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Yasmin

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Over the years, a few lines have come up for me indicating some form of infidelity or third party in the background, something I needed to be aware of. I am a trusting person, and have never actually asked “is my partner cheating on me?”. These lines came up in times of unspecified anxiety, feeling something was not quite right but not knowing what. I just wanted to share!

62.3> 16: this was a memorable casting, because discovering the affair was the shock of my life. Blindsided doesnt begin to describe it. We were making plans for a future together and I was feeling in 16 mode, enthusiastically getting things organised. But my partner had mood swings, and litterally overnight fell madly in love with someone he had just met and did a 180 degrees turn on me. I found out later it’s called “splitting” behaviour, and it is traumatising for the recipient. That affair didn’t last, but the shock left me in physical and emotional pain for months, trying to figure out “who does that? How could I have missed the severity of his condition?” Questioning my reality, my discernment. It triggered massive shift in awareness for me. Now when I get this line, I take the warning extremely seriously, and if I can I RUN for the hills!

41.3, in any combination, I usually get it combined with 41.5> 9. I am tempted to read it as “Let this go, there is another person or you are out of the loop somehow, move on and find yourself a better partner. There are great blessings in store for you if you just let this go”. Well, in hindsight, for me, it has never resulted in meeting a new partner, and the blessings came in the form of increased awareness. If anyone has ever received this litterally meaning that they met another partner, I would love to hear about it! I have had unexpected blessings manifest in non Romantic castings though, in a business setting.

25.3>13, I got 25.3>13 when asking if Hilary Clinton would win, classic example. Until the last minute, everyone thought she was a shoo in... I often get it combined with 25.5 >30. Undeserved misfortune, someone else suddenly appeared in his life, nothing you can do about it, there is some psychological issue ailing your partner and the recovery has to come from within. When it turns to 30, I read it as “you have clarity on this matter, trust your intuition”. I have found the 25 warnings to be more philosophical for me “eh, you win some, you lose some”. Not as dramatic as 62.3.

Any other casts?
 

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When I got 8.4 I was asking about how to deal with strongly suspected infidelity between my boyfriend of 6 months & his former long-term girlfriend (which was later confirmed).

Cleary's, "Accord with one outside is right and bodes well." and Wu's "He gives his support to the exterior one. To be persevering will be auspicious." suggested to my mind to just accept it and I was open to that (no plans for marriage, children or even co-habitation so maybe I can just roll with it?) Things were ok again for awhile but it was the lies that I ultimately could not take any more. An open relationship requires honesty of all involved to work.

Anyway, it was one of those responses from the Yi that grate on the nerves, even though it rings true.
 

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Thanks Kristy, interesting. I usually read it as “express your feelings, loyalty, support openly” or “there is a public display of union” something like that. It had never occurred to me to read it as “he is having an external dalliance but if you persevere GF”. If any IChing translators come across this thread, I would be interested in their views:)
 

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I just thought of another one: 54, most lines. I cast that a few times when I was just beginning to date people, at a non exclusive stage, and it turned out they favoured someone else over me.
 

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Thanks yasmin for this interesting thread! All the casts you mentioned are super spot on, 54 in all its combinations being the most classic.

To add some more which can show infidelity towards a partner:

  • Line 12.3 - someone has secret 'food' wrapped up and secret and feels shame.
  • Line 17.4 - a player - many infidelities (lots of random followers).
  • Line 23:5 - a player - many infidelities (multiple court ladies).
  • Line 27.4 - a player - many infidelities (a hungry tiger hunting like a maniac).
  • Lines 31.3 - a player - many infidelities (going after the groin needs).
  • Line 33.3 - mentions concubine.
  • Line 40.2 - a player - many infidelities (lots of foxes in the field).
  • Line 45.1 - a player - many infidelities (comes up mainly for online dating).
  • 49 - another woman.
  • Line 50.2 - one of the two has 'food' elsewhere.
  • Line 51.6 - there's 'shock' and a marriage, but elsewhere (not for the querent).
  • Line 55.2 - a player - many infidelities (comes up mainly for online dating).
  • Line 56.5 - a one-night stand (so, not as bad as the rest, but still).
  • Line 57.4 - a player - many infidelities (hunts loads and succeeds).
  • Line 64.1 - a one-night stand and the straying partner feels shame (so, not as bad as the rest, but still).
  • Last but not least, ANY answer which sounds super lovey-dovey and sweet, while the querent knows for a fact that things are not lovey-dovey between themselves and the partner at the moment. For example, "how is the relationship between us now?", when it's actually bad right now, and you get something like 31 unchanging, or 19.2 > 24, or 61.2. That clearly shows that the other person is having a great time with someone else...
 

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Wow, Diamanda, thank you! Now that list gives me a lot of food for thought! I had never considered most of them under the angle of infidelity (but then my mind doesn’t naturally go there much anyway...)
How very interesting!
 

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It would be ludicrous to jump to the conclusion of infidelity for any casts unless one had an actual reason, that is evidence, factual evidence to do so.

I really think it is bad practice, unethical, to tell people in readings that their partner is being unfaithful because we don't know without evidence so have no business in saying so.


Last but not least, ANY answer which sounds super lovey-dovey and sweet, while the querent knows for a fact that things are not lovey-dovey between themselves and the partner at the moment. For example, "how is the relationship between us now?", when it's actually bad right now, and you get something like 31 unchanging, or 19.2 > 24, or 61.2. That clearly shows that the other person is having a great time with someone else...



Well of course it doesn't 'clearly show' anything ! You do need evidence, facts before jumping to conclusions about other's fidelity or otherwise.

I do think some of the things on Diamanda's list are far fetched to say the least !

I've seen so many times in SR where people are told their partners are unfaithful and I think without factual evidence from the querent that is bad practice. No one should pretend to know what a complete stranger's other half is doing, it's not fair to the other half and it's dishonest to say you know because you actually don't.
 

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It would be ludicrous to jump to the conclusion of infidelity for any casts unless one had an actual reason, that is evidence, factual evidence to do so.

I really think it is bad practice, unethical, to tell people in readings that their partner is being unfaithful because we don't know without evidence so have no business in saying so.

Obviously when we cite the examples that we do, Trojina, it means that in the end we DID get actual proof of the infidelity. The examples I cited were totally proven after the casts. Yes, I've been unlucky in my love life and I've lived to tell the tale :D Furthermore, this is a divination forum, not an evidence forum. In case you've missed that :rofl:
 

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Obviously when we cite the examples that we do, Trojina, it means that in the end we DID get actual proof of the infidelity. The examples I cited were totally proven after the casts. Yes, I've been unlucky in my love life and I've lived to tell the tale :D Furthermore, this is a divination forum, not an evidence forum. In case you've missed that :rofl:

Saying 'this is what it meant for me' is one thing but then generalising from that to the point where you assert infidelity is 'clearly' shown is another

Last but not least, ANY answer which sounds super lovey-dovey and sweet, while the querent knows for a fact that things are not lovey-dovey between themselves and the partner at the moment. For example, "how is the relationship between us now?", when it's actually bad right now, and you get something like 31 unchanging, or 19.2 > 24, or 61.2. That clearly shows that the other person is having a great time with someone else...


...it doesn't clearly show that, it could mean any number of things.

Furthermore, this is a divination forum, not an evidence forum. In case you've missed that

I know what kind of forum it is and I don't want it to be a place where the I Ching is used to make false 'predictions' of other people's infidelities. I have seen much of that in SR. I have also seen querents say 'no I don't think he has anyone else' and be told that he has.


Anyway you miss the point by saying 'it's not an evidence' forum. Divination doesn't consist of simply making wild guesses about what other people might be doing without an eye on the actual facts.

I mean seriously who is going to finish with their boyfriend because someone told them the I Ching says he is being unfaithful. No one would do that they would want some evidence.


This is an interesting thread in terms of understanding when the I Ching may be indicating others are being less than kind/honest/truthful. I could see Yasmin's initial examples - but saying 61.2 clearly shows he is with someone else just isn't true. It might have been true for you one time but that doesn't make it always the story with 61.2 if the relationship isn't so sweet.
 

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I can see how 17.4 could signal a player, someone who follows for less than honourable intentions. And the text does bode misfortune...
 

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I can see how 17.4 could signal a player, someone who follows for less than honourable intentions. And the text does bode misfortune...

Well it might if you were asking about someone else (I'd tend to take it I was the subject of the line) but at what point do you make a decision about someone and act on it ?

I doubt you would act on it until you had evidence of the person's infidelity. I mean you wouldn't just say 'hey the I Ching told me you were unfaithful so sod off' would you you would need some evidence.

It is interesting in hindsight to see what lines signified someone who was going to mess you around.

I agree 25.3 can show someone just found a shinier toy/person to play with so you get dumped.

I do find Diamanda's 45.1 for 'many infidelities' hard to take, it seems to have no connection to what the line says.
 

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Oh absolutely I agree Trojina, it all depends on context and what the question was. My reason for sharing those experiences is that I had never actually asked about infidelity, it had not even consciously crossed my mind. I had a feeling of unease, of vague distance. On the surface everything was apparently normal, but my intuition was telling me something was not quite right, without necessarily thinking it was infidelity. It could have been overwork, or depression or whatever.

And the questions were along the lines of “What do I need to know?” Or “Show me an image of what is going on between us” or even “Is there anything I can do to help this situation?”.
And in many cases those questions return helpful suggestions, like 27 nurturing, or 47 exhausted or 5 wait and see or 2 chill out, no need to do anything or one of the “don’t worry about it lines”. But when the lines from my experience turned up, it turned out to be the problem was some form of infidelity. Of course that is my personal shorthand. Actually 41.3 is rather explicit!

Anyway, I hope that novice readers don’t get spooked, I agree it is entirely circumstantial and needs to be weighed against reality. Perhaps the thread should bear a warning “Can be bad for your health if you have obsessive or suspicious tendencies” hah!
 

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PS sometimes it is preferable not to know... like maybe the partner takes a shine to a passenger on a plane, or someone he meets at a conference, but it remains in the realm of fantasy and he never acts on it, and it wears itself out quickly. It is harmless as long as you don’t know about it:)
 

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PPS your question when do you act on it? I would just take the casts under advisement, and keep it in mind that there could be something going on, or not. I would not make a big deal, or worry too much, but I would watch to see how the situation develops.

And if the uncomfortable feeling lasts or amplifies, I would just have a kind discussion with my partner. “Honey, I feel something is not quite right, is anything bothering you about us?”. In my personal experience, in a reasonably healthy relationship, based on mutual respect and genuine affection, they don’t look you in the eye and lie. If it’s something serious, they sort of crumble and confess.

That said, with an inveterate player, all bets are off!
 

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And the questions were along the lines of “What do I need to know?” Or “Show me an image of what is going on between us” or even “Is there anything I can do to help this situation?”...Anyway, I hope that novice readers don’t get spooked, I agree it is entirely circumstantial and needs to be weighed against reality.
Good point! These answers are about the things you needed to know about the relationship. That said, the interpretation could totally differ if you received the same lines for questions like "How should I act to find a partner?", "How to proceed in this relationship", "What happens if I call X" and so on.
 

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My two cents for this thread: you must remember that the responses are responses, not answers. They can always be indicating "don't ask me, ask him" or anything at all that you can or can't imagine. Whatever is responding to you is live and organic, not feeding you information from a script. I would be very hesitant to say that any particular casting is an indication of something in particular regardless of context, because the defining quality of any divination method is the incorporation of present context. That said, of course I've received 54 in these kinds of circumstances many times, but this could well have been instructing me not to use divination improperly. I also receive 54 for a lot of feverishly-asked or emotionally charged queries. Interesting ideas in this thread though.
 

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I always think of Wonder Woman, with her golden lasso of truth (written originally by the inventor of the lie detector, Wonder Woman also trained with a blind Chinese master named Master I Ching). There's an impulse to use our privileged access to truth (yi) on others, almost like it's a weapon or something to trap them with, but often by doing this we only trap ourselves.
 

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Philip, I actually don’t think that Yi helps us spy on another person’s private thoughts. My impression is that it doesn’t tell us anything that we have not already picked up on some unconscious level, it just helps make us more aware of it.
 

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Yes it seems that way to me too. I hope it didn't seem like I was accusing you of anything!! :)
 

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I opened a thread a month ago perhaps on the same question.
Couple of days ago I started suspecting some real affair was going on between my fiance and a "friend" of his. I cast the I ching and received 53 changing to 8. I accept condolences... and I'm super heartbroken
 

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