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Another question that's bothering me about the same person I just posted about. A few days ago we had a slight disagreement. I was in a bad mood, so I told him exactly what I was thinking, which was that he made me feel I wasn't important to him, or that's how I felt. His response was that of course I was important to him, that I was probably his best friend.
Well, this was surprising that he said this. And was nice and reassuring for a short while, except that I don't believe it, and it hurts not to believe it because he is the most sincere person I know. I keep thinking that maybe he later regretted saying it, or maybe we just have a different understanding of friendship.

I asked the IC to comment on what he meant by it:
8.1.5 > 24

The turning point suggests to me that maybe he wasn't sincere at the time he said it.

The next day I asked: Can I rely on his words?
24.6 > 27
Again the turning point, this time as the starting hex. Again, this suggests that at some point he has changed his mind about me, or maybe had a delayed reaction to our disagreement or whatever it was.

Another question I asked was: Where do I fit into his life?
19.4.6 > 38

Sorry for so many questions. I'm just putting them out there in case anyone has experience of similar readings.
 

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Another question I asked was: Where do I fit into his life?
19.4.6 > 38

You seem to know him from work because 19.4.6 looks like you are an overseer or a supervisor of some kind, while he is the boss. 19.4 says that you are the perfect overseer or supervisor or foreman, something like that. And the top line indicates being magnanimous and attentive. But when you asked the question, you were feeling rather estranged, which is indicated by that hex 38, which is in accord with what you said about the recent disagreement or the recent uncomfortable feelings.

About what he said about you being his 'best friend,' I think you should just take it with a grain of salt, because it's a little misleading.
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Another question that's bothering me about the same person I just posted about. A few days ago we had a slight disagreement. I was in a bad mood, so I told him exactly what I was thinking, which was that he made me feel I wasn't important to him, or that's how I felt. His response was that of course I was important to him, that I was probably his best friend.
Well, this was surprising that he said this. And was nice and reassuring for a short while, except that I don't believe it, and it hurts not to believe it because he is the most sincere person I know. I keep thinking that maybe he later regretted saying it, or maybe we just have a different understanding of friendship.

I asked the IC to comment on what he meant by it:
8.1.5 > 24

The turning point suggests to me that maybe he wasn't sincere at the time he said it.

The next day I asked: Can I rely on his words?
24.6 > 27
Again the turning point, this time as the starting hex. Again, this suggests that at some point he has changed his mind about me, or maybe had a delayed reaction to our disagreement or whatever it was.

Another question I asked was: Where do I fit into his life?
19.4.6 > 38

Sorry for so many questions. I'm just putting them out there in case anyone has experience of similar readings.

At a glance I'd say you were your own worse enemy here.

The question 'what does he mean by this' is a poor question......but heck the answer shows he meant what he said and he leaves it open for you to choose his friendship or not (8.5.) If estranged from anything its your own centre (hex 24) its yourself who doesn't know what she means

I cannot for the life of me think why you would say hex 24 means he did not mean what he said.... :confused: where did you get that idea from ? when since did 24 mean insincerity ? Have you got some very crap I Ching books ?

These answers tell you to get your act together and decide to trust him because as your next answer shows if you hang about you are just too late. You asked "can i rely on his words' and got 24.6. Well the 8.1.5>24 did say his words were genuine....but you are still asking the same question...so if you keep asking you are going to lose this anyway

Again you seem to think 24 means he changed his mind :confused: no idea why. It is you who is having the delayed response not him....so you need to decide to trust him or not. You won't get anywhere by repeatedly asking Yi the same question


you ask 'where do i fit into his life' ? you obviously may see things differently (hex 38) or are unable to see things from his POV. You could just allow it to develop, encourage it even is what 19 says to me.

Overall looks to me you are impeding the development of this relationship not him
 

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although 'best friend' might not be what you want....exactly...if thats all hes offering and you want more
 

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ginnie said:
You seem to know him from work because 19.4.6 looks like you are an overseer or a supervisor of some kind, while he is the boss. 19.4 says that you are the perfect overseer or supervisor or foreman, something like that. And the top line indicates being magnanimous and attentive. But when you asked the question, you were feeling rather estranged, which is indicated by that hex 38, which is in accord with what you said about the recent disagreement or the recent uncomfortable feelings.
It's pretty close. I'll be doing some work for him in a few weeks, or we've talked about it. And yeah I was expecting opposition. Or I was concerned that the only reason for his friendship was because of what I can do for him work-wise. Or maybe that's how it is currently. It's constantly changing though, so I guess I just wanted a snapshot of what I meant to him at the time I asked the question.

About what he said about you being his 'best friend,' I think you should just take it with a grain of salt, because it's a little misleading. :)
Yeah I see what you mean. It was just that I didn't make him say it like that, or pressure him to compare me to his other friends or anything like that. It was just something he said himself. Maybe to make me feel better. But yeah you're right, I shouldn't read too much into it. I was just curious, but now I've had time to think about it and put in perspective. Thanks for your help :)
 

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trojan said:
At a glance I'd say you were your own worse enemy here.

The question 'what does he mean by this' is a poor question......but heck the answer shows he meant what he said and he leaves it open for you to choose his friendship or not (8.5.) If estranged from anything its your own centre (hex 24) its yourself who doesn't know what she means
This is really interesting. I wouldn't have thought to read 24 that way. But I admit that I haven't studied in depth enough, so I guess this is why I asked here.

I cannot for the life of me think why you would say hex 24 means he did not mean what he said.... where did you get that idea from ? when since did 24 mean insincerity ? Have you got some very crap I Ching books ?
Because the question was his point of view, I thought it meant a turning back or turning inward, implying a turning away from something(me in this case). But I guess I need to read more about that hex.

These answers tell you to get your act together and decide to trust him because as your next answer shows if you hang about you are just too late. You asked "can i rely on his words' and got 24.6. Well the 8.1.5>24 did say his words were genuine....but you are still asking the same question...so if you keep asking you are going to lose this anyway

Again you seem to think 24 means he changed his mind no idea why. It is you who is having the delayed response not him....so you need to decide to trust him or not. You won't get anywhere by repeatedly asking Yi the same question
It's just really interesting that these readings show the changes taking place, as you point out. So maybe I was wrong to read 24.6 as describing something that had already passed. Maybe it was a warning of what was about to happen. So I've taken your advice to trust him and to trust the situation more. Thanks :)

you ask 'where do i fit into his life' ? you obviously may see things differently (hex 38) or are unable to see things from his POV. You could just allow it to develop, encourage it even is what 19 says to me.
When I asked this question, I wasn't looking for advice on a course of action. I was just looking for 'a snapshot', an objective picture of the situation(if this is even possible!). But again, this is an interesting take you have on the result. I read somewhere that 19 can indicate something 'insubstantial'. Or maybe it just indicates openmindedness or something like this... So it's not a negative result then at least :)
 

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although 'best friend' might not be what you want....exactly...if thats all hes offering and you want more
I don't think of it like that. And like I said earlier, the 'best friend' terminology was his own. It wasn't something I discussed with him or pressured him into saying what I meant to him etc. It's true though that there's a danger of me becoming too emotionally involved. I like him a lot, and I need to step back a bit sometimes. I know this.
 

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