Can anyone shed any light on Hexagram 40?

[ChangingOne]

I am new to the IC, I am still learning and have made a few errors so far in that I have asked questions that require a yes or no answer. I now understand that this is far less useful than asking a question such as 'what will the outcome be if...'.

Nevertheless, I wondered if anyone could give me their interpretation of my reading. I fell out with a friend about 4 years ago now and we haven't spoken since. Just recently I have been wanting to make contact again, after all it has been a long time and I feel we would both like to move on from that past. Trouble is, the number I had for them is no longer in use and they no longer live at their previous address.

I was able to get hold of a family members home phone number and kindly asked that they pass on a message and also my phone number. Some days have passed now and I haven't had a phone call. I asked the IC whether this old friend of mine would call me or not and got hexagram 40 with no changing lines.

I have little experience in interpreting readings as I am pretty new to this but the word deliverance initially suggested to me that my message had literally been delivered to my friend and that they were in possession of my number. The reading said that if there is no real purpose in pursuing this then retreating brings good fortune. However, if there was a good cause for pursuing it then acting quickly brings good fortune.

Can anyone add to this at all or tell me what your thoughts are? I don't want to call the family members phone number again as I don't want to bug them, especially if they have passed on my number and this person just doesn't want to speak to me but at the same time I feel like I am supposed to get in touch with them again for some reason.

Thank you

 

[Trojina]

40 uc is a nice simple answer. No complications here to concern yourself with over what to do next, you already did it. 40 says that if there is something you need to do then do it and if you don't then don't do it. Now you have already taken the only action you could have taken so all you can do is see what happens. Let it go saying to yourself 'I've done all I can so if she contacts me then she contacts me and if she doesn't then she doesn't'. One thing the answer isn't asking you for is more deliberation, more plans, more thinking. Once you have shot an arrow you have to let it go. Once you sent the communication to the family you have to let it go.

My personal intuitive sense of it is she is more likely to be in touch than not, after all 40 does speak of letting past issues go, but I couldn't be wholly confident of that just from the answer. It seems to me that whether she answers or not the act of trying to get in touch released something for you.

Oh BTW members have all shared their personal experiences of how 40uc played out for them here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...eriences-with-Unchanging-Castings-Hexagram-40 which may be of interest.

 

[kttuan]

dear friend,
waiting for information is one among basic case of Ic prediction. in your hex 40, upper part is wood,which gains benefit (was born) from lower part (water), so in principle of ic there will be no information.
in details, ur old friend left for a long time, so this person can not know if there is a message.
to day is September 5th. if you cast this on 31August or 1September, the case will be hopefully. otherwise,absolutely no.

 

[Trojina]

dear friend,
waiting for information is one among basic case of Ic prediction. in your hex 40, upper part is wood,which gains benefit (was born) from lower part (water), so in principle of ic there will be no information.
in details, ur old friend left for a long time, so this person can not know if there is a message.
to day is September 5th. if you cast this on 31August or 1September, the case will be hopefully. otherwise,absolutely no.

The upper trigram is not wood it is thunder. The I Ching's answer doesn't say 'there will be no information' so if you see that perhaps you might explain where you see it ?

 

[ChangingOne]

Thank you for your replies,

Trojina - what you said about doing all you can is exactly what I was confused about. I told myself that I had done all I could to make contact and I was confused by the hastening comment in the hexagram because it made me feel like I should be doing more but I didn't know how I could do this. Thank you for shedding light on this, it makes far more sense now. I really have done all I can, so I will just wait now.

Kttuan - I made contact with the family member on the 1st of September.

 

[ChangingOne]

Also, thank you for the link you sent, I will take a look at this now!

 

[Trojina]

I really have done all I can, so I will just wait now.

I wasn't intending to imply you should wait since 40 is the opposite thing to waiting. You do what you do or don't do what you don't need to do then let it go. So although I guess it's hard not to wait it would be more in line with 40 if you could now just let it go, thinking 'I've done what I could, so what will be will be'.

 

[ChangingOne]

Thank you Trojina - that makes sense. My only concern I guess is that the family member I spoke to didn't know who I was and said that they couldn't make any promises but would take my number and pass it on.

I feel like i'm in limbo, I don't know whether they have managed to give my number to my old friend or not yet, which makes me wonder whether I am being ignored or they simply haven't got it at this time.

Anyway, I guess I won't know either way and I feel like the IC has been quite clear in the answer so I won't ask any further questions on this.

Thank you for your input, it is much appreciated.

 

[kttuan]

The upper trigram is not wood it is thunder. The I Ching's answer doesn't say 'there will be no information' so if you see that perhaps you might explain where you see it ?

Dear Trojina,
to answer, a list some principles from ancient Yi Jing shortly in "guess about people", suppose A wants to find B (or information from.about B):
- subject part is A, object part is B
- If no activated line: Subject is lower trigram, object is upper one;
- If there is/are active line(s): which trigram contains activated line(s) will be object - remained becomes subject;
- Subject and object can be: counter, support, equal;
- subject is born by object: information will come soon, vice verse-com late; other: no information in time governed by hexagram;
2.yes 100 is thunder, and it belongs to WOOD.
trigram 100 and 011 belong to WOOD - this problem is still controversial in explaination till now,and never agreed WHY. there aremany many explaination but in view points of many people who researched Yi Jing, they are still reluctant.
3. in Hex. 40: lower part is not born by upper one, so information does not come yet. But if ChangingOne did contact or casting hexagram in 31 August or 1 September, these day are Pig and Rat days, so they belong to WATER - this means information from B can come not so late - this is the principle of using "hidden object" in Yi Jing prediction.
Best regards.

 

[Trojina]

So you think what happens is all totally predestined ?

The thing with these methods of complex workings out to find predestined outcomes is it always seems a lot of effort just to come up with a statement such as

so in principle of ic there will be no information

...it's a very different I Ching to the one I consult.

 

[kttuan]

about cause and effect, it needs more discussion, even theories. But I can realize that you consider a hexagram is a fixed object in nature, but actually it is an object which is veried by space and time.
vice verse, if a hexagram is fixed, so when you consult i ching, you consult a table only, likes periodic table. That is not the soul of iching.

 

[ChangingOne]

I just wanted to share with everyone that yesterday evening I got the phone call I had been waiting for.

Thank you for your time in responding to this thread!

 

[Trojina]

great news

oh and if you feel like it at some point you might add your experience on to the 40uc thread, will link.
No pressure but it's such a nice clear example....oh realised I already linked here it is again http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...eriences-with-Unchanging-Castings-Hexagram-40

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