Biting Trough

[jesed]

ps about how to find the cause of any line:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/92/5934.html?1139852147

 

[frank]

Hi all,

I had to think things over for a couple of days, so excuses for not answering back that fast.

Micheline, thank you for your suggestion to be in the archives. Sounded I belong there alright... One of the suggestions I have in my mind these days is to restart the courses in archive-work, although I have to talk to people about 'rewards' after that as I will not go for a course where I can't do anything with it afterwards... Not again will I miss a 'promotion'... as I already told you guys in the beginning of this post...

Thank you Bruce for your suport. I think that you are right about 62.4 and the 'exaggaration'. I'm an emotional guy, seeing things only in extreems, which is eye-opening one time, but very scarry the other time. It's also energyconsuming, and yes then the Yi could warn me for not going to far in emotions in this one as the 4th line is a changing line, and making that changing line YANG you get hexagram 16... confrontation with different levels of enthousiasm... If someone, or at least the Yi is telling me something I alsmost feel it literaly... I feel the kang around my neck, I do feel the danger in line 62.4, so that is making me exaggarating things a bit, I know. So I guess the Yi as answer to my question what I'm not hearing, is that at least I have to slow the emotions down. I'm already talking to people first, before taking steps (energy without clarity, right Jesed :-D).

Thank you Parasio for that astrological suggestion. I thought about Saturn too, altough more in a manner of 'where does he break off something' as Saturn in my horoscope is the break of my car, the stop in the my running, not to say the banana in my stomach :-D... And I thought also all this happening could have something to do with the midlife-thing... yes... BUT when Uranus comes in at about the age of 41... then this is just the beginning? Gee, I hope not :-D.
But thanks again for that suggestion. I have been deepend myself in the Yi answers and did not look further to this, but perhaps I could later on...

Thank you Susan for summing it all up... Haven't been seeing (and hearing.. :0) this in these contexts, but you are so right... OFCOURSE it is about safety :-D. I am someone or was someone who did or does not make much risk, and perhaps in the form of 21.6 the Yi is telling me just that..., like 'start listning and do something', and the 62.4 says.... 'do something, but with clarity and insight, and not because people expect you to do something... but do something'. Perhaps this is the challenge for me to take risks. But as Bruce already pointed it out very clearly: I'm a brave guy even considering this...

Thank you Jesed for at least giving me the opportunity to say that I love insight in I Ching anwers... But I like the other suggestion as well, as that sounds logical ofcourse. I do not know if you are right about 43.4 though, as when I take the chance of looking to the cause and the tradition tells you that to receive that hexagram you have to change all lines into the opposite, despite the changing line, I get hex. 10! The opposite of 62 is 61... and by keeping line 4 YANG... you get 10... and NOT 43... Which is it?
10.4 by the way still suggests that I move on diplomaticly and carefully, but MOVE ON...

In the meanwhile I have done some homework and in a book of the dutch I Ching writer Han Boering I found that acording to his findings hexagram 21 has something to do with marketplaces... as in one of the commentaries of the Ten Wings hexagrams are symbolicly connected to everyday inventions and 21 is 'a marketplace where people exchange goods'... Perhaps this is just all about 'getting into the market, do research, meet and intermingle, and then desite'... as that is indeed something I know I should be doing but are afraid to do as I do not know what exactly to 'buy or sell'... Because of things happened in the past this would realy be a big 'biting trough'...

I also looked at the time scales I found in the Anthology of the I Ching, by Chu & Sherrill connections between trigrams and the calendar, close to the tradition Jesed has desribed earlier on several other posts... As I look to hexagram 21 I see Thunder below and Fire above... Thunder is the beginning of spring (21 march) and the sun is the summer (till the 7th of August)... So could this mean that I have to bite trough obstactles on my way between the 21st of March and the 7th of August? 62 is Mountain below and Thunder above which makes the times 5th of february to the 4th of May... At least till the beginning of May I should take it slow? Just curious about this one, so Jesed, I'm I right here, or am I just babbling?

Thank you all again for your much appreciated help and insights.

Hug,
Frank

 

[jesed]

Hi Frank

About the cause of line 62.4, you are right... is Lake under Heaven (10) and not Heaven under Lake (43) "Stepping on the tiger's tail. Panic, panic. The end is auspicious" (lise's transaltion)

best wishes

 

[jesed]

ps. about time scales

I guess the tool I know is a little bit diferent than Chu's tool

In the tradition I learned, the calendaric calculations points:

21. Goes from Thunder (from March 17 to April 30) to Fire (from december 17 to January 31). Beacuse your question was made on February (Earth), it means that the time of 21 is entirely in the past.

When this happen, one needs to see the related hexagram (51). If this hexagram is in the present (it means, if the date of your question is within the line from the inner to the outer hexagram) is showing that your present situation is in the related hexagram, but ruled by facts that happened in the time of the principal hexagram

Now, I hadn't see this calendaric calculations in your answer. Now that you focus that: 21 is in the past (from March 17 of 2005 to Hanuary 31 of 2006) and 51 is in the present (and it will be until April 30, 2006)

I'm not sure if this helps you, but i wish you the best

 

[frank]

Hi Jesed,

I had not been looking to Lise's translation, but diplomacy and 'panic panic' was a bit of the earlier situation before I went to the 6 months job I'm in these days... Even the things discribed in hex. 10 could be dealing with the fact that I have arranged a return to the old job after these months have passed by. Ofcourse I try to move on, but as 62.4 already is saying, I should not do that rapidly... Thatswhy I gave the connection with the calender a try and I still wander if I should deal this stuff before the beginning of May. I find it a bit bizarre that in hexagram 21... the trigram Fire is connected to a period that is in wintertime...... and why is thunder connected to March last year and not to the month of March that is approaching? But still, thank you very much getting in to this...

Hug,
Frank

 

[jesed]

Hi Frank

Is a common misunderstandig: the Post Later Heaven order is not a geographicall map, but cosmical.

This also explain why one don't need to "adapt" this order to the Souther Hemisphere

 

[jesed]

about calendaric in your case

The ACTUAL conmotion state is related to facts that happened, especially around September-October 2005 and december 2005-January 2006

For the future: your Time to deal and survive this conmotion will last until April 30, 2006

So: you need to follow the advice (make a decision, stay calm in the middle of the storm, gain inner energy and outer clarity) from now to April 30, 2006.

If you learn the lesson and follow the advice, you can expect a good development. If you don't, after April 30 it could be too late

 

[frank]

Hi Jesed,

Thank you for explaning things to me. 21 acording to your tradional way of connecting the trigrams to time should be in the past and belongs to a period between september and oktober 2005 and december 2005 till januari 2006... Well let see... In september and october it was indeed a biting trough (21) as I waited to start the job i?m doing these 6 months... and the 1st of december was the first day I started... So, there should have happend something between september 2005 and januari 2006 which I did not want to hear? (line 21.6) Mmm, have to think further...
And even the fact that people are expecting me to ?get on the market? so to say, I should slow it down till the end of April 2006... as line 4 of 62 tells me to do that... Things could happen around me, and I should be aware not to be involved into that and keep on going my own route, despite of commentaries. etc... If I use the Chu-method I see that line 4 is actually from the half of march till the beginning of april... so, that would still be a period to look around for carefully then...

Thank you Jesed.

Hug,
Frank

 

[jesed]

Hi Frank

"So, there should have happend something between september 2005 and januari 2006 which I did not want to hear? (line 21.6) Mmm, have to think further... "

Yes, that is the general scope; now you can focus in more detail.

In the same way one can drawn a time-line for the hexagram, one also can conect in that time-line a date for each line

In hex 21, line 6 (the one that is enphatized in your original answer) covers the last 3 weeks of January. So, you can focus in review those days to find out what you need to hear.

Best wishes


ps. How to adscribe a date to each line:
a) after figure out the time-frame of the entire hex, one count how many days it covers (in hex 21, 3 trigrams from Thunder to Fire * 45 days each trigram = 135 days)
b) divide it in 6 (because the entire hex has 6 lines) 135/6= 22.5 day each line. So, in this hex, each line covers 3 weeks aprox.
c) Adscribe the calendaric days to each line. In your case: line 6 covers the last 3 weeks of the hex.. so covers the last 3 weeks of January.

 

[frank]

Hi Guys

Remembered my question about biting through... just to give you an update... I had a confercation about this yesterday with my boss and they have no money to keep me longer then the 1st of june. I have some mixed feelings aboiut it... In one way I do not feel down to much anout this as I?m ?loanded out? to this department so to speak, and I feel OK now (after some bad moments yesterday) for getting back to the department where I went before this one, but I remembered the kang in 21.6 all out of a sudden when by boss was telling me that I actually have been concentrating myself to much on the job, and less to the opportunity of the loanbase and looking around, and talk to others to get an idea for work after this period... I still can do that, but as Jesed said it could be to late after the 30th of april... I guess they desited to no longer try to handle something with me and stick to the old idea of just being there for 6 months and nothing more then just that close to that date... I still am in communication with my old departement in the new role I?m going to play there... Still a biting trough...

Just an update...

Hug,
Frank