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Can Hexagram 62 mean positive answer, ie, yes, to question?

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Can Hexagram 61 (sorry NOT 62!) serve as a yes answer to a question, ie confirmation that an underlying intuition (inner truth) is correct? I asked whether two of my friends are in contact with each other and Hexagram 61 was the reply. The question was not heavily laden with significance in my mind but it did "feel" as if I was right as I asked. And the answer also "felt" right, as if I was being given a nod by the Yi. Any insights or comments appreciated! Thank you.
 
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Given the nature of your question, I can follow your reasoning. And, 61 as an answer would give me a sense of affirmation, a yes.

I'm reminded to mention that it's not right away though. The jury is still out.
 
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Hi, I see 61 as saying to focus inwardly within yourself as a base for understanding the outside world (aka your two friends). To step into their shoes and walk around, BUT AS YOU. As you plug yourself into the equation you might come to a realization that you just want to talk to them in person, or maybe from that perspective you could see better why they would possilby like to talk with each other. Best Regards.
 

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Given the nature of your question, I can follow your reasoning. And, 61 as an answer would give me a sense of affirmation, a yes.

I'm reminded to mention that it's not right away though. The jury is still out.

Thank you Meng, yes, if they arte not talking there is a strong sense that they may do so; a sense of possibility, if not probability?
 

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Hi, I see 61 as saying to focus inwardly within yourself as a base for understanding the outside world (aka your two friends). To step into their shoes and walk around, BUT AS YOU. As you plug yourself into the equation you might come to a realization that you just want to talk to them in person, or maybe from that perspective you could see better why they would possilby like to talk with each other. Best Regards.

Perceptive of you :) as the conversation I think (hope) they may have had or may yet have concerns me. In a good way. For the moment it's not possible for me to raise a subject with one of them. I am hopeful the other will open the door for that to happen in due course.
 

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My source is this from 61:

Wind over lake: the image of INNER TRUTH
Thus the superior man discusses criminal cases
In order to delay executions
. ~ W/B

The noble one discusses criminal cases in order to delay executions ~ LiSe

I interpret this generally to mean not to be too hasty to leap to a conclusion just yet. That's what I meant by the jury is still out. It's also a chance to reconsider your role in this line of question. I mean, the Yi just may be saying to you to turn to your own inner truth, and not concern yourself with them. That wouldn't be an uncommon type of response from this oracle, if it applied.
 

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Thank you again Meng.

The second friend I had not spoken to does have mental health issues & the wrong approach could lead to a negative response.


Because of your first words of good counsel I asked the Yi whether I really should follow my intuition at this point and contact the second friend directly and the response was 26.1.2.3 changing to 23.

This seems to be telling me:
26.1 it is dangerous ( counterproductive?) to take action
26.2 it is not possible to take things forward
26.3 be a horse that stays with all the other horses, unwise to strike out alone.


And 23 seems to say nothing will come of the relationship anyway - ?
 

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Yeah, that seems very clear, doesn't it. But it still doesn't say not ever, it says definitely not now.

I'd interpret 23 in this case to simply say let it go.

I missed Courtney's post earlier, and I wound up suggesting something similar, that Yi may be speaking solely to your inner truth, at this time.

Looking into other people's private lives seem to get a direct response from Yi only if the log is removed from our own eye. Otherwise information is on a need to know basis; that is, is there a constructive reason for asking the question? Even then, the Yi may direct its answer to your own mind and heart. It requires discernment and honesty with yourself.
 

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Yes, thank you again, I can see that something as powerful as Yi will have negative consequences for those who abuse it or try to use it for bad reasons. Longyi has written that some questions about others will only result in answers relating to us, not them. It always helps me to consider with each cast that this says something about me as much as anyone else. And when it seems completely off-point in answering it seems to me that it is really telling me to stop getting lost in my own thoughts. In this case I am concerned to act considerately and sensitively and not to rush in where angels fear to tread...
 
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Here are a group of 'key words' that Bradford gives for 23:
Cut back, trim excess, return to basics, reduce, pruning, leaving what should be left, carrying on with less but with stability, lightening up.

23 could be looked at as the backdrop for the rest of the reading (26.1.2.3)
 

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PS Can I ask one thing - is 23 not a permanent "Splitting"?

Sometimes, sometimes not. Pruning a tree or rosebush is a permanent loss for that severed stem, but that stem or branch was sucking the life or energy (chi) from that tree or bush and producing neither flower nor fruit. That life stripping source being pruned away fulfills 23's "those above can ensure their position only by giving generously to those below." That otherwise wasted energy now goes back to the roots of the plant and nourishes it, so that more and productive stems may sprout and grow.

To answer your question more directly, I don't know of anything that is permanent. Even the pruned branch may yet have seeds.
 

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Beautiful Meng. I am glad. I am half way through my life. There are things I want to make right from my past in future and things I want to do right for the first time. I hope I have time. I hope I have opportunity. I'll do my best to make time and opportunity.

One last cast gave me 11.5. with 5 as the background. I guess it's about waiting; and about working; and about hoping; and about loving.
 

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First I want to bounce back to the possibility that Yi answered your question directly, as in: yes, there is a bond between them, or, they hear one another. If you find out more later, it would be helpful to let us know how these readings most seemed to apply, according to your reasoning.

11.5-5 is a nice image to complete the cycle of specific readings with. It's always been significant to me that heaven voluntarily places himself beneath feminine earth. One would imagine that a natural state is when heaven is above earth, yet that is the Yi image of 12, separation or disintegration. Heaven's direction (theoretically) is up, earth's direction is downward or inward (gravity). 11 places heaven below and lifts, 11 places earth above and sinks: voila, intercourse, union, and often left out: productivity, i.e. making proverbial or literal babies. The cool thing about line 11.5 is that you're making it with royalty, and with the King's approval! There's no shame in marrying up, or down.
 

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Another resonant and uplifting answer, thank you again. I will stay in touch - most especially because I know I will want to ask your advice again. Hot-headed, (and I hope) warmhearted, impulsive people need help to see further & more deeply when it really counts. I hope your kindness Meng and yours Courtney brings good things to you. Ciao for now.
 

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PS Can I ask one thing - is 23 not a permanent "Splitting"?

In its position as the relating hexagram it does not necessarily signify permanent splitting. Best in that reading to just read the moving lines, I think.
 

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Inner sincerity moves even pigs and fish.Pigs and fishes refer to the stubborn qualities of a person's ego. To penetrate through to what is right must be very great. When prejudice is dispersed and we make ourselves receptive and emotionally detached we gain the help of our superior self. So yes, in a round about way, this is a yes, but the Yi tells us to stay away from yes and no questions. Isn't it better to ask how it might effect your ego instead? I see 61 as asking us to focus on ego. Ego wants to hear yes, and maybe it is ego getting in the way of the truth. Maybe the truth is something you can't hear right now, and that might mean a no. Good luck to you.
 

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