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Can the future be predicted?
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I believe it to be possible because I've experienced it. In one case what happened was dramatic and clear enough to convince a hardcore skeptic. It certainly took my breath away.
My jury of one is still out as to whether or not the Yi can predict the future (or even provide any useful information) but I'm certainly open to the possibility. In fact, I'm kind of surprised that some here unequivocally state that the Yi doesn't predict the future. Why not? If the future is knowable then why wouldn't the Yi be able to predict it? (Does anyone have any personal experience with this?)
Also, I don't think being able to see into the future implies that everything is predetermined. It simply means that we are able to see ahead and to know how we are going to use our free will, and therefore what will happen as a result.
My jury of one is still out as to whether or not the Yi can predict the future (or even provide any useful information) but I'm certainly open to the possibility. In fact, I'm kind of surprised that some here unequivocally state that the Yi doesn't predict the future. Why not? If the future is knowable then why wouldn't the Yi be able to predict it? (Does anyone have any personal experience with this?)
Also, I don't think being able to see into the future implies that everything is predetermined. It simply means that we are able to see ahead and to know how we are going to use our free will, and therefore what will happen as a result.
Clarissa
One thing the article was apparently trying to point out is the evidence of a "universal subconscious mind." If it does indeed exist, and it does, it would explain why the I Ching is able to give the answer it wants to give, and how it responds to our attitudes, not necessarily to the question asked. Hexagram 4 goes into this to a certain extent. It does have an intelligence, a personality so to speak, and does respond to our ways of thinking. The I Ching is not an automatic response mechanism. It is not a machine, it is pure, conscious intelligence.
Is everything predetermined? Not according to quantum physics. But it is predetermined once our thoughts and attitudes crystalize into a coherent whole.
Gene
One thing the article was apparently trying to point out is the evidence of a "universal subconscious mind." If it does indeed exist, and it does, it would explain why the I Ching is able to give the answer it wants to give, and how it responds to our attitudes, not necessarily to the question asked. Hexagram 4 goes into this to a certain extent. It does have an intelligence, a personality so to speak, and does respond to our ways of thinking. The I Ching is not an automatic response mechanism. It is not a machine, it is pure, conscious intelligence.
Is everything predetermined? Not according to quantum physics. But it is predetermined once our thoughts and attitudes crystalize into a coherent whole.
Gene
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Maybe just this book
Agreed - Yi is not a mechanism. Sometimes it predicts the future, but it doesn't dispense predictions like a slot machine dispensing Coke cans.
But I would really, really suggest you not bother too much with theories of how or why Yi might work. Just talk with it as if you were having a conversation.
If you need a working theory, try imagining that you're talking with parts of yourself you don't normally get to know about. Yi as random stimulus to creative thinking and accessing what you already knew at some level. Whatever helps you to get to know the oracle without feeling too much like a fruitcake.
Agreed - Yi is not a mechanism. Sometimes it predicts the future, but it doesn't dispense predictions like a slot machine dispensing Coke cans.
But I would really, really suggest you not bother too much with theories of how or why Yi might work. Just talk with it as if you were having a conversation.
If you need a working theory, try imagining that you're talking with parts of yourself you don't normally get to know about. Yi as random stimulus to creative thinking and accessing what you already knew at some level. Whatever helps you to get to know the oracle without feeling too much like a fruitcake.
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Clarissa...
It isn't a question of whether the Yi CAN predict the future. It's a matter of whether the Yi WILL.
There are times they do tell me the future (especially at times when I don't ask) because it's about something I need to know to protect myself against or prepare for. And there are times they don't because it's dangerous information for me to have. The Yi is a true friend. The Yi is on my side. They're only going to give me information that's helpful.
I LOVE what Hilary said. "Just talk with it as if you were having a conversation." And LISTEN just as you would in a conversation. The Yi MADE me talk to a part of myself I knew existed... guided me to her. I just didn't realize she had something important, something life altering to tell me until I listened. Hilary's advise on that is excellent.
Love,
Val
It isn't a question of whether the Yi CAN predict the future. It's a matter of whether the Yi WILL.
There are times they do tell me the future (especially at times when I don't ask) because it's about something I need to know to protect myself against or prepare for. And there are times they don't because it's dangerous information for me to have. The Yi is a true friend. The Yi is on my side. They're only going to give me information that's helpful.
I LOVE what Hilary said. "Just talk with it as if you were having a conversation." And LISTEN just as you would in a conversation. The Yi MADE me talk to a part of myself I knew existed... guided me to her. I just didn't realize she had something important, something life altering to tell me until I listened. Hilary's advise on that is excellent.
Love,
Val
Val,
OK well...I guess I'm going to marry this man that I'm not in a relationship with
He was the focus the question in which I received
11.5 -> 5. Why did I ask? An odd hunch that SEEMS to be coming true.
I even did that Carol Anthony thing regarding verifying one's interpretation. Yes, I will marry him. Do I believe that? I don't think I do...no. Why? It's just a bit too unbelievable. I will keep you all updated though. If I should happen to walk down the aisle with this guy...I will let you know.
Another thing...
Last month I received a reading that seemed to trigger a hunch about something. Looking back at that reading now I'm not sure what exactly triggered the hunch. Anyway....I got it and it made me go back and ask if something had happened. (The thing I had the hunch about) The answer: 63, completed. As soon as I received that answer I suddenly had what seemed to be a clear "knowing". Very odd. I was 200% sure this thing had happened. I even called a friend and told her to be on the lookout. However, till now...nothing has happened. I found that very disturbing...UNLESS...it was a precognition about something that WILL happen in the future and the Yi was picking up on that. This is what caused the 63. I'd be curious to know if anyone else has had an experience like this with the Yi. I will keep you updated about this as well.
OK well...I guess I'm going to marry this man that I'm not in a relationship with
11.5 -> 5. Why did I ask? An odd hunch that SEEMS to be coming true.
I even did that Carol Anthony thing regarding verifying one's interpretation. Yes, I will marry him. Do I believe that? I don't think I do...no. Why? It's just a bit too unbelievable. I will keep you all updated though. If I should happen to walk down the aisle with this guy...I will let you know.
Another thing...
Last month I received a reading that seemed to trigger a hunch about something. Looking back at that reading now I'm not sure what exactly triggered the hunch. Anyway....I got it and it made me go back and ask if something had happened. (The thing I had the hunch about) The answer: 63, completed. As soon as I received that answer I suddenly had what seemed to be a clear "knowing". Very odd. I was 200% sure this thing had happened. I even called a friend and told her to be on the lookout. However, till now...nothing has happened. I found that very disturbing...UNLESS...it was a precognition about something that WILL happen in the future and the Yi was picking up on that. This is what caused the 63. I'd be curious to know if anyone else has had an experience like this with the Yi. I will keep you updated about this as well.
Val,
Given 11.5 -> 5 I asked,
"Give me a snapshot of my relationship with X a year from now"
(I had NOT asked this question previously)
Answer: 61.3
He finds a comrade.
Now he beats the drum, now he stops.
Now he sobs, now he sings.
Looking at the Wilhelm commentary the Yi appears to be saying that there will be a connection strong enough to flip me to and fro emotionally. Whether I view this as an affliction is up to me. Great.
Given 11.5 -> 5 I asked,
"Give me a snapshot of my relationship with X a year from now"
(I had NOT asked this question previously)
Answer: 61.3
He finds a comrade.
Now he beats the drum, now he stops.
Now he sobs, now he sings.
Looking at the Wilhelm commentary the Yi appears to be saying that there will be a connection strong enough to flip me to and fro emotionally. Whether I view this as an affliction is up to me. Great.
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Nope. The second hex is 9. "Dense clouds but no rain". Thoughts but no actualization. It's all in the mind.
And this sobbing and singing, hey! these thoughts are not even stable. Now you want him, now you don't. Ambivalence!
I suspect that 11.5 means that you will marry another prince, someone as yet unknown to you, probably.
And this sobbing and singing, hey! these thoughts are not even stable. Now you want him, now you don't. Ambivalence!
I suspect that 11.5 means that you will marry another prince, someone as yet unknown to you, probably.
So, I ask about one person and the Yi gives me an answer about someone else. OK. If that's the case...what's the value of the Yi? I mean, if you don't REALLY know what or who it's talking about...how can it help you?
Also, the 9 might be referring to an obstacle. In other words, it might NOT be all in the mind...but for some reason can't be FULLY realized. That makes just as much sense as your interpretation...yet the two seem to be quite different.
Also, the 9 might be referring to an obstacle. In other words, it might NOT be all in the mind...but for some reason can't be FULLY realized. That makes just as much sense as your interpretation...yet the two seem to be quite different.
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Well, that's how it is, oracle talk is kind of fuzzy. Like in a dream where a person that you meet might represent someone else.
And, also like with dreams, there are usually multiple interpretations possible.
The world that you enter when you use an oracle is very similar to the dream world.
And, also like with dreams, there are usually multiple interpretations possible.
The world that you enter when you use an oracle is very similar to the dream world.
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Yes, I think so, others can only offer suggestions. Ultimately it's the questioner (or the dreamer) who decides what an answer (dream) means for him or her.
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Hi Clarisa
I am posting across here as it seems more appropriate ? I had not seen this thread.
Being a cynic with an open mind is a modern somewhat fashionable thing in the West ? It is, I am afraid, also a contradiction in terms and is firmly rooted in the Renaissance schism of Heart mind / Cognitive Mind. This is not philosophical positioning on my part? a little study of modern physics will show how the two are relevant in a situation.
The Yijing seems to work if folk trust it? even a little. However to really make it work one needs to suspend ones cognitive mind and reach through ones inner world feeling for a connection. This cannot be done with a busy mind? If you had understood my post on the other thread you would see that.
This does not mean you have to abandon your brain and cognitive understanding? merely suspend it in order to test this? If you find this spot then you will not have to sit there working out the statistical likelihood that the answer was correct or not.
As in the example in the other thread you will have a very good sense of things happening elsewhere and will merely have to pick up the phone to the other to confirm what you already know.
I cannot say more? You have to find that connection for yourself or not?
It does take a lot of practice to make it strong and it does not always happen for me on that level.
--Kevin
I am posting across here as it seems more appropriate ? I had not seen this thread.
Being a cynic with an open mind is a modern somewhat fashionable thing in the West ? It is, I am afraid, also a contradiction in terms and is firmly rooted in the Renaissance schism of Heart mind / Cognitive Mind. This is not philosophical positioning on my part? a little study of modern physics will show how the two are relevant in a situation.
The Yijing seems to work if folk trust it? even a little. However to really make it work one needs to suspend ones cognitive mind and reach through ones inner world feeling for a connection. This cannot be done with a busy mind? If you had understood my post on the other thread you would see that.
This does not mean you have to abandon your brain and cognitive understanding? merely suspend it in order to test this? If you find this spot then you will not have to sit there working out the statistical likelihood that the answer was correct or not.
As in the example in the other thread you will have a very good sense of things happening elsewhere and will merely have to pick up the phone to the other to confirm what you already know.
I cannot say more? You have to find that connection for yourself or not?
It does take a lot of practice to make it strong and it does not always happen for me on that level.
--Kevin
"Being a cynic with an open mind is a modern somewhat fashionable thing in the West"
LOL That's true. Really, I know what you're saying. However, it's often very hard to suspend that way of thinking. I have always had that problem...of wanting to dissect everything.
On another note...
Since the general consensus is that asking too many questions makes things a bit murky....how much time do you believe one should put between questions on the same subject?
LOL That's true. Really, I know what you're saying. However, it's often very hard to suspend that way of thinking. I have always had that problem...of wanting to dissect everything.
On another note...
Since the general consensus is that asking too many questions makes things a bit murky....how much time do you believe one should put between questions on the same subject?
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Hmmm... If you found your connection you would know.
Rule of thumb as a 'get you by 'til then'... When you see or sense that that something in the situation has changed.
--Kevin
Rule of thumb as a 'get you by 'til then'... When you see or sense that that something in the situation has changed.
--Kevin