Covid vaccination hex. 45.4 to hex. 8

[Max Snowman]

Hello,

A few days ago I did a reading around the Covid vaccination, and this was the question:

"Is the vaccination the best thing to do for my life/health? What about if I did it?"

The result was hexagram 45, with the fourth line changing, turning into hexagram 8.

Now, a bit of background on the reading, and why I asked this question:

Until not long ago I had quite a strong feeling that I didn’t want the vaccine. I'm not against it, it's just that I had my own reasons for not wanting it for myself. I had an intuitive feeling that it wouldn't change anything. In terms of my own health, actually, I feared more the side effects or that it may disrupt a balance. Since receiving an invitation to have it, though, I realized that I started to doubt and to feel two conflicting voices. I didn’t feel as certain as I was before that I don’t want to have it, and I am questioning what brought about that shift. Was it just the inability to say ‘no’ to something I am being offered to do? Or is there more? Is it is also an ethical issue? A suspiscion that it will make my life 'easier' (as I have to travel often)? So, I resolved myself to ask the Oracle in order to make more clarity. As I said, one of the reasons why I didn’t want to get vaccinated in the first place is that I am afraid in might interfere with my system in unpredictable ways; my fears (perhaps irrational?) were around the fact that I fear the injection of something inside my system might disrupt the balance I have created and that this might expose me to more risks than not having it altogether. Plus, all the ethical reservations I have about the pharmaceutical industry. But despite that, and my own convictions, after the reading I had a feeling that the Oracle is hinting at some sort of “moral duty” in getting vaccinated for the “higher good”. Would that be a right interpretation? And in any case, am I right in feeling that the oracle seems to says that I should do it, and that I wouldn’t have any problem? Maybe, the bottom line is that having or not having the vaccine wouldn't really make any difference, personally. In any case, I was wondering what were the thoughts around the response to this reading within the community.

Thank you for taking the time to read, and an anticipated 'thank you' to those who will respond.

 

[fallada]

Dear Frosty,

The first layer of the reading perfectly reflects the thoughts and feelings you express:
seeking security by arranging and juggling your means and assets so that the system won’t tip over and the strenght and security that a large tribe can offer. Chiming in without pursuing too much of a personal agenda, good augury.
This reading is a respectful nod from the oracle to your approach.

I can also see a hidden, gentle yet clear hint what to do when looking at shadow and ideal hexagram of 45 and 8:
Doing nothing but washing hands and looking at omens/symptoms instead of securing and fixing the system that connects to the universal source. Relying on a gentle and slow approach of understanding and healingmethods and softly conquering the situation instead of taking the next step up into the unknown.

I‘m sure there are other interpretations out there .... !

Disclosure: I have recieved my vaccination already. Yi had been very clear from the beginning that I shall go for it (40uc) and now advises to remain cautious and prefer solitude - which comes naturally for me anyway (36.1.6-52)

fallada

 

[Max Snowman]

Hi Fallada,

thank you for your reply. I'm not sure I understand the whole of it, though. So I would ask you please to possibly help me understand better. I am referring specifically to this section:

"Doing nothing but washing hands and looking at omens/symptoms instead of securing and fixing the system that connects to the universal source. Relying on a gentle and slow approach of understanding and healingmethods and softly conquering the situation instead of taking the next step up into the unknown!".

Where did you find this part? And do you read it as an advice not to get vaccinated? The only changing line seemed to be hinting at the fact that it was ok to do it (or so I interepreted it). I am treading very carefully here as I know that this vaccine issue has split most people into two sides, while I am trying to tread and hold a middle ground in which I hold the pros and cons of both positions, whilst, in the midst of all this, also trying to decide what to do for myself (which was actually the reason for the reading).

I will sit more on the matter and will try to connect deeper with the meaning of the reading. Of course, I know that the ultimate decision is to sit with it, and hear/feel what rings true from inside myself, but my sense is that I would need more input and feedback in order to discern better what the oracle is saying.

This is the reason why, actually, I decided to post the reading in the forum.

Many thanks, Max

 

[Lana73123]

From the Brian brown walker I Ching app - 45.4
FOURTH LINE
If you work for the good unselfishly now, you will be overrun with success and good fortune.

To me that’s pretty dang clear with no real room for much other interpretation ...

People are getting the vaccine because the only way to keep this thing from completely destroying our whole way of life is to eradicate it, at best and to control it, at worst. By getting the vaccine you reduce the risk of getting it and giving it and dying a lonely painful death. If it continues to remain unchecked and continues to mutate - our current vaccines *may* not be effective on new strains and the whole mess starts again.
So - iChing say don’t be selfish , do this for the greater good.

and then resulting hex 8 - “holding together” “union with others”. Seeing that one of the main instructions during the pandemic was stay away from people - this hexagram is also pretty clear - get vaccinated - seek union.

 

[Max Snowman]

From the Brian brown walker I Ching app - 45.4
FOURTH LINE
If you work for the good unselfishly now, you will be overrun with success and good fortune.

To me that’s pretty dang clear with no real room for much other interpretation ...

People are getting the vaccine because the only way to keep this thing from completely destroying our whole way of life is to eradicate it, at best and to control it, at worst. By getting the vaccine you reduce the risk of getting it and giving it and dying a lonely painful death. If it continues to remain unchecked and continues to mutate - our current vaccines *may* not be effective on new strains and the whole mess starts again.
So - iChing say don’t be selfish , do this for the greater good.

and then resulting hex 8 - “holding together” “union with others”. Seeing that one of the main instructions during the pandemic was stay away from people - this hexagram is also pretty clear - get vaccinated - seek union.

That's what I thought, too. But I guess I had to hear it from an objective outside reader, and have confirmation. Thank you for being so clear and direct.

Max

 

[fallada]

hello Max,

"Doing nothing but washing hands and looking at omens/symptoms (= shadow of hex 45 is hex 20) instead of securing and fixing the system that connects to the universal source (= ideal hex of 45 is hex 48) Relying on a gentle and slow approach of understanding and healingmethods and softly conquering the situation (= shadow hex of hex 8 is 57) instead of taking the next step up into the unknown! (= ideal hex 46).“

What I meant to say was that not only the moving line 45.4, but also the shadow and the ideal hexagram in your reading say „go ahead and get vaccinated“..... Just in case you care to considere these hexagrams.
If you haven’t heard about this ‚method’, just search the forums for it.

fallada

 

[legume]

the Oracle is hinting at some sort of “moral duty” in getting vaccinated for the “higher good”

i feel your interpretation is right but the cast also reflects your doubts back at you. most translations mention good fortune and generally 45 to 8 could be understood here as being part of the group / doing what everyone else is doing (45) in order to seek union with others (8). the fan yao can be understood in terms of how the cast feels, but is not the actual reading (8.4 talking about outwardly associating with others). in general this cast is promising in terms of being able to maintain social life after the vaccine, i believe this is the main point of 45.4. however, Bradford translates this line "A lot of promise Avoid mistakes" and I personally find his commentary particularly interesting "There is a point to which this serves a purpose. Sheep should not try to think. For others, an end to the fear is courage to question."

 

[a_rose]

The question is which higher good? What is the true nature of moral duty? On one hand there is the group that believes in the covid story. This is based on a test (pcr) that was never intended to diagnose and cannot diagnose, for a virus that has not even been isolated. The group of this belief believes the shot, which is not a vaccination (by its own definition) is necessary for the greater good. This shot is by its own definition (and from the 'approved' sources) experimental. A 'vaccine' has never been successfully made that protects against any corona virus. In animal studies (many species) when the subjects are challenged tested (exposed to the virus a year later) they die.



For those that have decided that this virus fear is serving another agenda, standing in our truth is requiring being able to withstand the ostracizing that is in the early stages. It will be harder to stand in our truth as this agenda progresses. Yet we feel it is our moral duty. We feel we are doing this for the higher good.



So it comes down to which tribe you most resonate with. Each tribe, each polarity, will experience different things but all will experience expansion which is the nature of creation. As reactions to the shot manifests in numbers those of us that have refused on moral grounds will be under increased pressure. We are aware of this. Because we also believe we are serving a higher good the two tribes will come into a great conflict because the other tribe also believes as we do but for different reasons.



I have heard from friends that taking the shot will make life easier even though they have reservations. I see it in your comment also. Easier is again, subjective. For some choosing their moral path even though it will make physical life harder, is really easier because we are in alignment with our beliefs on this event. For the other tribe physical life will be easier.



There is no right or wrong choice. But I will say from comments that the belief of taking the shot is a moral obligation serving the higher good is exactly what those of us that are from a different tribe realize this is what we will be facing and it will not be easy to stand firm when the attacks come. I don't care if someone takes the shot, it is personal choice. What concerns me is the ones who take that path are adopting a moral high ground, high ground being key. That confrontation is yet to be played out in full earnest. Do we respect others freedom of choice? Do we just let each make their own choices or do we force others to adopt a choice we have made because of moral obligation and higher good based on ethical issues from a subjective viewpoint?

Those that make the choice to take the shot do not pose any danger to me. They take the shot and have whatever experiences follows. I support their decision and voice such when a friend tells me of their decision. My concern is when I have chosen to not take the shot and will be blamed for...

quote,
the only way to keep this thing from completely destroying our whole way of life is to eradicate it, at best and to control it, at worst. By getting the vaccine you reduce the risk of getting it and giving it and dying a lonely painful death. If it continues to remain unchecked and continues to mutate - our current vaccines *may* not be effective on new strains and the whole mess starts again.
So - iChing say don’t be selfish , do this for the greater good.

Challenging times are ahead. The ground work for blaming the ones not taking the shot are already being promoted in lamestreet media. It has the potential to develop into a full on frenzy.

For the record, Dr. Zach Bush has an explanation of what a virus is, what the virome is, how this started in Wuhuan (he predicted before it happened) and how thru the virome it has spread worldwide. I personally do not believe you can 'catch' a virus which has played out with my almost 40 years of working with, observing disease trends with animals. I have a sanctuary and regularly have and work with several hundred of various species. I have watched various 'viruses' spread thru a speices, from beginning to end. I could not make sense of it until I learned about the virome. It was the piece that connected all the dots.

 

[Max Snowman]

The question is which higher good? What is the true nature of moral duty? On one hand there is the group that believes in the covid story. This is based on a test (pcr) that was never intended to diagnose and cannot diagnose, for a virus that has not even been isolated. The group of this belief believes the shot, which is not a vaccination (by its own definition) is necessary for the greater good. This shot is by its own definition (and from the 'approved' sources) experimental. A 'vaccine' has never been successfully made that protects against any corona virus. In animal studies (many species) when the subjects are challenged tested (exposed to the virus a year later) they die.



For those that have decided that this virus fear is serving another agenda, standing in our truth is requiring being able to withstand the ostracizing that is in the early stages. It will be harder to stand in our truth as this agenda progresses. Yet we feel it is our moral duty. We feel we are doing this for the higher good.



So it comes down to which tribe you most resonate with. Each tribe, each polarity, will experience different things but all will experience expansion which is the nature of creation. As reactions to the shot manifests in numbers those of us that have refused on moral grounds will be under increased pressure. We are aware of this. Because we also believe we are serving a higher good the two tribes will come into a great conflict because the other tribe also believes as we do but for different reasons.



I have heard from friends that taking the shot will make life easier even though they have reservations. I see it in your comment also. Easier is again, subjective. For some choosing their moral path even though it will make physical life harder, is really easier because we are in alignment with our beliefs on this event. For the other tribe physical life will be easier.



There is no right or wrong choice. But I will say from comments that the belief of taking the shot is a moral obligation serving the higher good is exactly what those of us that are from a different tribe realize this is what we will be facing and it will not be easy to stand firm when the attacks come. I don't care if someone takes the shot, it is personal choice. What concerns me is the ones who take that path are adopting a moral high ground, high ground being key. That confrontation is yet to be played out in full earnest. Do we respect others freedom of choice? Do we just let each make their own choices or do we force others to adopt a choice we have made because of moral obligation and higher good based on ethical issues from a subjective viewpoint?

Those that make the choice to take the shot do not pose any danger to me. They take the shot and have whatever experiences follows. I support their decision and voice such when a friend tells me of their decision. My concern is when I have chosen to not take the shot and will be blamed for...

quote,
the only way to keep this thing from completely destroying our whole way of life is to eradicate it, at best and to control it, at worst. By getting the vaccine you reduce the risk of getting it and giving it and dying a lonely painful death. If it continues to remain unchecked and continues to mutate - our current vaccines *may* not be effective on new strains and the whole mess starts again.
So - iChing say don’t be selfish , do this for the greater good.

Challenging times are ahead. The ground work for blaming the ones not taking the shot are already being promoted in lamestreet media. It has the potential to develop into a full on frenzy.

For the record, Dr. Zach Bush has an explanation of what a virus is, what the virome is, how this started in Wuhuan (he predicted before it happened) and how thru the virome it has spread worldwide. I personally do not believe you can 'catch' a virus which has played out with my almost 40 years of working with, observing disease trends with animals. I have a sanctuary and regularly have and work with several hundred of various species. I have watched various 'viruses' spread thru a speices, from beginning to end. I could not make sense of it until I learned about the virome. It was the piece that connected all the dots.

Thank you for your reply. I hear you, and you also have voiced a lot of what I am feeling. Perhaps this is not the right arena to elaborate on this. But I had hoped we would not come to this, to the "two tribes" idea, perhaps as I am following a contemplative path in life and I can see good (and 'bad') reasons on both sides. For a whole year I have lived healthily and was quite clear I didn't want to be vaccinated. I am not an anti vax, and I respect all choices, I just felt intuitively like I didn't want it for myself.
My mother will do it and my partner has done it, and I have no problem with it. And by definition, I cringe at the definition of "moral duty": I have used that term only as that was what felt like coming through from the reading I received. As a result of the reading, I have started wondering whether I am just selfish in refusing the vaccine. But even if I did it (which honestly I still very conflicted about), I don't believe it would make me stay "on the side of the truth", as (some of) the 'truth' is on both sides. It would probably make some aspects of life easier, I grant that. Now I am feeling uncomfortable precisely as I am traying to feel where I stand in all this, where "my truth" is, as you say. I wish I wasn't in this position, but we all are; there is no escape from the fact that this is a global situation that is challenging us all, in different ways, and we have to face the consequences of what we choose. I was just hoping that, by consulting the Oracle, I would get more clarity, but it seems that what I'm getting (perhaps unavoidably), instead, is how complex the issue really is, and full of nuances and grey zones. Cleary, there is no black and and white; there is no right and wrong. But somehow I'll have to come to a decision, anyway. And personally, I don't like decisions: I just hope to be able to hold all this in a gentle way that accomodates aspects of truth from both sides, somehow, even though I don't know how, and certainly at some cost. Thank you again.

 

[a_rose]

Until recently I approached the ching (part of my life for over 40 years) as an oracle that, from where I was coming from, was an enlightened being or beings that were lofty. Then a couple of weeks ago, as I have been going thru a most challenging time (3 months and counting) it came to me, one of those flashes of insight, that I was talking to ‘the others’ as I have called them since I was a child. I was always aware of their presence, also calling them ‘the voices’ because as a child I could even hear them talking. As children this all comes naturally until it is programmed out and ‘god’ or whatever label you use is taught to be something separate from us and that we have to go thru some kind of fill in the blank to reconnect.

When it hit me one night that it was simply an easy way to talk to my guides or whatever one calls them, in a free flowing easy conversation, the leaps and bounds I’ve had being able to understand a situation is phenomenal. I have had several all night convos as I drill down, learn more about an issue and it is like talking with dear friends that only have my best interests at heart, love me dearly and thankfully don't have to hang up and get some sleep.

So with this question you have you might try asking a bit more…

Why do I feel conflicted?

Why am I feeling uncomfortable?

Is the issue really complex? Or am I making it complex?

Is it important that I come to a decision at this time?

Things like that. When they give me an answer and I don’t understand, even if I get Not Knowing, I'll sit with the answer for a bit and if I am still confused I'll ask more questions. It's a leap of faith lol, when I get Not Knowing, like I'm being disrespectful, but I simply say, okay I'm too confused to understand the answer so let's figure out where the confusion comes from. Sometimes it is as simple as figuring out a deeper aspect of my question. My mainstay for all these decades was the Wilhelm version and not that easy to translate to everyday/although the advice was always spot on/tried other versions too. When I found this version year or so ago it opened up a whole new world of a friendly dialogue, one where I could more easily understand the wisdoms. Then when it dawned on me to keep asking about something till I got to the root (for me) that is how I’ve been handing a very tricky triggering situation. Honestly, they are showing me how to flow, like emotional Aikido. Also the more I do it this way the more my questions um, mature in that I get better in knowing what my real question is and not the surface question that starts the dialogue.

I have also found that when I try to think my way thru a quandary it never works. Anything I come up with is a patch job for coping. But when I can get advice, guidance, from my guides that have the benefit of an expanded perspective and know how energy flows work (again something we know as a child) then my actions work to my benefit. They tell me when I’m setting myself up for misfortune. So I ask how so? Then how can I avoid it before it happens? They show me aspects of myself that run head long into self sabotage and I make corrections.

Things like that. Being in the end times for myself I think it is vitally important to connect with and operate from my inner clarity. ‘The others’ using this handy tool of a book is making this possible.

much love,
rose

 

[a_rose]

I just posted this on another thread. It may help you feel out your answer.

https://yijing.nl/structures/relating.html

LiSe in her commentary in the journal says...

Gather around you what really belongs with you, and yet leave all in its/their own value. It makes realizing of ideals possible. One can put one’s ideas to the trial, help each other in materializing abstract thoughts and develop an idea along many different paths.

It seems like Yi is saying you have many ideas you are tossing around. Where is the group you wish to gather with?

and from Hilary...

And you are making great efforts – and an act of faith – investing the best you have in this gathering. You need those good, deep roots, and clear-sighted guidance, and you need to know where you are going with it all.

Poised between intensity and overload, with so much invested in one place, the noble one takes special care. Inwardly, she is quietly resourceful and prepared for trouble; outwardly, she communicates the need to stay watchful.

from the second hexagram...

Where do you belong?
Is this a good fit?
Do you choose to join?

Ask yourself why it was important to ask this question; get to know where you’re coming from. When you find the source, you can flow perpetually out from there towards the right choices and connections. Such self-examination is not a mistake; it’s the best way to avoid mistakes.

demands are made on you from all directions at once. Not all the people or all the feelings that appear will be helpful.

Perhaps the counsel is to take your time in making this decision. Be watchful. Get to know where you are coming from. It is not like you have to do this now. If you decide to take the shot it is not something that can be reversed. If you have doubts wait. Making this kind of life altering decision is not something asking the Yi, or your guides (however you approach the IChing) can tell you what to do. It is for you to know from your clarity what is your truth. If your desire is to make life easier take in the issues you toss around about what is easiest in the long run, your personal path of least resistance. It seems to me, but only from the little I read, that you are surrounded by others who are encouraging you to do this. In that sense if you do then they feel validated because you are doing what they did. This is not for you to be their validation. It has to be something that in your heart you feel is best FOR YOU. The ethical reference...that comes from the 'do this for others' and 'if you really care' kind of rhetoric. Being able to travel easier is a side bonus. What I see with the take the shot marketing is the implication that if you don't you are somehow a very selfish uncaring person. That is playing on guilt. This is a life altering decision and you should not be pressured to make such an important decision because others are encouraging you to do so or from guilt. Just keep in mind that the whole story around covid is to promote fear. The fear propaganda serves an agenda.

If it feels right in your heart to take the shot then you will know it...if you get to know your heart.
If it feels wrong in your heart, again, you will know it.

Do not be swayed by coercion. Take your time is what the reading says to me. Know thyself.

love,
rose

 

[Max Snowman]

i feel your interpretation is right but the cast also reflects your doubts back at you. most translations mention good fortune and generally 45 to 8 could be understood here as being part of the group / doing what everyone else is doing (45) in order to seek union with others (8). the fan yao can be understood in terms of how the cast feels, but is not the actual reading (8.4 talking about outwardly associating with others). in general this cast is promising in terms of being able to maintain social life after the vaccine, i believe this is the main point of 45.4. however, Bradford translates this line "A lot of promise Avoid mistakes" and I personally find his commentary particularly interesting "There is a point to which this serves a purpose. Sheep should not try to think. For others, an end to the fear is courage to question."

Thank you for your reply. I have looked for the Bradford translation but I could not find it (or in fact, I found very long PDF books, and I will have to look in more detail). Where did you find this bit: "There is a point to which this serves a purpose. Sheep should not try to think. For others, an end to the fear is courage to question." ? And what do you take it to mean? Many thanks, Max.

 

[legume]

Where did you find this bit

Yijing-One book, at the bottom of page 326 the whole commentary to this line is worth a read for broader context.

And what do you take it to mean?

that sheep move together as a group and simply let themselves be led by following orders, humans got a reason and so can question things and follow their own path. sheep might be even led astray, while in questioning the path of the whole group you might free yourself of this fear (that's possibly leading you to say yes to the vaccine). i could go on about my own view on the whole issue and what i personally think creates the fear but not sure if this is the right place for it. fwiw i agree with rose on the PCR thing 100% and also recommend Zach Bush for starters, if convoluted research is not your thing (i'm a bit of a freak when it comes to research and question pretty much everything ).