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Are you free at the weekend?

When would you like to have the next gathering?

  • Saturday 20th

    Votes: 7 26.9%
  • Sunday 21st

    Votes: 14 53.8%
  • In January some time

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • Total voters
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bamboo

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Kevin, while you were there, you came in loud and strong, and I loved what you were saying. It was all quite interesting. I am quite excited about the possibility of mastermind groups, and the time seems right for it. Very interesting to me that recently I have been feeling like I need to deepen my understanding after so many years of personal shorthand, as I have expressed to others. The dimensions of understanding expand as there is personal input and sharing of thoughts, and as always, or maybe not as always, so interesting to sense that personal connectedness is so apparent and synchronistic. To me it feels like I was taking a graduate course today....and having light bulbs go off around ideas that I'd known, but which felt new to me again.

I was looking at the ritsema karcher concordance as we talked....they termed Dui as Open......and it seemed an occasion of openhearted harmony and joy........with sincerity in all the speakers.

after wards I was in my car listening to a CD by MOna Lisa Shulz, medical intuitive, and synchronistically, she was talking about communication, and how real sincere communication has to come from a place of "uncool" because when we are real, the heart opens, and what comes out is of a kind of vulnerable nature....not "cool" but uncool... when the heart opens, there is the possibilty of communicating deeply and more authentically than one might otherwise have done....it is not always comfortable to feel uncool, ie awkward, but it makes for the most enriching interchange. So I am thinking that the 58 reading encourages making personal change real by opening the heart to others. regrets vanish when your words are sincere/from the heart.

I learned that a long time ago, that when your words match what is in your heart, no matter what it is, then there is release for you, and a sense of connection in others who sense your sincerity, which in turn opens their own heart. So many of the lines emphasize this truth...3 says something to the effect that if you speak only to be pleasing to others, as we may be tempted to, the sincerity is lost.

dont know how much sense I am making to others;)but to me, the Yi's mandate in 58, seems a very apropos foundation to the kind and nature of the groups we can work in from her. the emphasis on OPen

my heart was open today, but i guess i was afeard of sounding uncool, lol. i felt like the young fool in hex 4
 

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had we decided to dispense with the guided imagery?? I thought Kevinwas going to lead one...bt then his pc shut down:confused:I waould have loved a guided imagery exercise to take us into the open heart individually and call forth the expression from there
 

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Kevin, while you were there, you came in loud and strong, and I loved what you were saying. It was all quite interesting. I am quite excited about the possibility of mastermind groups, and the time seems right for it. Very interesting to me that recently I have been feeling like I need to deepen my understanding after so many years of personal shorthand, as I have expressed to others.

I'm curious as to what a 'mastermind group' is ? I could google it but I'm wondering what you think it is ? To me 'mastermind' was a 70s board game and a TV quiz show ?
 

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So I am thinking that the 58 reading encourages making personal change real by opening the heart to others. regrets vanish when your words are sincere/from the heart.

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I wasn't in the meeting so....not sure what kind of change you mean when you say real change comes from opening the heart. When I stopped smoking I just did it without talking of it to anyone...there were plenty willing to take my money to tell me how to stop smoking...as if there were any other way than me stopping putting them in my mouth and lighting them. Similarly book shops groan under the weight of unsold remainders of books entitled 'How to Change' Its a vast and rather uselesss industry that sells people the idea that there is actually any other way to lose weight than eat less and exersize more, that theres another sort of back door easier way to give up smoking than er stopping smoking....they're selling thin air, something seductive in that they tap into peoples idea that there really is some magic psychological trick that will let them bypass the sheer grit and determination needed to actually make real personal change...but by change here I'm talking of habits, eating, smoking, drinking etc etc...perhaps its another kind of change that was discussed in the meeting ..?

Just ranting but thinking of Hilarys question about how to lose weight....well of all the people who ever lost weight including myself inner resolution and motivation is all thats needed. That might for some people involve gathering in a group and talking about weight (58 ?) though for others that wouldn't be helpful at all.

So I'm interested to hear how 58 was applied to the question ? 'Personal change comes through sharing with others' Is that the consensus so far ? Can it be that when the most profound changes come from periods of solitude, inner resolve and reflection ? What would you, anyone, those who attended, say the core of the message of 58 was in relation to the question ?
 
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Trojan,

neither I did attend the meeting unfortunately.
But 58 I can well imagine. Any kind of knowledge is developed by reflection, any kind of thought is developed by communication and reflection, and when we smile to eachother in the process because of recognition that proces of reflections is becoming more durable and from the heart. heart-mind are connected, and when that happens we smile.
So, thinking and imagination is develped by an internalization-process. When we grow up we not only learn to reflect with others, but also learn to do it in our own mind by imagening what the others are saying or thinking about it. That is thinking, a process learned by projection and correcting projections.
And when we are so fortunate to meet others that truely reflect, a synergethic process develops.

By the way, you also needed a lot of thinking and a whole process of internalization to find out that quitting an addiction is some thing you have to do yourself, in the end it is a moral descision (does it hurt or does it further or heal?). I'm sure you know about the psychology behind it because of books, in other words: reflection. Because of the thoughts in the books you knew where to reflect on, where to get feedback from your "self". By the way, a self only develops because there are others, because we reflect and smile.

Solitude, inner resolve and reflection can olly contribute to development because of others. What's the use of a mountain-retreat when there are no others to teach the experience afterwerd? Thinking and reflection develop in time. A process of transformation and feedback develops in time. We develop in time, you develop in time, what I think about you develops in time, what you think about me develops in time. A gua develops in time (perhaps except hex 2).
lake surface reflects, like metal, a mirror.
 
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Jilt says it beauifully, Trojan!

and NO, the consensus was NOT that opening the heart makes for real change, but I was expressing my own feelings about it. I have always been a real do it yourselfer, as it sounds that you are, but I have begun to see that sometimes that dead-ends, for reasons that seem to be implied by Jilt. Somehow, connection with others allows for a FLOW that one doesnt achieve all on one's own. There's a big difference between using a group to go and commiserate about weight , for instance, and the kind of heart opening I was talking about.
Personal commitment is key to change of course.
Group/ social contact has the power to lift us out of a mindset almost by magic.

A mastermind group notion was made popular by Napoleon Hill in his book Think and Grow Rich. In short, a mastermind group _dedicated only to positive principles and mutual support -multiplies many times your personal power.
 

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A mastermind group notion was made popular by Napoleon Hill in his book Think and Grow Rich. In short, a mastermind group _dedicated only to positive principles and mutual support -multiplies many times your personal power.

I see thanks (sounds dreadful :mischief:)
 
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do you mean..."BAH, HUMBUG!" ?


Yes ! You're Psychic :eek: I was just about to log in precisely to post 'Bah Humbug' here as i do each xmas...really :rofl:


BAH HUMBUG Unbridled positivity with no shadowy places for a valuable doubt or two to hide sounds like a ghastly landscape of group denial to me :rant:

Just kidding...sorta ;)
 

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there is always plenty of room for doubt in anyone's conciousness. I dont need naysayers from the outside chiming in on that, I can generate my own own! something like the same principle is found in the concept of group brainstorming....no criticism of ideas is permitted, because it wetblankets the process
a group which supports you doesnt increase your capacity for denial, in fact it rather holds you accountable for making change when change is due.
but it is not for everyone, I agree. there have been times in my life when i had to stay away from people, even well-meaning ones, in order to generate my own power for change. at other times, such as in group meditations, I benefit greatly from the power of the group.

btw, I love walking around the mall to be inspired by the clothing worn.....I get great ideas for my own wardrobe. just like I do when i read magazines. I could never come up with the same ideas sitting alone in my room.
 

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sunday, i suppose...

hi there,

i'd be interested in calling in. i have skype, and am open on times, but went with sunday since most people seem keen on that.

thanks, hilary, and all who make this forum happen.

wishing you all joy and peace in the coming year,

gillian
 

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Hi Gillian,

Sorry to say you missed this one - we met up before Christmas. And even sorrier to say that the planned recording didn't happen. (It turns out that the recording software identifies the call with the first connection it makes - so when that person ends the connection, the whole recording stops. Grmph...)

I imagine you've arrived here now because you just saw the link in the emailed blog update? Those are just sent automatically every couple of posts, whenever the posts are; for more timely notification of live events, you need to sign up for Friends' Notes.
 

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