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sitara

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In hundreds, maybe thousands of incidents, i am being constantly attacked and confronted by men of Islamic origin. Usually it takes place in a supermarket. They put you down, scream at you, make aggressive and confrontational comments. Tonight I let a woman go ahead of me in line at the supermarket and two men began berating and insulting me. I mean outrageous insults, totally uncalled for. Some women, also of Maghrébine origin joined in and it became a sort of bloodbath. I decided to call the supermarket: LIDL. But they were already closed. In this country, most supermarkets only hire people of Maghrébin/Arab origin, rarely other ethnicities or cultural groups. Just bizarre to do things this way. Isn’t that a form of racism? Anyway, their anger and abuse is very stressful. It’s like they’re pouring hate on me. Really, both I and the woman were ahead of them - so letting her go ahead of me did not cause their wait to increase in any way at all. Yet there was an orgy of violent insults and aggressions. I am being systematically destroyed by these people who are very misogynistic, very proactive. The women who joined seem to despise other women and to wish to crush them. I have always tried to be a friend to the Islamic faith and have never tolerated Islamophobia.
I asked “what is my future with the Islamic people in this country?”: I got Hexagram 57.5->18
How much harm has this constant abuse down to me?
Hexagram 6.1.2.4.5->27
I take 6 to be harsh, stalker type abusive people which is what I do encounter here. There is no calming these people. There is no possibility of appeasement.
What should I do about the constant onslaught of abuse and aggression by Islamic men and women? (Mostly men)
Hexagram 53.1.3.4.5->21
Does these mean that I should get the police involved?

I am not sure what to do. I’m encountering massive amounts of hate here. They don’t even want you to relax or smile. Really toxic, hate driven people. Cowards too, cuz they never bother men, just young women, women with babies.
 
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sitara

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Hi Olga
I’m avoiding being precise about my location because I don’t want any trouble or reprisals. Do you have any insight on these readings?
 

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I would just suggest to not think of them as a community, they are people.
Although having lived in France for a while, I know what you mean.
As a woman it is terrible and the only thing we have to define them is Islamic.

But it s temporary
It s just a matter of education into equality and respect and other standards of our society.
A problem you initially have with all immigrants moving into a new community, independently of their origins or religion.

Also, it happens to me to just attract what I think about all the time and what issues I have problems with.
If you keep bumping into them there could be a reason.
 
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I asked “what is my future with the Islamic people in this country?”: I got Hexagram 57.5->18

Could you help me understand your question? It is unintelligible to me.

Whatever you meant, the answer is saying that your regrets on the topic will pass (after you make a reform of some kind. )
That's not me saying it, it is what the reading says.
 
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Well:
There is something toxic going on here in this country and it’s only occurring in relation with a certain group of people: Islamic males. So, my question to the I Ching was pretty much a request to expose to me what is going on here with this cultural/ethnic group. What is likely to be going on based on these well established facts: A large percentage of Islamic males appear to prey upon and beat down woman of various cultures and ethnicities, not just their own. This can be very shocking, disorienting and brutal or sometimes subtle. I’d like to understand what is occurring on the level visible to the I Ching.
What is my future with these people?
See above.
Why do these men keep disrespecting me?
12.1.6->17
Line 1
'Pulling up thatch grass, roots entangled, with more of its kind.
Constancy, good fortune. Creating success.'

Line 6
'Overturning the block.
Before, blocked. Afterwards, rejoicing.'

Really, I am very concerned. And ignoring a wild predator does not make it go away.
 
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BTW Moss Elk
If you had read the title and read the statement, i am sure you would have been able to understand what the nature of this post is. It’s about violence and danger. Now it’s my turn to say that you are unintelligible to me. Why do you extract one tiny portion of a post and declare it unintelligible when the title clearly declares what is at hand here. This is a serious matter where violence and death are entirely possible. I was hoping that a compassionate and insightful person might respond in sincerity.
 

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Why do you extract one tiny portion of a post and declare it unintelligible...

One tiny portion?
I extracted your question.
Most would say I focused on the important part.


And yes, I do judge it as a lousy question.
Have you seen a line that could define all possible interaction that you might have with a population of thousands of people? I haven't seen such a line.

The reading was giving advice to you.
It's up to you now to understand what you should reform within or about you.
 

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Sitara, if one of us asks for some clarification or explanation, it's not an attack on you, it's just because we don't understand something. You're trying to explain a complicated, long-standing situation to strangers, which can be frustrating.
 

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OK 18 as the relating hexagram seems to me to signify that you are being confronted with something rotten, or toxic within your society.
If you were to see the behaviour of the misogynist men (and women) as a symptom then the rot or decay is somewhere else, maybe systemic?

I have had trouble in my local area (An Irish town) with settled travellers (Irish Gypsies). I've had cars burnt out, windows broken, kids toys stolen, my kids have been bullied and physically attacked. Yet I have traveller friends! (but I am a bit different, a bit of a hippy, with no family nearby). It is a case of a few families giving a bad name to a whole community .
Things are quiet now because I went to the police after my daughter was hit (walking with her bf). I had not believed that the police would do anything, but actually they were very supportive to her, they engaged the community Garda to talk to the family, and they followed up also.

I don't know what the situation is in your country, but I'm sure you could report the incident in the supermarket to the police?
There was abuse, threats, harassment?

Another thing, next time you are in a situation where you are getting abuse, you could take out your phone and pop the camera and start videoing.
Get faces..the police might know them.
If that is dangerous, or not legal, then make a note of appearances, try to catch names.
There is usually a ring-leader, one sets the rest off.

So I would ask you (thinking of the pervasive wind, influence of 57) how is this being dealt with in your country?
Are people standing back, being quiet during these attacks?
Are you shopping or living in an area that has a lot of this population?

See, reflecting on my experience, the travellers that gave me trouble are from certain families that are loud and bullying, and have more money - but they bully their own much worse. (I knew of a young treveller woman who had to hide and keep moving because she had 2 children with a dark skinned Brazilian man - her own male family harassed and beat and abused her and him, then he fled the country and she was on her own, constantly moving, hiding)

And I wonder if this keeps crossing your path because there are people within the immigrant community who you could help?
Or some group who works with these kinds of very vulnerable people?

There is usually some kind of organisation that is like a support and liase or interface?

I also know of people who worked travellers ( my own mother is one of them) initially they got 'tried' or tested, and trouble, then over time, after gaining the trust of different community members, then had a better reception from the 'louder' ones.

I am not condoning their behaviour, or dismissing the threat of violence at all. I understand, it is quite frightening!

Just thinking on Line 5:
Nine in the fifth place means:perseverance brings good fortune.Remorse vanishes.Nothing that does not further.No beginning, but an end.Before the change, three days.After the change, three days.Good fortune.

Stand your ground, be determined to see what this is really about, be determined to resolve this for yourself.
(whatever this resolution may be).

And give it some time too.
 

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What is my future with these people?
57.5 Gentle Influence allows sharing of perspectives..
..which leads to...
18. Healing.

Why do these men keep disrespecting me?
12. 1 You are targeted as one of a large disrespected group (women).
12.6 You are experiencing a spiritual test. Remember, "When they go low, we go high."
...and so it Follows...
17. At night the superior man turns everything over to God and sleeps well.
 

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Michelle Obama. It's a comment she made during the election campaign last year when she was asked how she managed to keep her cool.
 
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Dear EmMacha
I am so deeply touched by your response. First by the kindness and warmth and then by the realization that the dysfunction going on in France would be incomprehensible to people outside of France. Your suggestions made a lot of sense. But France is a dystopia compared to where you live and none of your civilized solutions could be applicable here. So I’m tearfully realizing how far I have strayed from normal lifestyle and healthy thinking/behavior
First this is an ongoing pervasive situation that is accepted because it only takes place where the predators feel safe that they can get away with it. So it’s not occurring in chic and upscale areas. They go after the poor and middle class. They operate in urban areas, in housing projects.

Secondly, social interactions between men and women can be far more brutal than in America. They don’t seem to know any better. Often, insulting girls is their way of coming on to them. French women have been socialized to accept this.

Thirdly, here in France people in general and women in particular are extremely passive when confronted with threatening situations. People are fearful. Their response is: as long as it’s not me. So suffering in silence is quite common.

The Islamic problem is vast, complex and ubiquitous. There are serious anger and hate issues, there is a problem with jealousy of the dominant French culture, there’s a ferocious need to dominate physically, there are issues with violence, problems of separatism. But more than anything this is a will to crush women, to humiliate and sexualize them: especially if they are not of the Islamic faith.

On a hourly basis, there are brutalizations everywhere - especially in public transportation, schools, playgrounds and supermarkets: communal areas. Women have reported that 80% have been subjected to some form of sexual assault in public transportation. For me, these aggressions are due to the predator like atmosphere created by these constant belittling agressions. Men of other ethnicities are emboldened to attack women in France. There is no real censure of misogynist actions by any social group, not by the police, not by any women’s groups, nobody. It’s a paradise for sexual predators as the police do nothing. In any case they’re so brutish and scary that no one reports to them anyway. The police themselves have been known to rape prople!

There’s also the fact that for most of the offenses being committed, you can’t report it to anyone because it’s not a “real” crime (It’s a délit) and the woman who are victims are powerless and sometimes enablers or complicit. Maghrébins women also defend their brothers and sons etc. So you could end up getting killed reporting something.

In response the French tend to be more likely to dislike and reject Islamic people. They do mean stupid things like serve only pork in charitable situations so that poor Muslims can’t benefit. So mean and silly. I’ve been longing to come home. where the men pull your chair out for you, help you with your coat and hold doors open for you. Seems like paradise now...

I hope this long post hasn’t offended anyone. This is my first hand, personal experience not the result of ill will.
 
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Thank you EmMacha for this incredibly compassionate and articulate response. Unfortunately, this is a rather dark situation that can not be remedied through appeasement. I don’t know whether you are a woman or not, but everyday I am more and more grateful for women and to have been born a woman. It can be so lovely and wonderful. Sad to see men getting more and more trapped in brutality, violence and domination. The reality is that, as I try less and less to fit in, and conform more and more to my inner truth, these types of people are utterly cowed. It’s about healing and gaining strength, I think. But still, it’s a slow process. I had hoped to gain strength from this forum (even if only a little) and thought I never would. But lo! I have been getting stronger and stronger despite the odds and my enemies are weakened in comparison! Sorry I didn’t respond earlier, my phone chargers are all shredded. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And Happy Year!
 

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