couch 64.2.3-56

[Grandma]

I want to buy a couch from the thrift store but I am not sure if it will fit through my apartment door
i got 64.2.3-56
I also have to get some moving people to help me w/in 3 days
so I think they answer could be referring to having to get help also
but not sure if line 3 is saying to get a different couch


Six in the third place means:
Before completion, attack brings misfortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

...If one should attempt to force it, disaster would result, because
collapse would then be unavoidable. What is to be done? A new situation
must be created; one must engage the energies of able helpers and in this
fellowship take the decisive step-cross the great water. Then completion will
become possible.

I really like this couch though!

 

[chingching]

..If one should attempt to force it, disaster would result, because
collapse would then be unavoidable.

Well that's just common sense. You can always get it in, I have lived in some many places of all sizes and usually always borrowed or found furnitutre so always fitting odds shapes through doorways, there is always a way.

May I ask why you want to ask an oracle about this? I don't mean to sound disapproving but it just seems like such an easy thing to figure out, especially if you are getting moving guys, they'll know what to do.

but it terms of the reading I I agree with what you've said, I don't think you've missed anything. And yes to both of your interpretations for line 3 too.

64 - its something you haven't done before
line 2 - sloooowly does it
line 3 - don't underestimate the challenge book the movers a bit earlier so you have lots of time
56 - this couch doesn't fit, but if its handled the right way and is courteous to the door you will enjoy the small success of getting into your apartment, keep at it!

(I once hauled a couch over a balcony with a rope )

56 may also be you needing to be really patient and polite with the people helping you, or maybe that's how they will be, if anyone does anything wrong deal with it swiftly as with congeniality.

One thing about the traveller that I don't always remember to think about when I get 56 is how when you meet people in a 56 way its not just being polite but to do it really well you just let your barriers down and connect with people on a common level that is on the level where we are all the same and where we can all relate to each other, and because you move on from that person there is no hurt or sadness for no continuing connection, it is what it is and it can be really lovely. A stranger is a friend you haven't met (a dont necessarily have to see ever again)

 

[Lavalamp]

Oh come on!
Get a tape measure and measure the thing, and the access. Even a piece of string or something.

Buying (attack) without doing that would be unfortunate, if you can't get in the place.
I did that once, and had to take out a second floor _window_ to get the convertible couch in that apartment. Not fun, hoisting it up with a rope and in the apartment window, and you have to take it out the same way...

 

[Trojina]

Well that's just common sense. You can always get it in, I have lived in some many places of all sizes and usually always borrowed or found furnitutre so always fitting odds shapes through doorways, there is always a way.(I once hauled a couch over a balcony with a rope )

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No you can't always get it in and no there isn't always a way. I had to send a couch back last year as the doorway and stairs were too narrow and I don't have a balcony or big window. The couch was just too big for the entrance so yes there are limitations. If my maths had been better I may have been able to figure it out before hand, but even with use of a tape measure and much discussion in the shop actually I really couldn't tell especially as theres a sharp bend in the staircase as I live upstairs. The sellers couldn't tell either they said without trying it...but you know some things obviously just won't fit

Actually it wasn't the entrance itself that was too small , it was the hallway and the twist from the hallway to the stairs....thats quite hard to calculate how something will manouvre there, even for expereinced furniture delivery people....thats what they said anyway

 

[Trojina]

I want to buy a couch from the thrift store but I am not sure if it will fit through my apartment door
i got 64.2.3-56
I also have to get some moving people to help me w/in 3 days
so I think they answer could be referring to having to get help also
but not sure if line 3 is saying to get a different couch


Six in the third place means:
Before completion, attack brings misfortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

...If one should attempt to force it, disaster would result, because
collapse would then be unavoidable. What is to be done? A new situation
must be created; one must engage the energies of able helpers and in this
fellowship take the decisive step-cross the great water. Then completion will
become possible.

I really like this couch though!

I'm not sure what this answer means frankly. My only way around your dilemma is the thrift shop I bought from offered me a full refund if it didn't fit and they took it away . Afterall you don't want to be left with the couch in the street and no way of moving it.

I discussed it for ages with the shop, told them of my worries it wouldn't fit....and even they said even with a tape measure etc you couldn't tell if it would fit sometimes until you got there. main problem being twists in staircases etc and they were experienced furniture deliverers

Eventually I did get one that fitted from them. The smallest couch in Britain I think

 

[Trojina]

I want to buy a couch from the thrift store but I am not sure if it will fit through my apartment door
i got 64.2.3-56
I also have to get some moving people to help me w/in 3 days
so I think they answer could be referring to having to get help also
but not sure if line 3 is saying to get a different couch


Six in the third place means:
Before completion, attack brings misfortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

...If one should attempt to force it, disaster would result, because
collapse would then be unavoidable. What is to be done? A new situation
must be created; one must engage the energies of able helpers and in this
fellowship take the decisive step-cross the great water. Then completion will
become possible.

I really like this couch though!

actually you may not need to piddle about with the lines for such a basic question...if you take the over view the sentence the 2 hexagrams make it would be "the travelling stranger , ie the couch (56) is not there yet (64)" which seems a fairly good omen that the stranger is going to come...However how long will it stay for that is the question.

Line 2 shows wheels dragged back ? Does this couch have wheels ? Could show alot of huffing and puffing. Line 3 its good to make the transition, to cross the water but not to try to go on expeditions to get things done


Hmmmm you don't have a piano do you ? Each time I try to think of a couch a piano comes up in my head. Trying to think of the couch in line 3 terms I was just thinking you might have to re arrange alotof other things around it...and the traveller in 56 is meant to fit in with his surrounding unobtrusively. Yet I don't know how unobtrusive this traveller will be in terms of the other furniture

I am now thinking of the other furniture as animated......will they get along with the new couch !?



i think the piano comes from association with this song from my childhood, heard it other day


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5XX9LX2es4

 

[answeredquestions]

Hi Susan,

::My Interpretation::

I'm assuming the question was "Will the couch fit thru the door" or something like that.

You seem to be the fox in 64, not sure of committing to the journey. The journey of purchasing and trying out the entrance fit.

Line 2 seems to be saying that it was good fortune for you to be holding back on your purchase. At least to figure out if the couch will fit before just buying it up. Slowing down the process.

Line 3 talks about crossing the river at this time. I see this as you needing to go back to the store and bring a take measure. Or doing some sort of research to understand if the couch will in fact fit. Advicely finding out.

56 is maybe another shopper who could snatch up the couch if you do not first.

For some reason , at first glance, I thought that the reading was saying something like: You are holding back, but this is good, because it won't fit, and that when you go back to purchase the couch, it will be gone, but this is good fortune because it wouldn't have worked anyways.

Take care,
AQ

 

[Grandma]

Well, thanks for the replies
Well it did fit!!
So I am very pleased.
The reason I asked the i ching was becuase it was kind of iffy with the measurements (the doorway was 30 inches and every measurement of the couch seemed bigger than that but the manger of the goodwill said she thought it would fit and sugggested a way (stand it on its end and then angle it)
The other reason i had to ask was I had to pay the moving guys even if it didn't fit, . first i had to find a moving guy in three days as that's the length of time the goodwill set for people to remove the furniture they buy so there was some pressure, I could have just gotten my money back for the couch but didn't want to lose the moving expenses.
there was huffing and puffing and figuring out angles, like what Trojan said, and there was taking the mangers advice at the end and it all worked out great and the moving guy asked me out and I said yes so that's nice too.

 

[Grandma]

oh and also, wheels dragged back...
at the goodwill they put it on two dollies and when crossing the doorway ithe wheels got stuck "so the "wheels dragged back" as couch came off the dolly and the couch kept moving forward (know what I mean when that kind of thing happens?) and the couch had to be put back on dolly, (so that was very literal and such a minor little hiccup too)
thanks again