Connecting with a friend

[ragini]

I have a friend with whom I share a rather soulful (and friendly) connection when we meet.

I often get the feeling that we are kindred souls trying to make our way in this world. I asked the ichng if I can try and connect to this friend more and if we would continue to share this sort of connection.

The Yi replied with 58.1 -> 47

58.1 seems to suggest well, but I am a bit confused about the meaning to 47 in this context. Can anyone please help me understand.

Thanks

 

[precision grace]

What an interesting question and reading.

47 The well speaks of the limitless supply, so overall I'd say that your reading is saying that yes, you definitely can continue to share the sort of connection you have with your friend. (what is stopping you, I wonder)

 

[Trojina]

What an interesting question and reading.

47 The well speaks of the limitless supply, so overall I'd say that your reading is saying that yes, you definitely can continue to share the sort of connection you have with your friend. (what is stopping you, I wonder)

The well does yes but thats hexagram 48 not hexagram 47 which is pretty much not a 'limitless supply'

The reading was 58>47 not 58>48

 

[Trojina]

I have a friend with whom I share a rather soulful (and friendly) connection when we meet.

I often get the feeling that we are kindred souls trying to make our way in this world. I asked the ichng if I can try and connect to this friend more and if we would continue to share this sort of connection.

The Yi replied with 58.1 -> 47

58.1 seems to suggest well, but I am a bit confused about the meaning to 47 in this context. Can anyone please help me understand.

Thanks

its a simple reading...yes connect. 47 may be the down feeling that hold you back...but 58.1 is the imprtant bit here IMO

 

[precision grace]

ops! mea maxima culpa *mucho blushero*

should I delete my posts now? Am I creating confusion? The weird thing is , I had written this whole passage about 47 being about obstacles holding back the expression of 58.1 and then a voice in my head said, but no, The well is limitless, there are no obstacles. Where the heck did I get this well from? Except that it follows 47 so maybe you need to get from 47 to 48 to have a free exchange of this contact..

*one can explain oneself out of any trouble if one would only try*

 

[rodaki]

I have a friend with whom I share a rather soulful (and friendly) connection when we meet.

I often get the feeling that we are kindred souls trying to make our way in this world. I asked the ichng if I can try and connect to this friend more and if we would continue to share this sort of connection.

The Yi replied with 58.1 -> 47

58.1 seems to suggest well, but I am a bit confused about the meaning to 47 in this context. Can anyone please help me understand.

Thanks

47 can be about unvoiced/excluded thoughts, fears of rejection, or it can even refer to a non positive outcome . . Still, 58.1 is about expressing yourself because you find satisfaction and joy, or relief, in doing so, without adding any more expectations on the outcome

 

[anon]

I think that 47 is describing how you feel right now, the cautious hesitation to continue but 58.1 talks about joyful exchange.

 

[white owl]

I have recieved this hex configuration before a couple of times & each time I recall it has been one of a long exhale into relaxation. It is a feeling that to me is often like cooking a large family holiday dinner, or preparing for a special date and its at the end of the meal or at the end of the date where you feel confident that things did go well. Now you take a deep breath in & than a deep breath out & u relax into the moment of peace.

 

[anemos]

The Yi replied with 58.1 -> 47

I had this reading just yesterday while struggling to finish a paper. For two days the progress was very slow and my wish to be perfect didn't help at all. When I asked I felt very 47, but looking at 58.1 made me smile. The freedom to be self-contented and the resulted joy. It helped me to accept my limitations and see them in the paper but for the time being its the best i can do or have

I send it to a friend to read it and give me some feedback and although I mentioned those weaknesses this came from a 58.1 place.

Have a good time with your friend

 

[chingching]

There is a great post of rodaki's on 47 (and 64) I cant remember how I found it, but the ideas in there about 47 are nourishing.

58.1, coming together with friends as a means to exit oppression or maybe a way to contain and harness the dormant water of the marsh. water and lake. The advice in this reading is with 47, to be noble act with high mind, or I suppose it could do the opposite all that joyous exchange could just drain into the marsh. but with one line changing and it being auspicious it doesn't seem like much of a danger.

I'd been getting 47 a lot lately (oh I love this new spell check) and as soon as I embodied more noble qualities, committed, dignified I experienced a great feeling of expansion within boundaries/containment. (That's putting it broadly as there were a few different experiences that I had.)

 

[ragini]

ops! mea maxima culpa *mucho blushero*

should I delete my posts now? Am I creating confusion? The weird thing is , I had written this whole passage about 47 being about obstacles holding back the expression of 58.1 and then a voice in my head said, but no, The well is limitless, there are no obstacles. Where the heck did I get this well from? Except that it follows 47 so maybe you need to get from 47 to 48 to have a free exchange of this contact..

*one can explain oneself out of any trouble if one would only try*

No problems... there is no confusion. Thanks for your help. I did not understand one thing you mentioned though.

You talk about moving from 47 to 48. Can you please explain what that means...

 

[precision grace]

No problems... there is no confusion. Thanks for your help. I did not understand one thing you mentioned though.

You talk about moving from 47 to 48. Can you please explain what that means...

well I don't know if I am talking utter nonsense (most probably) but 47 and 48 are a pair (see more about pairs here: http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2005/10/15/looking-at-hexagram-pairs/) so I guess the way my hind brain was looking at it is that at present, you have a limitation/obstruction of 47 getting in the way of 58.1 (contented joy) but if you flip 47 you get 48 - limitless supply, the well (of course, the well itself has that whole thing where you can slip back into 47 if your implements for drawing water are not in good working order). I've probably confused you way more now.

OK, try again. You wouldn't have asked if you could continue this connection (58.1) if there wasn't something (47) that was in a way. So to overcome this problem (47) flip it on its head (to 48).

I don't know if this is right at all. Hopefully somebody who knows about this stuff will come along and correct me. Maybe you don't need to worry about 48 at all. I don't know why I even mentioned it. The voice in my head made me!

 

[ragini]

its a simple reading...yes connect. 47 may be the down feeling that hold you back...but 58.1 is the imprtant bit here IMO

Thanks trojan. That was very helpful. I think you may be right about 47 being the down feeling. I spent some time reading around this site, and I am realizing that the second hexagram does not always indicate the outcome, but could also be the context in which the first hexagram is set. Is this always the case, or are there cases where the 2nd hexagram could indicate the outcome.

 

[ragini]

I had this reading just yesterday while struggling to finish a paper. For two days the progress was very slow and my wish to be perfect didn't help at all. When I asked I felt very 47, but looking at 58.1 made me smile. The freedom to be self-contented and the resulted joy. It helped me to accept my limitations and see them in the paper but for the time being its the best i can do or have

I send it to a friend to read it and give me some feedback and although I mentioned those weaknesses this came from a 58.1 place.

Have a good time with your friend

"The freedom to be self contented and the resulting joy" - that is so nice

 

[ragini]

OK, try again. You wouldn't have asked if you could continue this connection (58.1) if there wasn't something (47) that was in a way. So to overcome this problem (47) flip it on its head (to 48).

I don't know if this is right at all. Hopefully somebody who knows about this stuff will come along and correct me. Maybe you don't need to worry about 48 at all. I don't know why I even mentioned it. The voice in my head made me!

Thanks for sharing. It's a very interesting thought... flip the problem on it's head. Definitely good advise for the real world, but I am still interested in knowing how this works in the context of the IChing.

 

[Trojina]

Thanks trojan. That was very helpful. I think you may be right about 47 being the down feeling. I spent some time reading around this site, and I am realizing that the second hexagram does not always indicate the outcome, but could also be the context in which the first hexagram is set. Is this always the case, or are there cases where the 2nd hexagram could indicate the outcome.

The second hexagram may contain elements of the outcome but so will the primary hexagram. How can they not. I don't see answers so much as linear...its more kinda ball shaped IMO.

How you see the second hexagram is a matter of preference. I personally find it pretty nonsensical though to think 58.1 would mean the outcome would be 47. And as i said many times before my own understanding of answers improved alot once i dropped the idea that the 2nd hexagram=the future. The I Ching isn't like a tarot spread with fixed meaning positions in layout, so you will come to get your own idea of how the 2nd hexagram tends to work for you. For me generally it shows the context, the situation, the backdrop to the primary hexagram...and of course backdrops and contexts necessarily will hold clues to the future but I see the actual future and advice for that much more in the moving lines than the 2nd hexagram