Birth Chart

[becalm]

I am wondering, for those who understand in depth Astrology, if whatever is set in your birth chart is how your relationships, finances etc. will be.

Eg. My 7th House tells me I will have partners who are addicted to substances. My (ex) husband was and is still an functioning alcoholic and uses other substances. For the most part any other man I've met since are mainly functioning alcoholics as was my father, or are toxic as in abusive in some way.
About a month ago, after 12 years of being on my own albeit dating now and then, I went on a date with a guy and we had a nice connection, similar lifestyles including both being vegetarian BUT he was a functioning alcoholic and pot head just like my ex husband so I kicked him to the curb!!!

Thanks for your insight.

 

[moss elk]

hi becalm,

I have extensive experience with alcohol,
tended bar, and have several generations of Tavern owners in family. I was a heavy drinker starting at age 15,
I no longer drink and life is much better now in every way.

Alcohol is a toxin (poison)
It makes people rot while they still live,
the body, mind, heart, character, spirit...etc
It makes people violent, causes & exacerbates mental illness.

The Mongols beat a drum and made everyone drink, the vikings, pirates, and almost every Empire in history (maybe with the exception of Ottoman) supplied their soldiers with booze to keep them working. (killing)
That guy in 36.6 was said to have gone from exceptional to insane & evil & overthrown from it.

You are not predestined to be with an alcoholic, only predisposed to it,
and let your guard down around it.
(and unfortunately live in a culture where you are surrounded by it)

Take this advice from an ex bartender...
If you smell booze.... walk away.
It is really that simple.

You can choose different,
but you have to make the choice.
There are plenty of good people who don't drink.
(And yes, I know some of you readers drink in moderation,
If you can do it, kudos to you. I just have a certain perspective.)

 

[IrfanK]

From my own experience and that of others, I'd say if you grow up around alcoholics, you're most likely to go one of two ways -- either follow in their footsteps, or total abstinence. Maybe there are a few in that category who can do some kind of healthy relationship with alcohol, but I can't remember meeting anyone who did it and sustained it long term. But those are still two choices. Personally, the second one seems like the right one to me. If you're predisposed to some sort of codependent relationship with alcohol, you may have to be more vigilant. But you've still got choices.

 

[becalm]

Thanks - being predisposed to it is one thing for sure. I chose to walk away from the only man who I loved and the only person who ever loved me unconditionally because of what the substance abuse did to our relationship not him, he was the same person in essence as when I met him but long term use of substances certainly changed him re his behaviours and his ability to relate to anyone. Very sad.
So I choose not to be with anyone that has obvious issues with alcohol or any other substance.
As you say it's in our culture in a big way so I'm going to guess I'll never meet anyone who doesn't have a problem. I'm not keen on non-drinkers (no offence Moss Elk I don't personally know you) because I don't want to deal with that either. I've been out with a few and found they still had some toxic behaviour. It's one thing to give up the addiction another to deal with the demons that created the addiction in the first place.
IrfanK - I am one of 5 children - 3 are functioning alcoholics, I'm a moderate drinker as is my younger brother. My 3 children who were brought up with an alcoholic father, all are moderate drinkers which I'm thankful for because I did worry about that for quite a few years after we divorced. Might be because we divorced before they were of drinking age, not sure but they saw what it did to us as a family and exhusband is now in a volatile, domestic violent relationship and has been since we split so I think, fortunately, lessons learned for them.

 

[Gmulii]

I am wondering, for those who understand in depth Astrology, if whatever is set in your birth chart is how your relationships, finances etc. will be.

Eg. My 7th House tells me I will have partners who are addicted to substances. My (ex) husband was and is still an functioning alcoholic and uses other substances. For the most part any other man I've met since are mainly functioning alcoholics as was my father, or are toxic as in abusive in some way.
About a month ago, after 12 years of being on my own albeit dating now and then, I went on a date with a guy and we had a nice connection, similar lifestyles including both being vegetarian BUT he was a functioning alcoholic and pot head just like my ex husband so I kicked him to the curb!!!

Thanks for your insight.

There are ways to change it, but need to use systems that may be out of reach for most people(as needs to work with what we call "karmic boards" and while many spiritual systems start to work with them at some point, to do it right away could be difficult). You may not be able to fully change it even then, however.
The way I currently understand it, there are parts of it that if we have learn enough from, we can choose to let go of, but we can't change randomly, the influence/images needs to have played their role enough. Also need to be very good at reading what it means, so you know what will it change into.

There are ways to adjust to it, however. Will post a story from forums more related to the Chinese systems, but as I have mention before in my view the systems are so compatible(Chinese astrology in bazi and western one) that I do think that they may have been one large system long time ago.

It uses Chinese elements and terminology, but I think the general idea is easy enough to get, without knowing bazi.

Yuan was among a number of diviners who made predictions about their own fate.

In his "Ming Li Tan Yuan" text, he wrote that he was born of Wood, but surrounded in four directions by Metal from the year, month, day and hour of birth. Wood would require Water to make it grow and strengthen it while dissipating Metal at the same time, or more Wood to support it. Alternatively or concurrently, Fire could be there to suppress the Metal.

His prediction was that in the year 1931, upon reaching age of 50, the Metal year would become a menace to his life and end his career. Before the time came, he wound up his lucrative practice and withdrew from public life to a tiny island at Zhenjiang in Jiangsu province.

The fated day passed without incident. Yuan then re-emerged and started his business once again. Nobody criticized him for not dying on the appointed day; instead he became more famous than before for being able to avert calamity by surrounding himself with Water on an island to guard against the force of Metal.

Its from here:

Everything under the sun according to elements (Bazi)

Everything under the sun according to elements (Bazi)

fivearts.info

Short answer - changing it permanently may be out of reach for most people, but if we understand the influence/images well enough, we can step on them and make changes, so we work "around" them somewhat.

 

[becalm]

Short answer - changing it permanently may be out of reach for most people, but if we understand the influence/images well enough, we can step on them and make changes, so we work "around" them somewhat.

Super interesting read Gmulii - thank you!! I figure whatever we're here for, with what's in our chart, are lessons/karma we have to overcome and the influences keep coming into our lives until we 'get it'.
The interaction with this recent guy didn't last long thank goodness and I wasn't going to try and make it work like I've done in the past. Still frustrating though to meet someone that I've a lot in common with but then there's the substance abuse.....hence my post.
I'm getting some Kinesiology tomorrow to help shift some energy at least.

 

[Gmulii]

Super interesting read Gmulii - thank you!! I figure whatever we're here for, with what's in our chart, are lessons/karma we have to overcome and the influences keep coming into our lives until we 'get it'.

I fully agree, yea. Lessons we learn.

 

[becalm]

I went to the Kinesiology and she talked about my issues coming from the DNA of my maternal grandmother (who I never met) and it made me wonder how that's all connected to our Birth Charts.

 

[Gmulii]

Well... I know where we look in theory for that in bazi charts, no idea in western astrology ones...
I can remember very few cases, where someones grand father has so strong impact on the persons life. But they knew that. He had big company and stuff...

For most people I assume their parents have stronger impact, most of the time anyway.

In most cases people rarely ask about that in this way, as for specific questions we use divination systems like Yi Jing, so reading someones grand parents in their birth chart, happens rarely. Sometimes it can, though.

 

[becalm]

Oh I meant the ‘issues’ we’re dealing with. In my case the 7th house. Did my ancestors have the same scenario in their birth charts....

 

[Gmulii]

In Chinese astrology(bazi), there is the technique of "shifting palaces". We take the character that would represent the grand parent and we read the chart from that point of view as focus.
They used it to tell information if someone looking for their parents and didn't knew them for example,not very useful today, of course, but back then was better then nothing.

It usually shows same patterns that will show in the actual persons chart(the grand parent in this case).
Yet in what I have seen its always in a different way. As it is the part of that parent that reflects in the chart of their grand son or daughter.


So the conclusions are the same, the images that repeat are the same, but they come about from different "sources" kinda and different points of view. Parts of the chart may not be there as well.

Its the same in the chart itself, actually... If we look charts and lifes of most people, there are patterns repeating, butthey change. So for some decades their spouse may be represented by people with specific characteristics, then later in life that moves a step futher, they will see the pattern still, but it won't be from the same point of view(so instead of their spouse, may become the way they see people from a far away country, distant relatives etc.as the images move further away during life).

In that sense, I would guess in western astrology will be similar. The end result will be the same, since much is connected to the houses, and they are very connected to the time of birth, its difficult to be sure, as people rarely know the birth time of their grand parents, but if we check how it is in systems that could work a little without the hour, there may be another source of Images where the same issue can be seen. The Images showing it will likely be in their charts as well, but maybe not in exactly the same way.

Basically, all depends on the point of view. As the images and patterns are there, but they shift as we view them from different places during life.

 

[becalm]

Thanks Gmulii that’s great information for me to learn!!