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Hello! I'm not sure where best to post these ideas, so here I am...

I use the archives frequently after casting a reading and keep thinking that it would be an enormous project but also so helpful if there could be:

1. Some sort of tag for "resolved" threads where the querent returned to share the outcome (or threads where the outcome is already shared).

2. A space to simply share our "resolved" readings without necessarily seeking advice so that others searching the archives can easily find them. Or people could respond with their "resolved" experiences of the exact same reading (not unlike Trojina's unchanging hexgrams threads).

3. An encouraged format for subject lines of posts. (I'm not sure if I missed this in one of the stickies.) Formatting titles as question/inquiry + the hexagram cast would be very useful when scanning the archives, I think. (Is this a good idea? 59.2>20).

If something like this already exists, please let me know!
 

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Hello! I'm not sure where best to post these ideas, so here I am...

The only person who could do any of this is Hilary, the site owner, and she doesn't always see every thread here so to get her attention I can tag her @hilary;, because CC members can tag one another.

If not in CC you can send her a private message.


There's nothing wrong with posting your suggestions here it's just as Hilary is the only person who could action any of them there's no point in it being here unless she sees it. I've got the idea she has a very long 'to do' list but you never know, there's no harm in suggesting things.

I use the archives frequently after casting a reading and keep thinking that it would be an enormous project but also so helpful if there could be:

1. Some sort of tag for "resolved" threads where the querent returned to share the outcome (or threads where the outcome is already shared).

You mean to save time clicking all those links where the querent never returned to say what happened ?

Yes, perhaps another way to reduce more of such 'unresolved' threads happening is possibly for people to be made more aware it is an expectation. However I don't know how, it is already stated, well asked for, in the sticky 'How to post a reading' and if I notice someone just keeps posting new threads and not going back to previous ones I point it out but that's about it really, can't do much more than that.

2. A space to simply share our "resolved" readings without necessarily seeking advice so that others searching the archives can easily find them. Or people could respond with their "resolved" experiences of the exact same reading (not unlike Trojina's unchanging hexgrams threads).

Ah well I think what you describe here is a bit like WikiWing...will link https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/shop/wikiwing/ It costs next to nothing on it's own or as part of CC membership and it's a fast growing collaborative book of experiences, ideas and includes Hilary's translation and commentary and much more besides. Any member can add to it.

However WikiWing doesn't allow one to put in a reading and find the exact same reading as the hexagram search does.

3. An encouraged format for subject lines of posts. (I'm not sure if I missed this in one of the stickies.) Formatting titles as question/inquiry + the hexagram cast would be very useful when scanning the archives, I think. (Is this a good idea? 59.2>20).


Maybe useful for searching the archives but remember people aren't posting threads with the idea of being useful for the archives so not sure on what basis/reason they would be being encouraged.

Also would probably have limited success as people are encouraged to post their own views of their reading, encouraged to write the change lines in, encouraged to return to threads for feedback etc but often don't.


If something like this already exists, please let me know!


I can only think of Wiki, there might be some other technical tricks others use when accessing the archives ?
 

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IMO, the sentiment Trojina shared is right on. I'm pretty confident people don't read the stickies and don't know there is an expectation to follow up. I'm confident of this because I'm guilty of all the things Trojina mentioned: I didn't share the outcome until WAY after, I didn't read the stickies telling me how to properly use the shared readings forum, and I didn't even consider how my readings could help others.

I believe your only option is to keep a reading journal and maybe to find a friend who does the same. Maybe you can compile your readings and share results. I live out in west Texas; not much chance of that for me lol.
 

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IMO, the sentiment Trojina shared is right on. I'm pretty confident people don't read the stickies and don't know there is an expectation to follow up. I'm confident of this because I'm guilty of all the things Trojina mentioned: I didn't share the outcome until WAY after, I didn't read the stickies telling me how to properly use the shared readings forum, and I didn't even consider how my readings could help others.


Interesting. So how did you see the Shared Readings section ? Do you mean you saw it simply as a sort of free help with readings platform ? I'm genuinely interested that's not a veiled dig by the way.


What I'm getting at is what did you think the overall purpose of the Shared Readings section was ? Who would benefit from it ? I mean who would benefit from the responses to queries except the querent themselves ? If it was only the querent themselves it would be like a charity of some kind except charities do get money and Shared Readings only possibly indirectly makes money for the site. I don't know about that side of things of course, I'm just wondering. Also charities benefit a group of people. The Clarity archives do of course benefit groups of people and there is a 'donate' button to show appreciation and keep the site operational. But Clarity is not quite a charity it's Hilary's business.

So Clarity is Hilary's business with the free forums as places to give and receive help/discuss etc for no cost. For those who respond regularly in SR of course there is the cost of time and energy which is willingly given because people are interested to engage with others readings BUT the flip side is the wastage of those passing through who don't even go back to their threads to say 'thanks I will think about that'. I have to say I have no comprehension of the psychology of that behaviour. Where else in life do people just take what they want and walk off with no benefit to anyone but themselves ?

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I didn't share the outcome until WAY after,


I think it's understandable people can't always share outcomes straight away, they simply may not know yet. So I don't think we would always expect an immediate report of an outcome of a reading. But what is expected is to return to the thread following responses and give feedback of some kind, you know to say how the person related to the interpretation offered, say thanks, disagree, whatever. Sometimes people not only don't do this they start new threads with the idea presumably that more will be doled out to them. :confused:

I literally cannot think of anywhere else in life this would happen ? Other internet forums I guess but this isn't like many other internet forums. We are together compiling a huge archive of knowledge here and there is a sense of a shared project and a shared goal of a kind. Looking at the UC threads people just keep going back to share their casts :bows: WikiWing is a shared project. Also I think those who respond regularly don't see Clarity as just any old internet forum, it's far more 37 than that. As it's so 37 and.... 45 the number of threads in the archives with no feedback/updates seems well at odds with that, wasteful....something.

Of course I cannot be too idealistic, that will happen on any internet forum, even happens when people pay. I don't see any way around it exactly except perhaps a little bit of a culture shift in SR...although I think most people do very kindly give feedback and update so I mustn't focus too much on those who don't.


I believe your only option is to keep a reading journal and maybe to find a friend who does the same. Maybe you can compile your readings and share results. I live out in west Texas; not much chance of that for me lol.


Well there's this that can compile and find your readings for you and find you every instance of where you got that line before and so on https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/journal-software/
 
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I'm not completely sure how I saw the shared readings section at the time. And I believe the reason for that is the same as why I didn't do all that other stuff. I was absurdly stressed out and desperate. At the time, I only went to the shared readings section as a way to get help with my reading. In spite of the lack of awareness back then, I'm certain I didn't view this website as a business at that time.
Going back to the problem of how others view this forum, I think that part of the problem is what I mentioned above about stress. People seem to come to shared readings for help about important issues. I don't see many unimportant readings (questions that have little impact on the querent or that are nonsensical).
I had forgotten about the resonance journal. Thanks for reminding me. That sounds like a great resource as well.
 

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Hello! I'm not sure where best to post these ideas, so here I am...
Hello!

Thank you, @Trojina;, for tagging me. I wouldn't have found this thread otherwise.
I use the archives frequently after casting a reading and keep thinking that it would be an enormous project but also so helpful if there could be:

1. Some sort of tag for "resolved" threads where the querent returned to share the outcome (or threads where the outcome is already shared).
Well... you can already add tags to threads, so you could create a 'resolved' tag and start adding it to threads that have this kind of useful feedback.

If anyone does start this ball rolling, I'll do what I can to spread the word via the email newsletter etc. (And everyone who posts regularly can spread news about something like this through the forum by adding it to their signature.)

As you can see on the tag cloud page, we have never really got into using the 'tags' function here. But the technology is there. (The only thing we don't have the technology for is to combine tags with the hexagram search.)

2. A space to simply share our "resolved" readings without necessarily seeking advice so that others searching the archives can easily find them. Or people could respond with their "resolved" experiences of the exact same reading (not unlike Trojina's unchanging hexgrams threads).
Like Trojina said, this is WikiWing. It solves all the logistical problems you get from trying to do this kind of thing on a forum thread.
3. An encouraged format for subject lines of posts. (I'm not sure if I missed this in one of the stickies.) Formatting titles as question/inquiry + the hexagram cast would be very useful when scanning the archives, I think. (Is this a good idea? 59.2>20).
Ahh... that's a good idea. Let me find a sticky where I can add it.

I'm not completely sure how I saw the shared readings section at the time. And I believe the reason for that is the same as why I didn't do all that other stuff. I was absurdly stressed out and desperate. At the time, I only went to the shared readings section as a way to get help with my reading. In spite of the lack of awareness back then, I'm certain I didn't view this website as a business at that time.
Going back to the problem of how others view this forum, I think that part of the problem is what I mentioned above about stress. People seem to come to shared readings for help about important issues. I don't see many unimportant readings (questions that have little impact on the querent or that are nonsensical).
Thank you for this - I'm sure you're right that this is how/why most people approach the forum. When you overwhelmingly need help with something important, there definitely isn't the mental space for 'Oh, I wonder what title format would make this post more valuable to the archives?' let alone 'Hm, I wonder how Clarity pays the web hosting bill?'

Can I ask a question to get some more insight into that 'need help with the reading now' moment?

Why the free forum?
Why not an I Ching chat?

OK... one is free, the other isn't - I can see that would make a difference ;) . Is that the only reason?

I had forgotten about the resonance journal. Thanks for reminding me. That sounds like a great resource as well.
Well, I think so :) .
 

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