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Good morning,
I have been pretty much estranged from all of my family for close to 20 years having had particularly awful relationship with my mother. I tried to resolve the relationship issues I had with my mother for many years but in the end I had to let it go because all I did was hurt myself in the hope that things would get resolved but they never did. Over 50 years ago I came to Australia as a newborn baby with my parents and two older siblings. Fast forward to the present and I need to prove that I'm an Australian citizen to secure a government job. I became an Australian citizen under my father because I was under 15 at the time. My father has full blown dementia and is in care 24/7. My mother is 90 and lives in assisted care but there's nothing wrong with her health wise and she lives an independent life. My mother has the citizenship papers I need but any attempt to get a copy of these papers from her has been thwarted and she just won't give me a copy. My son, who she has a good relationship with has tried at least 3 times and the carers at the facility that she lives in have also tried to no avail. I have become quite distressed as I pretty much need this job to survive. She's been told that.
 
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Not able to edit so will continue with it here.....What do I need to know about why my mother won't give me a copy of the papers
hexagram 23.3.6>15
Stripping away - that's true I feel like she always tried to strip away my identity and force me to be who she wanted me to be and I feel now she's trying to stop me identifying myself as an Australian. Line 3 - yes it's brought up all the old hurts she caused but that's not surprising considering the present situation.I forgave her a long time ago and although I find it sad it is what it is.....I cannot change the relationship I can only change how I live my life despite it. Line 6 - I'm not so sure about except I'm happy to just receive the papers and keep on moving forward, well to be honest I can't actually move forward with this job until I do. Does she want me to stop moving forward in my life? I had another thought and wonder if there's a secret that will be revealed re the papers and that's why she's holding backI asked Show me a picture of a secret re this situation Hexagram 14.1> 50 thanks
 
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Over 50 years ago I came to Australia as a newborn baby with my parents and two older siblings. Fast forward to the present and I need to prove that I'm an Australian citizen to secure a government job. I became an Australian citizen under my father because I was under 15 at the time. My father has full blown dementia and is in care 24/7. My mother is 90 and lives in assisted care but there's nothing wrong with her health wise and she lives an independent life. My mother has the citizenship papers I need but any attempt to get a copy of these papers from her has been thwarted and she just won't give me a copy. My son, who she has a good relationship with has tried at least 3 times and the carers at the facility that she lives in have also tried to no avail. I have become quite distressed as I pretty much need this job to survive. She's been told that.


...with you so far. BTW there is form where you can report these forum problems so Hilary can fix them. I wish everyone that encountered forum issues with editing or posting would fill out the form so it can be rectified. She cannot tell what is wrong unless users tell her. I will link.

Maybe moderators would also start posting this link because otherwise individuals end up thinking it is only them who cannot use the forum - and it is not going to get fixed if people don't submit these forms, if it's not too late at least. Oh the link has gone maybe it is too late

What do I need to know about why my mother won't give me a copy of the papers
hexagram 23.3.6>15
Stripping away - that's true I feel like she always tried to strip away my identity and force me to be who she wanted me to be and I feel now she's trying to stop me identifying myself as an Australian. Line 3 - yes it's brought up all the old hurts she caused but that's not surprising considering the present situation.I forgave her a long time ago and although I find it sad it is what it is.....I cannot change the relationship I can only change how I live my life despite it. Line 6 - I'm not so sure about except I'm happy to just receive the papers and keep on moving forward, well to be honest I can't actually move forward with this job until I do. Does she want me to stop moving forward in my life? I had another thought and wonder if there's a secret that will be revealed re the papers and that's why she's holding backI asked Show me a picture of a secret re this situation Hexagram 14.1> 50 thanks


It's a great answer that should hearten you a great deal. Why she won't isn't really so much what the answer deals with - it's kind of not your problem why she won't - you need to get on with your life regardless of her shadows.


The answer talks of breaking with people in line 3 and then beginning a whole new chapter in line 6. As a direct answer it does sound like someone putting the past behind them but that is no excuse for not giving you your papers.


But 15 is highly practical and I think you can find a way around this. This reading doesn't show you stymied or blocked, even though effectively you are. I wonder why ?


You see I half suspect Yi has leap frogged your actual question and is saying

(my 'translation' of the answer)

" you aren't wrong to split with her, that's good and you can make a whole new transition without her co operation. You must focus far less on her and why she does this and far more on how you can practically move forward yourself - because you can. 15 asks you to focus squarely on what can and cannot reasonably be done. You can make a massive shift here (line 6) as long as you don't get caught up in trying to change things that can't be changed. It's like you can actually leave that whole land, that country of where she, the Queen holds your papers. You can move on"



However I know that will sound unrealistic given you do have a need for the papers and yet Yi is giving this answer that shows by totally letting go of the old you really can move to a new world where her and the papers is just a bad fairy story.


I may sound naïve, sure I do, but is there a way you can negotiate with the company/authorities ? Surely many people lose their papers - is it worth seeking advice on how others got round this ?
 

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Hello Becalm,
This is certainly a tough situation.
I am playing around with trying to think what the I Ching might be trying to tell you that we haven't even considered yet. I'm wondering what that 14.1 - 50 "secret" might be? Have you asked the I Ching how it would be for you to actually take this job? 14.1 warns about not having connection with anything that is harmful. That could mean interacting with your mother for even the most mundane purposes should be avoided, but maybe it means don't have anything to do with this job. Maybe it would be totally unsuitable for you, maybe by not giving you these papers your Mother is somehow unconsciously helping you dodge a bullet!
Another thought that occurs to me is that while we first consult the I Ching for mundane problems and are delighted when the hexagrams we receive quickly and easily guide us to find the lost car keys or heal squabbles with the neighbors, it seems as if once we have stepped on this path of enhanced awareness we can no longer view our lives through the old lens. Thus while you may be asking the I Ching to help you get your citizenship papers so you can get this job, the I Ching maybe guiding you to view life from a higher perspective. A normal response to your situation is to think, "I must get this job," but now that you have been introduced to the I Ching you may be being shown there are alternatives or the right attitude to hold to be guided to get this job or to find the right job. So you might ask the I Ching, "What do I need to do?" or some other questions. Not sure...
Good luck!
 
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Thankyou Trojina (it won't let me reply with quote either) yes I did report the editing issues and good you let other members know too on here.What you've said here -You see I half suspect Yi has leap frogged your actual question and is saying(my 'translation' of the answer)" you aren't wrong to split with her, that's good and you can make a whole new transition without her co operation. You must focus far less on her and why she does this and far more on how you can practically move forward yourself - because you can. 15 asks you to focus squarely on what can and cannot reasonably be done. You can make a massive shift here (line 6) as long as you don't get caught up in trying to change things that can't be changed. It's like you can actually leave that whole land, that country of where she, the Queen holds your papers. You can move on"Makes perfect sense to me and that's exactly how I feel about it. I certainly wouldn't be bothering if the papers weren't needed but I decided when I woke up this morning I just need to let it all go and look at my job situation differently (not sure how yet!) but after a month of this rubbish there's obviously something 'more' to see.PS I have typed this up so it's easy to read but it still may well run the text into each other
 
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Thankyou rosada - not sure re the job being harmful, I already volunteer there teaching knitting and was encouraged to apply as a paid worker which is when all this rubbish started although I did go with your suggestion and ask....What do I need to know about this job offer - Hexagram 48 I'm not that great with unchanging Hexagrams although to my mind this answer says the job is a useful, never ending resource.....well actually I would be to them too as my broad experience isn't often found (so I've heard).
 

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Have you become acquainted with the "Unchanging Threads" over in the Exploring Divination area? They discuss the meanings and experiences people have had with unchanging hexagrams.
Anyway, The Judgement for The Well does note that if the rope is not long enough the bucket will not reach the water. Perhaps this is manifesting in your frustrations getting the connection with the paper work and stating the obvious - saying if you don't have it, you can't get the job.
Hmm, I wonder if the path to getting the paperwork is some very significant Final Lesson or Test you must pass to synchronize with the new situation, vibration. So while it may a appear a no brainer and thus very frustrating that Mom won't come through, perhaps it should be viewed as more than that. Something where you have to have Jedi Focus or something, or special meditation, or I don't know, but something that causes your perspective to shift or be enlarged or something. Like you learn The Ways of Government, or How to Get Power of Attorney, or How to Schmooze Mom. How about asking "how can I get the paper work?"
 
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Thanks rosada - In my birth chart my Chiron sits in the 4th house in Aquarian family dysfunction (possibly with the mother) I never 'fitted in' to my family and I guess they saw me as rebellious. At present my Chiron is transitting in the 5th house in Aries and my South Node is in Aquarius in the 4th House.....not that I know much about Astrology really but enough for your words "I wonder if the path to getting the paperwork is some very significant Final Lesson or Test you must pass to synchronize with the new situation, vibration." to make a lot of sense to me. The problem I'm having is what that Final Lesson or Test might be, but somehow I do think it ties into the fact that my mother is seemingly controlling this situation although the frustrating part is that without that paperwork I can't get the job so it's got nothing (that I can work out) to do with my self-worth or hold over me (because she not longer does). A tangible thing like paperwork is a whole other dynamics isn't it!!How can I get hold of the paperwork I need - Hexagram 58 unchanging - keep communicating is all I can get from this answer by being open, perhaps get a mediator but I have done that as well...
 
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I still can't edit so.....anyway I've found a new avenue, a mediator who may be able to help me, so will see if that ends up a reflection of Hexagram 58 unchanging.
 
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Well I got the papers.....from mum via my sister (who I haven't seen or spoken to for probably 25 years). Mum sent a copy of the papers to my sister's email, who then sent them to my son's email who then sent them to me. Who knows what the delay was about except that I learnt I had well and truly moved on as Trojina's interpretation of my original reading suggested. Yay!!!
 

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Well I got the papers.....from mum via my sister (who I haven't seen or spoken to for probably 25 years). Mum sent a copy of the papers to my sister's email, who then sent them to my son's email who then sent them to me. Who knows what the delay was about except that I learnt I had well and truly moved on as Trojina's interpretation of my original reading suggested. Yay!!!


Good News ! Especially good as it had seemed there was no hope to get the papers.

Happy for you



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(be a great example for the 58uc thread if you ever feel inclined - 58uc 'keep communicating')
 

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