Blending main and nuclear hexagram

[matej1486]

Hello, would you like to share your principles or guiding lines for blending/connecting the main Hexagrams with their nuclear Hex? Thank you.

 

[IrfanK]

Hmmm. I was just thinking about nuclear hexagrams, so I'll give this one a shot. I don't think that the nuclear hexagram in anyway directly addresses the question you put to the Yi. Rather, it tells you something about the meaning and structure of the hexagram you receive, background information, its theme. You could divine for years and not worry about nuclear hexagrams.

Wilhelm's Book Three deals a lot with nuclear trigrams, rather than hexagrams -- he barely ever talks about the latter. For example, he looks at 60 Limitation and points out that the upper nuclear trigram is Gen, Mountain: which is a barrier, a block, a limiting, constraining force. Much of his ideas about 60 relate to that trigram.

PS It's also fun to group hexagrams together according to their common nuclear hexagram. There are only eight nuclear hexagrams, and each one is associated with eight primary hexagrams. You can try to find common themes or ideas, links between the eight hexagrams associated with a particular nuclear. And then you can look at the secondary nuclears, the nuclear of the nuclear. There are only four of them: 1, 2, 63, 64.

 

[surnevs]

'Nuclear' / 'Mutual' / 'Core' or, in Bent Nielsens "A companion to Yi Jing Numerology and Cosmology" *, 'Interlocking trigrams'. See under 'Hu Ti ' where you'll get a concise, and yet in-depth, explanation of this phenomenon.
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*) Routledge Curzon, London 2003

 

[matej1486]

Hmmm. I was just thinking about nuclear hexagrams, so I'll give this one a shot. I don't think that the nuclear hexagram in anyway directly addresses the question you put to the Yi. Rather, it tells you something about the meaning and structure of the hexagram you receive, background information, its theme. You could divine for years and not worry about nuclear hexagrams.

Wilhelm's Book Three deals a lot with nuclear trigrams, rather than hexagrams -- he barely ever talks about the latter. For example, he looks at 60 Limitation and points out that the upper nuclear trigram is Gen, Mountain: which is a barrier, a block, a limiting, constraining force. Much of his ideas about 60 relate to that trigram.

PS It's also fun to group hexagrams together according to their common nuclear hexagram. There are only eight nuclear hexagrams, and each one is associated with eight primary hexagrams. You can try to find common themes or ideas, links between the eight hexagrams associated with a particular nuclear. And then you can look at the secondary nuclears, the nuclear of the nuclear. There are only four of them: 1, 2, 63, 64.

Hi, thanks, I have been thinking about this topic for years and cannot come to some conclusive principles. I am only sure, from my experiance, they are important and we shouldne ignore them. Like recent example: I got 39 in connection to some travel that was in front of me....i have drove for 700km and then 5 kilometers before the end of my journey the police unit got me on their camera for over speeding. I paid the ticket and got really frustrated with myself. Next day i looked again in my I ching diary and noticed that 39 has 64 as nuclear( possible mistake just before the goal achived) !!

 

[matej1486]

'Nuclear' / 'Mutual' / 'Core' or, in Bent Nielsens "A companion to Yi Jing Numerology and Cosmology" *, 'Interlocking trigrams'. See under 'Hu Ti ' where you'll get a concise, and yet in-depth, explanation of this phenomenon.
___________
*) Routledge Curzon, London 2003

Any hint ?

 

[surnevs]

Any hint ?

OK, so it wasn't information on the subject you asked for in the sense I thought. Here is a thread I started where I tell about my personal view on it.

 

[Liselle]

For anyone who's interested, we did a whole series on these nuclear families in our Well Gatherings. The recordings are all in the Change Circle Library, scroll about a third of the way down the page to the Well Gathering tab. https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/c/

 

[matej1486]

Any hint ?

OK, so it wasn't information on the subject you asked for in the sense I thought. Here is a thread I started where I tell about my personal view on it.

Hi, I checked for that Nielsen book you recommended on the net, but it is little expensive for me at the moment. Thank you anyway.

I went through your thread, interesting stuff.

 

[matej1486]

My current views on the topic:

1. The 16 Nuc represent 16 principles that are somehow more basic ones, more generaly spread. So they appear in other 64 Hex that are little more specific.

2. The 16 Nuc dont exist independently of 64 Hex. They are JUST A PART of the situation/principle that is represented with one of the 64 Hex. The fact that we are talking about the 16 Nucs as individual entites doesnt make sense, becouse every of the 64 Hex has ALWAYS the SAME Nuc. Why would some Hex have ALWAYS the same hiden/internal/whatever....part in every practical situation, every question? It doesnt make sense! Practical situations that people are facing in their lives have innumerable VARIATIONS, so why would some of the 64 Hexagrams always have the SAME internal/hiden/whatever part.

3. But the content/subtance of each of 16 Nucs can be INTEGRAL part(in smaller degree) of the content/substance of 64 Hexagrams. Like every situation of hex5 will have some part of Nuc38.

4.The very existance of the 16 Nucs as something independent in Yi Jing philosophy/history is just a by product of analyzing the lines, trigrams, hexagrams etc. When you have 2 sorts of lines(broken, unbroken) and you try to put them in groups of 6, you just have to develop some underlying pattern. This is just how any system of variations, permutations....works. It is just a technical thing.

4. Becouse Yi and 64 Hexagrams can also be used for very specific questions/situations like colours, directions, gender, job.... where the 16 Nucs have no meaningful use, i think we should consider the Nuc stuff only in questions regarding SITUATIONS that are able to have more LAYERS.

5. To not be missunderstood: by simplifying the 16Nucs meaning I dont mean to diminish the spiritual/ezoteric meaning of the Yi system. It is not a mechanical thing for me. But some of the elements of this system that we developed/become familiar with via technical analyzis are only technicalities with no individual practical meaning.

...does this make eny sense to anyone? and sorry for my english....

 

[surnevs]

Hi, I checked for that Nielsen book you recommended on the net, but it is little expensive for me at the moment. Thank you anyway.

I went through your thread, interesting stuff.

It's factual information on the subject so if you are interested try the library and if they can't help you try pdfdrive.com who had it some years ago for download.
To give any guidelines on how the nuclear hexagram works in readings I think depends on each situation and to stay open as far as it gives meaning, as in your reading here above (#4) where maybe you'd been aware of what happened, had you taken the nuclear hexagram into consideration or just had it in mind (?), but those guidelines would never be general I think, or being useful in other situations.
For my part, I have only had my attention on them when consulting the I Ching but I haven't taken them as the main answer as received from the I Ching.

 

[matej1486]

It's factual information on the subject so if you are interested try the library and if they can't help you try pdfdrive.com who had it some years ago for download.
To give any guidelines on how the nuclear hexagram works in readings I think depends on each situation and to stay open as far as it gives meaning, as in your reading here above (#4) where maybe you'd been aware of what happened, had you taken the nuclear hexagram into consideration or just had it in mind (?), but those guidelines would never be general I think, or being useful in other situations.
For my part, I have only had my attention on them when consulting the I Ching but I haven't taken them as the main answer as received from the I Ching.

...try pdfdrive.com who had it some years ago for download....
GOT IT, thank you !

 

[surnevs]

- it's still available for download on pdfdrive. I checked. (actually, I bought the book after having looked closer into it in this way, as the book is like an encyclopedia or a dictionary, good to have at hand on the bookshelf). I don't know how passionate you are about the I, but if you, like I did, stumbled upon some striking coincidences on the nuclear hexagrams - or the meaning of those compared to the 'main-reading' - between maybe there will be something we have in common here...

 

[surnevs]

And, in case you haven't watched it: Harmen Meskers brilliant video on the subject,

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[matej1486]

And, in case you haven't watched it: Harmen Meskers brilliant video on the subject,

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thank you. very nice, critical analysis and explanation. it support my understanding that the 16 Nucs have no separate identity in I ching. And, yes, I also didnt find anywhere in the classisc something about their practical application.

But, from my experiances, the meaning/energies of the Nucs are somehow present in the background of the 64 Hexagrams, and whenever I ignore this fact i later see that i did a mistake (again). But how/in what way are they present remains a mistery for me.