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By the strangest twist of fate, was invited to an event on my own and entirely by chance ended up at this gathering with the man I've been casting about on here over the past few months. Spent several of the most relaxed and interesting hours we've ever had and came home even more confused about moving away, or not, which i've considered after serious issues at my place of work last week. Have no idea how this evening sat with him but, to me, it was quite special.

I asked the IChing tonight, "What should I know about Xs feeling for me now?" I hope that's a legitimate enquiry and not too confusing question.

The casting was: Hexagram 35, changing lines 1 and 6. This becomes Hexgram 51. Sounds extremely wild to me. Hexagram 35, Progress, the first line means to me that you have, or will, come up against resistance time and time again. This might be the description of how things have gone thus far in this relationship? We seemed in the beginning to keep going back to square one like each meeting was the first. Sounds possible? Line six to me is the end of something halting that has gone into a full blown campaign, attacking with "horns"? Like a bull on a rampage? Could be good OR bad?

And this is changing to 51, which I used to think was dire, dangerous; but have come to look at as possibly exciting change, something that goes through a radical "earthshaking" process. So if I try to put this together, would I be safe in saying that tonight's gathering was experienced by him as a big change as well? Are we making progress here, as the first hexagram would indicate [at least on the face of it?]. Please contribute your two cents if you will. I'd love to have some indication from the IChing which way to head and, of course, I'd most like to think this relationship is going somewhere and the job issue isn't going to end up dictating my direction.

In case that's not the best question to ask, I also did this enquiry: "What is the potential of this relationship?" and I got Hexagram 49, moving lines 3 and 5; becoming Hexagram 51. WOW more shock. Sounds like the latest volcano. I think line 3 is about his attitudes and feelings needing to adjust, and maybe he's turned that corner. The fifth line seems to me like a confirmation that there is something here, at last, to believe in? And here's Hexgram 51 again. LOTS of shocks going on. But in this reading, a bit of a mystery again. Wonder what the shock's about exactly? Help. Help.
 
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Hi Arabella,
I'm not the most experienced reader, so not sure if I've got this right...but 35 seems to be talking about opportunities which are there to be grasped, and my impression is from your previous posts is that this man keeps crossing your path, so I wonder if there is something here about working out some way of taking the situation forward? You asked 'what do I need to know about his feelings...' rather than 'what are his feelings?' so maybe its telling you that there are feelings there and its up to you to make use of these opportunities, maybe to ask him how he feels about you? I was reading Lise on 35:
Prosperity does not arrive by itself, it visits the people with the right attitude. The one who always carries along arrows is probably the only one who comes home from a walk with a rabbit for dinner. The lord of Kang grasped the opportunity of a gift to breed a meadow full of horses. The first one who sees a gap in the market builds up the multinational.
Grasp the small chances, do not wait for the big one to arrive, stay alert with eyes and ears and hands ready, and a quiver filled with arrows.

35:1 seems to indicate that this will not be easy, that you might encounter resistance, and 35:6 feels like moving forwards sincerely with a real aim in mind will be without fault. I've never found 51 to be dire, more dramatic, it always reminds me of the death card in the tarot, big dramatic changes.
Like I said, no idea if that's right, hopefully others will chime in with more interpretations!!
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Edge, thank you for the thought you've put into this. Much appreciated. Hexagram 35 has always seemed to me a powerful force and I too had a look at LiSe [as always]. I like your ideas of what she is saying; they seems accurate to me. I keep hoping that this relationship will smooth out a bit as it's been very challenging but seems to have great promise in various ways. I, like you, am learning, but to me, what you are saying holds together. I'm always a bit shocked myself to see 51 turn up. And, to see it twice, seems very significant. Maybe someone will comment further here. Thanks!
 

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I asked the I Ching tonight, "What should I know about Xs feeling for me now?" 35.1,6 > 51

There you go, you seem to just keep meeting, either its fate or your town is incredibly small?

You asked about his feelings, and it suggests that they are both warm and passionate but again it shows that he is fearful of coming "out".
 

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Willow Fox, yes, I wouldn't keep on with this if I didn't have at true sense of its potential, that we have a common bond and really like each other. Infuriating. And I'm thinking this is represented in the lines for Hexgram 35, but I'm still stumped how to read Hexagram 51. What I know says that Hexagram 49 represents a revolutionary change. Was that the change I thought was happening tonight? And if that leads to hexagram 51, then aren't we into something new and maybe, finally, a dramatic transformation?
 

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I've never found 51 to be dire, more dramatic, it always reminds me of the death card in the tarot, big dramatic changes.

Hex 51 is not dire as it has a good ending but it is not like the Death card either, as Death indicates transformation, an ending and a new beginning. Hex 51 is similar in a way to the Tower, a sudden jolt.
 

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but I'm still stumped how to read Hexagram 51.

Look at what Hex 51 is made up of, thunder over thunder, don't look at the Judgement or Image as you want to know about feelings, and thunder is darn powerful, and full of energy, equate that with feelings, and you have a man with a lot of zip.
 

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"What is the potential of this relationship?" and I got Hexagram 49, moving lines 3 and 5; becoming Hexagram 51.

You have to get away from the continual chatting, as changes are now needed, perhaps the use of road signs would be a good idea, indicating what route you want him to take and then bingo, hand in the cookie jar.
 

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Road signs? Is this the hexagram 49, something revolutionary? No kidding, there is change called for here. And I thought tonight may have been an eye-opener for him for a couple reasons. But asking about "potential" I suppose this is only saying that potential is there, something COULD change, not that it has. Hexagram 35 points to something powerful that is already there, no? But how to tap that. Is this the question I need to ask? Or does the resultant hexagram 51 mean that some transformation is happening and I should let it play out?
 

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A potential is always just a potential unless you add another element into the mix, and that is what you need to do now, that is why Hex 49 is called revolution, as something dramatic needs to happen to push/force a change in him.

You changing to a tiger surely gives you an idea of what is needed now. A tiger is a predator, and some are "man-eaters".
 

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Assuming then that last night wasn't the "revolution" in question and supposeing that this revolution is something yet to be created I have asked the IChing "What do I need to do to create a positive revolution in this relationship." The reply from IChing: Hexagram 18, changing line 6, becoming Hexagram 46.

Ok changing line 6 -- Pray?

The changing line says, "No business Lords and Ministers. Rather honouring what is your highest business?" And this becomes positive rapid growth in Hexagram 46.

Or can this mean, as someone was suggesting earlier, make it clear I'm leaving because of work and general dissatisfaction and this might bring a response? Honestly, I don't like feeling that I'm virtually threatening somebody. I don't kow how real it is. Well maybe it IS real when I think that if he doesn't respond fairly soon, there's not a lot to keep me here.

Anyone have a clearer meaning in mind for 18.6 or thoughts on the earlier readings?
 
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I've researched the old threads on here about this last question and 18.6 in terms of relationships in general seems to mean to do your own business first. I'm asking specifically here what I should be doing to get the relationship moving, so I have to interpret with that in mind. So maybe just keep focusing on my own life and this will or won't get a life of its own?
 

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Based upon what is being discussed in the Moderation area, I'm wondering if threads are considered "dead" if they have received an immediately prescriptive reading such as Willow Fox has given?
 

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Based upon what is being discussed in the Moderation area, I'm wondering if threads are considered "dead" if they have received an immediately prescriptive reading such as Willow Fox has given?


I love it, Willow Fox the angel of death.:p
 

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No, Willow Fox, not about you in particular. But once there is a predictive post -- from anyone, a sort of pronouncement if you will, it seems the others are reticent to join in for reasons they've given on Moderation, so I'm asking. There could be other reasons.:)
 
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Arabella:
Perhaps you are not getting the response you wish for because you are continuing to ask very similar questions about your longed for relationship. { in thread after thread } Many, many people have answered you in depth and carried on long dialogues. Both Edge and WF have done so here. At some point, how much more is there to be said? How much more advice can be offered? Maybe it is time for you to take action -- in whatever way that seems appropriate to you.
Chushel
 

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Chushel, that is certainly a possibility. As conditions seem to alter I ask again, as I am very poised to try to get this as "right" as I can. Other areas of life I'm more comfortable just making a decision and charging forward. I appreciate your reply which may also relieve poor Willow Fox, whom I should have taken more care not to alarm. Much seems tenuous at the moment how to behave on the forum and maybe better to just listen for a while and see how it all settles out. Thanks again.
 

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Look again at line 49.5, you must be the person in charge, you need to be the revolutionary but you need to follow a prescribed path of change, and the sage of line 18.6 "knows" how to guide your man home by bending and twisting, changing his outlook from a hermit to a intimate friend.

You can no longer let things "be", if you want light then you need to press the switch, and the tiger is a predator.
 

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Hmmmmm. What is a chi lin, oh wiley one?

A big Chinese animal with horns and stuff, body of a horse and a head of a dragon and I have a very colourful model one on my desk watching what I am typing.

A sky beastie, just like Lord Star Fox
 

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Ok Willow Fox, I'm following along with what you are saying about 18.6 and it's making sense with what I'm reading, that you [the enquirer] are in charge, you have to take responsibility and be your own person as well. I see that. I fluctuate between feeling like I should do more and I'm just being a nuisance. But with him on the fence and no way off the fence, it would seem I have to DO something.

I realise such detailed questions may be fairly excrutiating and I also take on board what chushel is saying that it all gets tiresome for other people, especially as they aren't witnessing the slight alterations of circumstances that I am from meeting to meeting, nor do they especially care. But the aspect of this that is interesting in a general sense is what you can do about it and how it afffects the situation. Which, even if you ask the same question twelve times, the answers may be entirely different, the methods of enquirers and guidance are more to the point as an exercise. And the suggestions you've made -- have him over the dinner, and etc., which I wouldn't have had courage to do off my own bat -- have made a difference.

Going forward, I'm nearly out of original ideas and it's just serendipitous that we keep running into each other and spending hours together as a result.

Enquiry: Please clarify what action I should take in relation to X.

Casting: Hexagram 48, moving lines 2,3,5 becoming Hexagram 2

So this is the Well. Line two is worn and out and leaking. Him I presume since I am all light and glory. hahaha. Anyway, this well isn't useable, from what i gather. What can this mean I should DO however? Maybe just realise it's been dormant, out of use? He's out of practice with women?

Line three, hexagram 48, this well just isn't used, but is perfectly useable. Also him? He is a perfectly great person, very sociable. But I think swings between not wanting a relationship and wanting one. After all, it's work, and some type of commitment. Maybe needs convincing. So maybe there is some action called for here. Reassurance?

Line 5, the LiSe reading says not to TRY to find inspiration. Which sounds like, just be yourself? Keeping in mind this is a very competent businessman and beloved father of adult kids, just happens to be single again, I can't imagine him falling for anything trivial or contrived.

Hexagram 2, the outcome. This is receptivity and consistency I believe. The symbol of the mare, steady, strong, ongoing.

Here's an open invitation for someone to take this a step further. I'm asking what can I DO to make an impact and set this on new footing. Thank you for reading.
 

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Enquiry: Please clarify what action I should take in relation to X.

Casting: Hexagram 48, moving lines 2,3,5 becoming Hexagram 2

Line 48.2 This I would presume is you, you have "talents" to entice but you are not using them to your own advantage, so Mr.X just drifts off after you chats.

Line 48.3 This is Mr.X, he's standing around waiting but you don't do anything except look at him, so this is saying its time to get intimate.

Line 48.5 Put thoughts into action.

Hex 2 The action of the horse is devotion and to follow, the horse never flags in its efforts, so there is a need for commitment and supportiveness. Hex 2 the mother.
 

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This is terrific that you explain each line. I know you just jump into interpretation mode through experience and have an overall impression, but I will never learn more that way, so it's great to have the insight of what you are seeing.

In an earlier reading, you had said that this situation is likely to move forward in April/May so I'm especially anxious to contribute whatever I should to the situation now when it may matter most. Many thanks.
 

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