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Hi all! I'm new to this new forum and so excited to learn from all you experienced i-chingers!

Anyway, I decided a good way to study the i-ching would be to weekly throw a hexagram and then read it every night trying to understand it in a new way. I rarely now ask specific questions; I find the Sage usually knows the answer to my question I didn't even know I had.
So I rec'vd 24, Fu/Return, which seemed very applicable to my own life due to a very traumatic spring/summer seeming to calm down. I rc'vd changing lines 4 and 6, which created Hex 21, Biting Through.

The two changing lines really threw me off until I started thinking about my dad, and thought how perfectly it fit his life.

As for Biting Thru, I have a hard time understanding why that Hex would throw light apon 24. 24 seems to be about still conserving energy, while 21 is about taking action against an obstacle in a sort of legal way. huh?

Any thoughts?

Again so happy to meet all of you!
Karin from Whidbey Island, WA, USA
 

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I think when you are not asking a specific question but opening yourself up to the guidance of the universe it is not uncommon to see a connection between the hexagram and someone or some situation outside yourself. In fact, even when you are asking a specific question you most likely will have occasions where you will recognize you are being given information that relates to other areas in your life. You are talking to a living consciousness and just as you and I will sometimes change the subject when we're chatting the I Ching will slip in an off topic remark now and then too.

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Insofar as your reading may be "about" your father, one's parents influence one in very fundamental ways. What you see objectively of your father in your reading may be teaching you something about yourself. (My wife calls me by my father's name when I'm acting out some of my father's less-than-endearing behaviors. I do not always find this as amusing as she does...)

I find the notion of 24 "conserving energy" rather curious. In the tradtional reading it seems to be about getting back into your usual order of business after a time of periodic darkness (winter): "There is movement, but it is not brought about by force." You mentioned a tumultuous spring-summer, so perhaps life is settling finally.

"Return" could as easily mean coming back to habits that squander energy -- that faux-Einstein quote about "doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result" comes to mind.

Perhaps 21, which is about "biting through" obstructions to unity with others and the Higher Power, refers to habits which bring you back to behaviors which may be comforting, but not productive to long-term growth.
 

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Thank you for your thoughtful responses!

Out of curiousity, line 6 of Hex 24 is pretty dire if you interpret it as you missed your chance for the "return of the light". But I have different books that either suggest you have missed your chance or you might miss your chance if you don't respond with the right attitude.
Any thoughts either way?
 

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I don't care for that notion that the whole cycle must play through again -- I see it particularly in RL Wing -- if only because I find it so depressing. And I think it displays a western-oriented linear sense of time which may not necessarily be in accord with how the traditional Chinese would have perceived the situation.

Nevertheless, it is hard to put a cheerful face on this line. Anthony suggests that "all your work will be undone" due to your obstinacy. The traditional reading (Wilhelm) indicates 10 years before you can put your army back together again.

The future is always being created out of the present moment in the IC, it's the future as it may be rather than it must be. If you see a line like 24.6, a course correction is in order...
 

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I like C. Anthony's as well...

There's a definite "if" connected with hers. So hard to understand what the course correction must be though. There's the tough part.
 

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"In order to be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid..."

Anthony often returns to the notion that even one's errors can be productive so long as you acknowledge your errors and turn the issue over to the Cosmos. It's your ego that wants to see a straight line to a solution, to force progress, to see the world in terms of problems that only you can fix by immediately jumping in...
 

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I think I escaped 6th line....

My following week's reading was Sui/Following line 6 and Wu Wang/Innocence. Line 6 of Following seems to suggest that the Sage is with me and I haven't brought misfortune on my head by wrong actions.
I read the two as I must become innocent, like the young student, and follow the sage. Encouraging.
Thanks, Elias, for all your input!
 

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Thank you for your thoughtful responses!

Out of curiousity, line 6 of Hex 24 is pretty dire if you interpret it as you missed your chance for the "return of the light". But I have different books that either suggest you have missed your chance or you might miss your chance if you don't respond with the right attitude.
Any thoughts either way?

I have certainly found it to mean 'its too late' but afterall being 'too late' isn't always such a bad thing...its just how it is thats all

I tend to find its something inevitably too late and nothing to do with 'right attitude'...or wrong attitude..its just too late and yes a new cycle needs to start. Never really found it to be a warning which doesn't mean it can't be one of course


Carol Anthony is interesting if you haven't come across it before but after a while if you use it continually for help with interpreting you will probably find her commentaries incredibly repetetive, monotonous and actually way more about her own philosophy than anything much to do with the I Ching IMO
 

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"Anthony often returns to the notion that even one's errors can be productive so long as you acknowledge your errors and turn the issue over to the Cosmos. It's your ego that wants to see a straight line to a solution, to force progress, to see the world in terms of problems that only you can fix by immediately jumping in...

yes pity she says that about every single line for every single hexagram though
 

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