this stuff here all the time for some reason. Should anyone reprimand me for talking about fof as if he weren't here, I may as well because whatever anyone says to him, and plenty has been said in the past, he just goes on and on posting these threads and doesn't answer directly to people's issues with it, that's why I'm talking about him not to him.

I think enough is enough, it's tiresome, however he isn't breaking rules so nothing can be done. I think it would be a good idea if fof really wants to discuss these issues that he posts he could do so in Open Space since a more honest straight forward political discussion could take place...


If people just stopped answering maybe these threads would dwindle away.

 

[Freedda]

The fact that this individual asks so many highly charged divisive questions, with equally charged answers, makes me feel most uncomforta

I don't read any I'll-intent here. Nor would i call it toxic (though I feel that some response might be). And I've seen this 'reading into the answers' done often, about a wide range of subjects, romance for instance.

And of course, we all have the option to participate or not.

And maybe the answer is more participation, not less. I like it when people are willing to converse and communicate about their readings - regardless of my opinon about the quality of their questions or interpretations. The author, Isabel Allende once said: 'Show up, show up, show up, and after a while the muse shows up, too' ...

... so, I'd encourage Fanofenka - and all of us - to continue to 'show up', hopefully in an engaged way.

all the best ...