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fkegan

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*sigh*

I'm well aware that it could be a genuine breakthrough. It could equally be a temporary chemical fix. Despite the commonality of the reaction the true nature cannot be known to anyone.

Moreover, it wasn't meant to be a serious analysis just a light-hearted, tangential description: Hence the icon, hence "LOL" hence the suggestion that it gets better a second time....hence my own laughter.

Do relax.

Topal

Hi Topal,

Glad to hear you did manage to eventually laugh yourself. Sorry you feel the need to hide behind the ROFL notion before you can join in the general merriment.

Having been in group sessions where folks achieved breakthroughs that were treated as psychotic breaks when they returned home to their Deep South bigot-run roots and others where folks truly did have mental breakdowns that caused problems and even having lost friends to eventual suicide when their problems weren't taken seriously I have a tougher time just relaxing about these issues than apparently you do.

You are also objectively wrong that it is impossible to observe a group session and tell what is the true nature of the reaction--at least in terms of OK or dangerous. Not sure what you mean by temporary chemical fix; though I would agree that it is not clear what is a true and permanent breakthrough and what is just a momentary insight that fades outside of group.

I guess I did not find your remarks just light hearted or incidental but each to their own.

Frank
 

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Hi Topal,

Glad to hear you did manage to eventually laugh yourself. Sorry you feel the need to hide behind the ROFL notion before you can join in the general merriment.

Having been in group sessions where folks achieved breakthroughs that were treated as psychotic breaks when they returned home to their Deep South bigot-run roots and others where folks truly did have mental breakdowns that caused problems and even having lost friends to eventual suicide when their problems weren't taken seriously I have a tougher time just relaxing about these issues than apparently you do.

You are also objectively wrong that it is impossible to observe a group session and tell what is the true nature of the reaction--at least in terms of OK or dangerous. Not sure what you mean by temporary chemical fix; though I would agree that it is not clear what is a true and permanent breakthrough and what is just a momentary insight that fades outside of group.

I guess I did not find your remarks just light hearted or incidental but each to their own.

Frank

I found Topals comment obviously light hearted Frank and if you didn't understand it then I think it is you who have some kind of comprehension problem ! Seems you are unable to discern when someone is serious or joking, unable to see what they really mean...ever ready to make out they said something or meant something they didn't say or mean at all, and every ready to flatter yourself the others annoyance, when it arises, is due to their projection upon your shining lucid surface.

why not stop wasting peoples time making them defend and explain comments that are totally comprehensible in tone and content to everyone else. If you really can't understand the tone of peoples posts why not accept you have some sort of comprehension deficiency in that area rather than put them to blame. I think bringing in suicide to shame Topal to the effect you are saying his light hearted tone is misplaced is really OTT !

In other words it would be a good idea to take Topals advice and relax. Frankly i see your post here as nothing more than an attempt to irritate..its a post with absolutely no substance or purpose other than that IMO......
 
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Hi Trojan,

I doubt it is a comprehension problem on my part so much as my objection to making fun of what was clearly in the video a totally jovial, fun-filled and not-dangerous happening.

How you manage to see such ugly motives in my post or speak for the whole of humanity rather than just yourself also eludes me.

I didn't demand anything of Topal, just offered him some more input about what he was saying was a problem for him.

However, I am relaxed, perhaps too relaxed for your taste...Guess lightheartedness is in the eye of the beholder and irritation arises from all sorts of prior conditions.

Best Wishes,

Frank
 

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Hi Trojan,

I doubt it is a comprehension problem on my part so much as my objection to making fun of what was clearly in the video a totally jovial, fun-filled and not-dangerous happening.



Frank

Well I agree it was my perception also that this was a delighful, jovial..enlightening moment for Dennis and i found the video really funny from start to finish....and laughed all through but i didn't feel that Topal was actually 'making fun' of what was happening..just sharing a few lighthearted thoughts thats all

...and afterall what Topal said is true we cannot really know what was happening inside Dennis's head in that video. My sense was he was not having a breakdown but actually discovering the truth....that as he said when 'I tried to find this dennis...there was...absolutely nothing there' which I'm sure will come as a great joke to us all when we reach that place. But still just by watching we can't know for certain whats happening in his head...thats all i thought Topal was saying.

And afterall the guru himself was well aware of how Dennis's statement might be perceived as 'loony'..as when he tries to compose himself to speak seriously at the beginning he says something like...'if you say this anywhere else, Dennis does not exist...you would..' then he loses control and manages to say just before exploding into more laughter 'get locked up' ......


I loved the final line...'don't, don't tell your boss you don't exist...he may tell your wages don't exist either' lol
 
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A breakthrough is not a "light" matter. We can only experience joy to the degree we experience sorrow.

Komm, süßer Tod, komm selge Ruh from the 69 Sacred Songs and Arias that Johann Sebastian Bach contributed to Georg Christian Schemelli's Musicalisches Gesangbuch (BWV 478).

Komm, süßer Tod, komm selge Ruh!
Komm führe mich in Friede,
Weil ich der Welt bin müde,
Ach komm! ich wart auf dich,
Komm bald und führe mich,
Drück mir die Augen zu.
Komm, selge Ruh!

English translation:

Come, sweet death, come blessed rest!
Come lead me to peace
For I am weary of the world,
Oh come! I wait for you,
Come soon and lead me,
Close my eyes.
Come, blessed rest!
 
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and here´s some joyous for you guys :)

Ev'rywhere

Ev'rywhere is wonderland
Ev'rywhere is life,
In Auntie's rubber garter-band
As in the whole wide land.
Ev'rywhere obscurity.
The child becomes a father.
Not much later, maybe five
Minutes later ends the strife.
Ev'rywhere eternity.

Blowing softly on a snail
Makes him shrink into his shell,
Dropped in cognac, mixed with ice
Lets him think he saw white mice.

(Joachim Ringelnatz)
 

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That's funny stuff ! He writes well:

"I Love You So"

Ich lache.
Die Löcher sind die Hauptsache
An einem Sieb.

I laugh.
Caviar is an epitaph
On sturgeon's roe.
 

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Well I agree it was my perception also that this was a delighful, jovial..enlightening moment for Dennis and i found the video really funny from start to finish....and laughed all through but i didn't feel that Topal was actually 'making fun' of what was happening..just sharing a few lighthearted thoughts thats all

Exactly.

Thanks for your attempt at explaining what was obvious to most, but it really doesn't matter. Life's too short. ;)

Topal
 

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Well I agree it was my perception also that this was a delighful, jovial..enlightening moment for Dennis and i found the video really funny from start to finish...
Hi Trojan,

A breakthrough is not a "light" matter. We can only experience joy to the degree we experience sorrow.
Hi Panther,

Life's too short.
Hi Topal,

My comment was that the video was lovely fun for us the audience and that joy needed to be protected from casual comments about what was going on with Dennis. It is the guru's obligation to check in with him later and make sure he was OK with his breakthrough and not then sinking into darker implications of "Dennis doesn't exist, my whole life is a fraud."

Life only seems too short, each day is an entire independent Creation from the dawning Sun. In Catch 22 Yossarian spends his days doing things he hates to make his life feel longer. Another alternative is to relax and realize there are other points of view and what one finds harmless jest another may find poor taste or even laughing at scars who never felt a wound...

Frank
 

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Hi Trojan,

Hi Panther,

Hi Topal,

My comment was that the video was lovely fun for us the audience and that joy needed to be protected from casual comments about what was going on with Dennis. It is the guru's obligation to check in with him later and make sure he was OK with his breakthrough and not then sinking into darker implications of "Dennis doesn't exist, my whole life is a fraud."

Life only seems too short, each day is an entire independent Creation from the dawning Sun. In Catch 22 Yossarian spends his days doing things he hates to make his life feel longer. Another alternative is to relax and realize there are other points of view and what one finds harmless jest another may find poor taste or even laughing at scars who never felt a wound...

Frank
I think the focus of some posts on Clarity at any given time are
to some degree predictable by astrology, although individuals have
their own predictable views and patterns. A certain conjunction,for
example, may augur what some will divine or "think" or find of
interest.

February Energetics.
The full moon on January 30th (06.19 UT) highlighted the
qualities of Aquarius and illuminated those areas of our lives where
there is a need for the spiritual values of unity, sharing and universal
brotherhood to take more precedence. Throughout this month we will be
gifted with some very powerful planetary help that insist that we
focus our awareness on any aspect of ourselves that is not yet in
alignment with our true self. One of the strongest of these influences:
the conjunction between the planets Neptune and Chiron in
Aquarius, on February 17th.
The focus of Chiron is on helping us
to uncover and heal our deepest wounds while Neptune
offers us an opportunity to gain clarity by lifting the veil into the
non-material worlds. The influence of both together is powerful and
helps us to focus deeply on what limits us, if we are willing to take up
the challenge. If we resist the flow, we could find our selves stuck in
the fog of Neptunian delusion, believing ourselves to be a victim of
circumstance. The influence of retrograde Saturn this month will be
doing its very best to ensure that we do not miss out on this
opportunity for healing.
 
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