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A couple of days ago I suddenly thought it strange not to see my gorgeous eighty-nine-year-old neighbour Rose (not her real name) pottering around in her garden, despite it being her favourite kind of a morning: jonagold-crisp, dazzlingly bright. So I went downstairs and knocked on her door... Unfortunately, she had suffered a stroke and is now at a hospital, still unconscious. No visitors. And people - other neighbours, Rose’s children – they’re all walking around shaking their heads and sucking on their teeth, like they are the ones in the know and as if Rose is already dead. Which is why I thought of taking the matter to Yi. All I said was, ‘Rose?’ And his answer came as 1.1.2.3>12

To address the most obvious part of Yi’s answer, well I’m sure many of us had received Hexagram 12 as a relating hexagram once or twice and we’re still very much alive and kicking. It is more Hexagram 1, and its changing lines, that I would appreciate your thoughts on.

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It's not clear what you want to know ? You may know but I don't. Are you asking if she will die ?

I've always wondered what teeth sucking was ?
 

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It looks to me as if the task here is the inner has to change to accommodate the outer, there's no give on the outer trigram it's all in the inner trigram.

Yang 11 yin pattern 12 it's a big theme, the flow of life the stopping of the flow. That's not to say she will die, there is no reading we can point to as death. People cast different answers when they ask about death. I think Hilary had 1uc around the time her dad died (I could be wrong) I had 62uc when asking about the sudden death of a man I'd only met the previous day.

At her age her family will be thinking that it could be the end, that's only natural. Do I detect a slight note of disapproval of them ? I can't exactly work out your mood in your post but there is something of a mood, it seems slightly as if you want to rebel against those other people you speak of ? Or it may just be you are upset as you are fond of her.


It could look the the Creative (1)is bringing a Dead End (12) after all 12 is part of life. If this answer were about how you deal with it, if it were advice for you not sure, it looks a fairly dramatic pattern doesn't it, there's no arguing with it, to me it looks like a fairly clear cut off between the inner and outer trigrams with all the changes lines in the lower.

I don't really know what your answer means though despite getting something of a feel I don't actually know what it means.
 
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I always see Hexagram 1 as Creative energy which I guess could be the Creation of Heaven in this instance.
Line 1 - She can't move but noone seems to recognise she knows what's going
Line 2 - She's in and out of consciousness
Line 3 - She is restless because she understands it may be the' Dawning of Time' for her
 

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I think Hilary had 1uc around the time her dad died (I could be wrong)
That's right. His death was completely unexpected, so I'd been asking about something wholly unrelated, and couldn't see how the 1uc could apply to it at all. Then I got the news and the reading started speaking to me about the persistence of spirit without the body.

I run the local club for survivors of stroke - most of them with aphasia - and 12 is reminding me very strongly of how one man describes the experience. 'Boom,' he says, banging his hand on the table. 'Gone.' And the others nod, knowing exactly what he means: something disconnected, something stopped working, and that was that. Now, they have to use all their ingenuity to find ways round the breach.

1 and 12... the spirit persisting through the disconnection of stroke?
 

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It's not clear what you want to know ? You may know but I don't. Are you asking if she will die ?

I've always wondered what teeth sucking was ?
Sorry about the lack of clarity, Trojina. Guess I didn’t dare to ask openly, ‘Will Rose die?’ So I just presented her to Yi, as if for inspection. She did die, a week or so later. The funeral was last Friday. I feel she’s at peace now, but was perhaps fighting her condition in the days that followed the stroke, as she laid unconscious in the hospital bed.

By "sucking one’s teeth” I meant making that high-pitched whistling sound, usually by sucking on either side of clenched teeth whilst simultaneously exposing them by raising the upper lip. Usually indicates resignation or disapproval. Not to be confused with “kissing one’s teeth."
 

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It looks to me as if the task here is the inner has to change to accommodate the outer, there's no give on the outer trigram it's all in the inner trigram.

Yang 11 yin pattern 12 it's a big theme, the flow of life the stopping of the flow. That's not to say she will die, there is no reading we can point to as death. People cast different answers when they ask about death. I think Hilary had 1uc around the time her dad died (I could be wrong) I had 62uc when asking about the sudden death of a man I'd only met the previous day.

At her age her family will be thinking that it could be the end, that's only natural. Do I detect a slight note of disapproval of them ? I can't exactly work out your mood in your post but there is something of a mood, it seems slightly as if you want to rebel against those other people you speak of ? Or it may just be you are upset as you are fond of her.


It could look the the Creative (1)is bringing a Dead End (12) after all 12 is part of life. If this answer were about how you deal with it, if it were advice for you not sure, it looks a fairly dramatic pattern doesn't it, there's no arguing with it, to me it looks like a fairly clear cut off between the inner and outer trigrams with all the changes lines in the lower.

I don't really know what your answer means though despite getting something of a feel I don't actually know what it means.
That is a very interesting reply - then again, death is an interesting thing. Thank you.

By the way, you were spot on - I did want to rebel against the people I spoke of (it’s a reflex I’m trying to tame). But how could you tell that I do not know.:spinning:
 

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That's right. His death was completely unexpected, so I'd been asking about something wholly unrelated, and couldn't see how the 1uc could apply to it at all. Then I got the news and the reading started speaking to me about the persistence of spirit without the body.

I run the local club for survivors of stroke - most of them with aphasia - and 12 is reminding me very strongly of how one man describes the experience. 'Boom,' he says, banging his hand on the table. 'Gone.' And the others nod, knowing exactly what he means: something disconnected, something stopped working, and that was that. Now, they have to use all their ingenuity to find ways round the breach.

1 and 12... the spirit persisting through the disconnection of stroke?
Thank for that share, Hilary. I am sorry to learn about your father.

I have learned not to go to Yi with a question (unless it’s a burning, all-consuming one) before giving Yi the chance to tell me how it is. In other words, the first casting is about listening. The second about asking. Often, there is no need for the second casting.
 

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Thanks for updating, Grace, and I'm sorry to hear about Rose.
 

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By the way, you were spot on - I did want to rebel against the people I spoke of (it’s a reflex I’m trying to tame). But how could you tell that I do not know.:spinning:


No mystery, it was this sentence

And people - other neighbours, Rose’s children – they’re all walking around shaking their heads and sucking on their teeth, like they are the ones in the know and as if Rose is already dead.

There's a certain defiance there and people generally can get defiant about death.

By "sucking one’s teeth” I meant making that high-pitched whistling sound, usually by sucking on either side of clenched teeth whilst simultaneously exposing them by raising the upper lip. Usually indicates resignation or disapproval. Not to be confused with “kissing one’s teeth."

I hope Rose can forgive me dwelling on this in her thread but I have never seen such a thing in my life, I can't even do it. How can people make whistling sounds by sucking on each side of clenched teeth ? Then they raise their upper lip ? Sounds complicated.

BTW this phrase 'he sucked his teeth' is a long standing puzzle for me and google doesn't help. I wonder how Rose would put it ?


You're clearly very fond of Rose, you didn't want her to go ! I love the name Rose.
 

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