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Here in Ukiah, Calif the grocery stores have designated 7a.m.-9a.m. as a shopping time for seniors who are said to be more vulnerable to the virus so perhaps that fits with the " sorting the clans and differentiating between beings" and then of course the quarantining of anyone who tests positive.
 

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What happened during the past viral infections- the Spanish Flu included- was that the mutations made the virus stronger to some point, then weakened it. Then the disease wasn't as dangerous as before. That's what to be expected empirically.
How will this coronavirus situation be like by May? Hexagram 55.4.5>63
A hidden solution is to be discovered/developed, and recognized.

When will this coronavirus situation end?
Hexagram 26.5>9
The cast shows a dangerous situation becoming pretty harmless; what needed to be widely restrained being easily controlled.
My first guess is when the virus is mutated into its milder forms; but can also be when we become immune to the virus by other ways such as vaccination- and maybe herd immunity.

But since I've also cast 25.5 for this situation maybe the virus will peak at certain point and just die out.
Yeah, seems like the natural virus behavior I pointed at the first line of this post.

We've never had to confront such an upheaval to our comforts in our lifetimes (at least not me as a millenial) but our ancestors dealt with these kinds of things all the time.
That's what I think about a lot these days. My grand-father was a child during the Spanish Flu. He had explained to my father how the pandemic killed people besides famine and other infections. Many older people have survived several wars, pandemics, natural disasters, etc. Up to less than a century ago, the majority of people around the world faced incident after incident & had to really struggle for their lives. They witnessed the physical suffering, the death much more than us. Many lost family members at a young age.
Such an upheaval is too strange for our generation. While the fear has its own benefits, sometimes we panic too hard, too soon.
 
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the Spanish Flu included- was that the mutations made the virus stronger to some point, then weakened it. Then the disease wasn't as dangerous as before. That's what to be expected empirically

Mary, the Spanish Flu in 1918 killed between 17 to 50 million people. They didn't have the science to fight it back then. They basically had no choice but to continue dying. To allow people to keep dying nowadays is nothing short of genocide. Nowadays we have the World Health Organisation, who have very specific instructions on how to combat viruses. They have successfully combatted Ebola, for example, also SARS, MERS, smallpox. There's countless hard-facts evidence in Asian countries on exactly how to curb such disasters and control them before they get out of hand.

Thus, it's 100% unacceptable, for any "civilised" country, to allow its citizens to die in their thousands, just because they don't want to make the effort to prevent such disasters. Anyone, ANYONE, who believes allowing thousands to die is ok, is severely unwell in their head.
 

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@diamanda I never said that the pandemic control should be assigned to the virus mutations. I was talking about the virus behavior and the fact that after some point it doesn't become more dangerous, but the contrary.

What the governments and individuals should do to contain it is another story. We do what we can, the rest is out of our control.
Thus, it's 100% unacceptable, for any "civilised" country, to allow its citizens to die in their thousands, just because they don't want to make the effort to prevent such disasters. Anyone, ANYONE, who believes allowing thousands to die is ok, is severely unwell in their head.
No one in this thread said such a thing.
Sorry, but you seem to be attacking others for the thing they haven't said just because they have a less panicked tone than you.
 
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Any country which has not followed the tried-and-tested guidelines (test test test, isolate all carriers immediately, trace all contacts, isolate them too, continuous border checks) has criminally and unforgivably failed. There's no excuse. We don't "do what we can", that's BS. The guidelines were there, the info was there, the alerts were there since late December. There's no excuse.
 

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Any country which has not followed the tried-and-tested guidelines (test test test, isolate all carriers immediately, trace all contacts, isolate them too, continuous border checks) has criminally and unforgivably failed. There's no excuse. We don't "do what we can", that's BS. The guidelines were there, the info was there, the alerts were there since late December. There's no excuse.
The guidelines, the quarantine, any other health strategy is "what we can do".
 
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Ok, so you tell me which country in the west has applied the tried-and-tested guidelines. You tell me which western country has acted fast and swift, to immediately trace and isolate.
 

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Where did I defend the governments' reaction on the pandemic?!?!

You are putting words in our mouths. I no longer argue over what I haven't said.
 
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When will this coronavirus situation end?
Hexagram 26.5>
Tusks of a gelded board, ominous but harmless. Seems to tie into the antiviral outcome rather than a vaccine? A castrated boar doesn't make me think of a vaccine, rather a drug that interferes with the replication process.. Or the virus just naturally dies out somehow. But since I've also cast 25.5 for this situation maybe the virus will peak at certain point and just die out. 25.5 seems to point to an external condition causing pain to innocent people and eventually resolving itself on its own.

Saw this recently. This lab discovered a way to manufacture antibodies for the virus. So instead of extracting antibodies from a recovered person, rather they create the antibody protein in a lab that can become mass-produced as a therapeutic. Basically skipping over the need for a vaccine. Made me think of 26.5. Hoping it works out.
 

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And I listened to a video of a Kabbalist, Michael Laitman. He said - or maybe better to say: I understood him saying - that the corona virus may teach us to stay connected in our hearts. We can and should be physically at a distance, but we can and have to be close to each other, even via video chat, and that it might change our lifes towards more understanding and harmony, and the more we feel that, the less powerful this virus would be, or other virusses. I don't remember his arguments exactly, as he speaks very slowly in this video, and it is a translation. It made me think of this reading!
 

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I'm seeing alot of stuff from conspiracy theorist types lately, I can't say I 100% believe this but they say that it's not the virus itself, but the new communications towers, aka non-ionizing radiation and people in harmony in the wild or crossing a river would possibly talk of grounding such energies. Actually it reminds me of a music video I saw recently, Disillusioned by A Perfect Circle, interesting message

Regardless, EMF has been proven not good for you, 3 feet from devices is better
 
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And I've read about this communication towers (G5) theory as well. It has been brought out by the followers of Rudolf Steiner, also known as "Anthroposophists". Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925) said that the Spanish flue of 1919 was caused by electricity or so, and now, hundred years later, his followers updated this opinion of their master and created this new theory and spread it out.

What is the true cause of this corona virus? There are plenty of other intersting theories around as well. For example: God's punishment; some devil, ghost or demon; homosexual marriage; unfaithful married couples and sexual libertinage; capitalism; globalisation; Barack Obama; some secret service from the United States, China or Israel. And I'm sure there are many, many other ideas!

What's the point?
 

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And don't forget a certain president recently said that "the sound of windmills causes cancer."
 

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Well I should revise my 13 interpretation a tad. The best way to deal with covid-19?
Union of forces in the open - means we're all in this together. Everyone does their part, and we all all work together. That's pretty much what has been happening on the leadership level in the US, a team effort across party lines.
The IHME model has a new date of May1 in the US for no new corona virus deaths, and total deaths estimate has been revised down to 61,000. A couple years ago Flu deaths were 61,000. In hardest hit NY State, it appears we may have peaked or are a couple days from it.
If all this holds, it will show as the Yi predicted the measures being taken would be enough to defeat the virus. There was and is a lot going on though.

- LL
 

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Lots of non-reading-related posts from here have been moved to Open Space under 'Coronavirus (continued)'.
 

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(This is the thread about 13.)
13 UN is the hex I had about whether having that horrible housemate living with us, worst possible choice I ever made in my life!! I shan't forget!!!

Olga Super Star said:
13 UN is the hex I had about whether having that horrible housemate living with us, worst possible choice I ever made in my life!! I shan't forget!!!
I think this thread has solved that, Olga. (Way too late, of course 😭 ) Somewhere up above someone, I believe M.E. / Elm Sauce / whatever-funny-moniker-he's-going-by-these-days pointed out 13 says fellowship in the wilds, which is different from 37, People in the Home.

So what you unfortunately lived through was a fine demonstration of the wilds stuffed under one roof. :hug:
 

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Interesting.
(This is the thread about 13.)



I think this thread has solved that, Olga. (Way too late, of course 😭 ) Somewhere up above someone, I believe M.E. / Elm Sauce / whatever-funny-moniker-he's-going-by-these-days pointed out 13 says fellowship in the wilds, which is different from 37, People in the Home.

So what you unfortunately lived through was a fine demonstration of the wilds stuffed under one roof. :hug:
Ah, I have missed out on that.
But how do you relate the fellowship in the wilds with asking about the best way to fight coronavirus?

Could it be:
13, differentiating
who is staying and who is not

I had the same result asking about an earthquake where many people died.
And I threw my housemate out the door.
In both cases, someone's staying, someone's not. And with coronavirus is the same.

Could it make any sense?
 

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how do you relate the fellowship in the wilds with asking about the best way to fight coronavirus?
This whole thread is about that. People have had numerous ideas.

I don't know how to relate 13 to an earthquake. Do you remember your question? Maybe if Yi was describing the earthquake itself it might mean the plates under the earth working out how to co-exist with each other. (Causing mayhem and destruction up here on the surface, but they don't know about that.)
 

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Fellowship in the wilds. Maybe referring to how we keep our distance from others while out walking but we still smile (behind masks) and wave!
 

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I don't know how to relate 13 to an earthquake. Do you remember your question?
Soon after the earthquake, I asked what that was. I thought it was a great idea to understand Mr Ching's language, since I know what an earthquake is, I was curious to know the word in Ching's language ;)

That housemate of mine literally created an earthquake in the house, pushing out a lady who had been living there for 10 years! Me, you know what happened. Nothing was as before.

So Covid could be causing an earthquake between people and States: China and America, European countries are diverging a lot.. A little earthquake here too.
 

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Fellowship in the wilds. Maybe referring to how we keep our distance from others while out walking but we still smile (behind masks) and wave!
What does in the wilds really mean? I get the idea of someone walking into an abandoned forest or something like that.
 

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Hilary says this in her book: "beyond the familiar boundaries that usually define the limits of ‘people like us’. This means radically expanding the whole idea of who ‘we’ are."

In the wilds you could meet anyone, and you may not have anything in common or have the same goals or ideas.

13's nuclear hexgram is 44 :||||| . That single yin line at the bottom - if I remember what I just read the other day in a thread, probably from Hilary - is the opening where 44's disruptive influences can creep in. So in 13-ish situations there'll probably be the seed of that potential or tension, and yet you try to create harmony. (As you found out, sometimes that doesn't work and 44 busts out all over.)
 

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Hilary says this in her book: "beyond the familiar boundaries that usually define the limits of ‘people like us’.
Interesting.

In an earthquake, you have to go beyond the familiar as you find yourself sharing a big experience with all sort of people. Same for coronavirus.
 

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