Authentic Progress

[moss elk]

Auntie M. had a freeloading user of a boyfriend.
He lived off of her for years, never paying rent or paying for food. She directly told him to leave on many occassions.
He would just look at her and not say anything, until she tired herself out in protestation. Granted, she never called the police, but tried many other tactics to get rid of him.
The man had no shame or dignity.

She exploded in anger one day after finding some heroin in his belongings. He was away from the apartment, and she called him screaming that he would never be allowed in her home again. She had someone bring him his belongings, so he would have no excuse to come to her home again.

I talked with her a few days after these events and she wondered if he was going to try to weasle his way back into her home. I did a reading about it, got: 53.5.6 (15)

Authentic Progress.
line 5: it took her years, but she finally did it.
line 6: the relationship was over.

I congratulated her and told her all she had to do now was keep her door locked. She was very happy, saying this man had been like a lead weight around her neck.
He's been gone for three weeks now (the prior longest was two days.) ,
and she has been on a few dates with an old flame.

 

[equinox]

Authentic Progress.
line 5: it took her years, but she finally did it.
line 6: the relationship was over.

I congratulated her and told her all she had to do now was keep her door locked. She was very happy, saying this man had been like a lead weight around her neck.
He's been gone for three weeks now,
and she has been on a few dates with an old flame.

Interesting. Could it also be that the I-Ching refers to two different relationships at the same time here?
Line 6 describing the fact that she is released of that relationship with this boyfriend now...
Line 5 indicating that there will be a relationship established between her and her old flame.
?

 

[moss elk]

Interesting. Could it also be that the I-Ching refers to two different relationships at the same time here?
Line 6 describing the fact that she is released of that relationship with this boyfriend now...
Line 5 indicating that there will be a relationship established between her and her old flame.
?

Could be, but I tend to think it is about something that actually took her years to accomplish. (getting rid of the guy.)

 

[equinox]

Okay, if this is your gut feeling -- I guess you can trust on the well established conversation with the Yi that you have as I assume.
But I am really curious here, theoretically it could even be that this line 53.5 is refering to both events, what do you think? One line speaking of two developements at the same time? Or is this going too far?
I like that topic, recently I even opened a thread about the possibility of one result refering to two or more situations...

 

[moss elk]

But I am really curious here, theoretically it could even be that this line 53.5 is refering to both events, what do you think? One line speaking of two developements at the same time? Or is this going too far?
I like that topic, recently I even opened a thread about the possibility of one result refering to two or more situations...

Frankly, I think that is a good way to make onself dizzy.

Theoretically, anything is possible. Ok sure.
But theory lives in our heads.
Actuality does not.

 

[rosada]

53.5 Although she cared for - literally took care of - this man for many years it was a fruitless effort. Then the time was up, he disappeared, got written out of the script, whatever, and this old flame reappears as if to revitalize her, remind of who she was before she got caught up with the confused one. It's wonderful. She's got her old self back. Nothing can stop her now!
53.6 The line doesn't say whether she and the old flame will stay together but suggests she is at a point now where she can choose more consciously how to conduct her life.
Consider how Hexagram 53.6 leads to 54. The Marrying Maiden - There is an inclination to follow a partner, to put herself under a partner's control (54) and so before doing that here at 53.6 she can take a moment to pause and consider and choose to only follow someone of a very high character. Hopefully this old flame is such a man but even if he is, she should stay alert and not repeat the old habit, not follow him blindly.
I think this line expresses the concern that the former lover will return and the I Ching is saying that she is not fated to have to deal with him again but that she still has the inborn tendency to follow a partner. First she turned her life over to a bad man, now she may be turning it over to a good one. She needs to stay awake, stay in control!

15. Modesty seems to me to be a very positive omen for her being able to continue on her path without further difficulty. The only other way I would read this would be that if the ex were to appear she would be able to handle it.

 

[moss elk]

pssst,
the reading wasn't about the old flame.
(I need to post less info in my stories,
as I've noticed over the years that people can latch on to non-primary details.)

Focus, Chingers!


equinox, wow I read as a jerk-face sometimes! Sorry about that.
(I stand by the comment about the need for focus and to avoid dizziness.)

 

[equinox]

@Moss Elk

No problem at all
It doesn't make me dizzy to think like that, still I like your pragmatical approach on readings as well.

pssst,
the reading wasn't about the old flame.
(I need to post less info in my stories,
as I've noticed over the years that people can latch on to non-primary details.)

Focus, Chingers!

That's probably not a matter of misguided concentration, but a question of perception. What you regard as an unimportant detail may be crucial for others. Just as well you could take the diversity of perspectives as a source of inspiration.

@rosada

How do you make the connection with hexagram 54 here?

 

[rosada]

I'm looking at the sequence. 53. Courtship leads to 54 Marriage.
53.6 is the last line of the courtship hexagram, a last chance to negotiate the contract before it becomes final and - 54 - there can be no more changes. (The Marrying Maiden is without power and can only follow along the prescribed path. )
I think of the idea that our physical experience here is already something we previously "agreed to" before birth. 53.6 then representing being in that high vibration where it's all spirit and the negotiating happens and then 54 being the manifestation of the agreements we made on the spirit plane.. (aside - I think 54 gets a bad rep for being powerless. I've seen it manifest as a good thing as in being taken care of - like being picked up at the airport in a strange city and you don't need to do anything, you're in good hands, don't try to give directions, just get in the cab and let someone else drive.) Anyway, getting 53.6 in this reading about whether the woman's ex will reappear suggests to me she is at a choice point where she can create a new experience for herself and a warning that while the ex may not come back the tendency to give too much of her power over to another could still be a problem. So I'm seeing 53.5, 53.6 - 15 as saying, "she had a hard time getting her act together but finally she did and because she is able to see from a higher perspective how she'd gotten bogged down in that whole drama and now she has an opportunity to move on and hopefully not create a similar experience with the next guy."
So in answer to the original question, Will the ex try to get back in?" I'm seeing the lines as saying it depends on her ability to negotiate her independence and most likely he will not - he knows how opposed she is and she also has a new friend - but if he does she has the ability to - 15 - just keep moving along her path.

 

[equinox]

Ah okay, I understand. You mean that the next hex after 53 is 54 and 53 is terminating here, right?
I was thinking of the relating hexagram 39. Thank you.