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And while it occasionally did respond .......... most of the time it seemed way off.
Last night, lying in bed, beginning to doze off, I awoke suddenly with a serious crisis of faith re. the i Ching. What if the world is what it appears to be empirically -- a series of random events? I got out of bed in a bit of a troubled state and began asking the i Ching questions, hoping it would reassure me. "Give me a sign that there is really someone -- or something -- out there," I asked. Something beyond my conscious mind that knows more than my conscience mind is aware of. I got nothing to hand my hat on. Then I said. "OK if you're real, give me a reading that has anything to do with water." Nothing. Then I asked a specific question about an event, and it danced around the issue in a way that I could interpret it as a direct response or i could interrupt it as just noise.
This morning I continued my testing of the oracle. And while it occasionally did respond (Give me a reading having to do with finances, response 14 was one of the accurate responses), most of the time it seemed way off.
Any thoughts?
What if...
Hey MengMy two favorite words. :bows:
Hey Meng
Wasn't one of your favourite words "SO"?
What's going on here??????
..........Another crisis in faith
Mike
:bag:So what if the world is what it appears to be empirically?.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwoKnr3ie54mantra: nothing is happening
Last night, lying in bed, beginning to doze off, I awoke suddenly with a serious crisis of faith re. the i Ching. What if the world is what it appears to be empirically -- a series of random events? I got out of bed in a bit of a troubled state and began asking the i Ching questions, hoping it would reassure me. "Give me a sign that there is really someone -- or something -- out there," I asked....
Any thoughts?
Last night, lying in bed, beginning to doze off, I awoke suddenly with a serious crisis of faith re. the i Ching. What if the world is what it appears to be empirically -- a series of random events? I got out of bed in a bit of a troubled state and began asking the i Ching questions, hoping it would reassure me. "Give me a sign that there is really someone -- or something -- out there," I asked. Something beyond my conscious mind that knows more than my conscience mind is aware of. I got nothing to hand my hat on. Then I said. "OK if you're real, give me a reading that has anything to do with water." Nothing. Then I asked a specific question about an event, and it danced around the issue in a way that I could interpret it as a direct response or i could interrupt it as just noise.
This morning I continued my testing of the oracle. And while it occasionally did respond (Give me a reading having to do with finances, response 14 was one of the accurate responses), most of the time it seemed way off.
Any thoughts?
Then I asked a specific question about an event, and it danced around the issue in a way that I could interpret it as a direct response or i could interrupt it as just noise.
Last night, lying in bed, beginning to doze off, I awoke suddenly with a serious crisis of faith re. the i Ching. What if the world is what it appears to be empirically -- a series of random events?.....
This morning I continued my testing of the oracle. And while it occasionally did respond (Give me a reading having to do with finances, response 14 was one of the accurate responses), most of the time it seemed way off.
Any thoughts?
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Knowing that 'something' much bigger than me chooses my direction is a wonderful thought to me. It doesn't feel like cold predestination, but as if I really am part of universe. Looking back I know it could not have happened otherwise. Looking forward I know I will go where I am supposed to go. My own decisions are an important part of that as well. But more I can 'let them happen' and less 'make them happen', the closer I will get to my true destination. Letting happen does not mean sit back and just wait, it is something very active. When you sit back, you become victim of decisions of things or people outside yourself. Letting happen feels rather like "letting myself make them" instead of "making myself make them".
Maybe it is like that. Looking back, it is as if everything had to happen the way it did. It is what shows of your tao, you live and you think a lot of it is random. You just happen to take a turn here, a turn there, something happens to cross your path, so you take one of many possible roads. Could just as well have gone in another direction. It seems...
Universe came into being in this same way. Seemingly random, but I think random is much more that we think it is. Like the coins which fall down in a random way. But a fraction of a difference in the side they "choose", or tao chooses for them, changes the reading. That fraction, that is why random is the only way to make tao work. No decision can ever match that tiny push of that tiny difference, pushing fate exactly where it 'wants' to go.
Knowing that 'something' much bigger than me chooses my direction is a wonderful thought to me. It doesn't feel like cold predestination, but as if I really am part of universe. Looking back I know it could not have happened otherwise. Looking forward I know I will go where I am supposed to go. My own decisions are an important part of that as well. But more I can 'let them happen' and less 'make them happen', the closer I will get to my true destination. Letting happen does not mean sit back and just wait, it is something very active. When you sit back, you become victim of decisions of things or people outside yourself. Letting happen feels rather like "letting myself make them" instead of "making myself make them".
Hm, not sure it still makes sense.
Great thread!
thank you all so much. This has been a great learning experience. And i do feel much better now.
[FONT="]It was Joseph Cambell who said "Free will is the ability to do gladly that which I must do." i.e ego giving way to the self. So maybe each turn here and there at random seems like that to the ego, however the self knows different at a level that the ego cannot ever comprehend.
There was a program I saw a while back about a quartz crystal being hit by something and giving out vibrations at frequencies that emulated the prime numbers - seemingly the most random things known to man until recently. Since I saw that program I find it hard to see anything as random.
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Perhaps letting go of my past views to allow a predetermined future. I'm choosing to make this statement knowing that it is only a a single point level amongst many I could have chosen, hoping to bring a better perspective to this thread and at the same time knowing that I risk being ignored, made fun of or worse........agreed with.
I'm not clear if that makes me inferior or superior....
Agree with LiSe-great thread
Mike
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Just wanted to thank you, Bostonian, for initiating this topic - Randomness: How to connect?
My take is that is is all random, what happens and how we respond to what happens. I never know what I'm going to say any more than I know what you're going to say.
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Claims that we are so much more advanced than others from prior times would be more credible except for 2 serious problems: First, most of the great problems of today are simply logical consequences of what was hailed earlier as great technological advances. The marketable advance was hailed and the downside ignored until the stuff exhausted "outside" somehow filled our limited planet and came back as 'new' problems arising from the 'environment.'
Second, there is an amazing similarity of views from many peoples over many times....Frank
was also predestined...not pre-destined in the sense that it had to happen,
(1) The works in neuroscience etc bring out the language nature of the I Ching and so the ability to get it to describe itself by reference to itself - but as CLASSES of meanings. Such has NOT been covered in the past and as such reflects an advancement in understanding of brain dynamics and meaning generation in general and what is behind the traditional I Ching in particular. Thus the countless interpretations of the meanings of the I Ching have never used the I Ching itself to describe itself due to ignorance of the ability to do so. NOW we can do so where consciousness contributes by adding instance data (local context dynamics) to the class data we can get from the I Ching describing itself (its universals format).
(2) ALL meaning across all members of the species is grounded at a concrete level of single context interactions with the immediate environment limited by the horizons of the sensory systems. FROM that level has developed neural hierarchy that introduces the use of ABSTRACTIONS and of the MANY languages (metaphors) derived over the gnerations due to IGNORANCE of the properties and methods of that concrete level of being.
The more specialisations focus on mapping reality so the more they take-on the 'shape' of our filtering system - the neurology. As such all of these perspectives are isomorphic and this is exploitable in such as the EIC where we take meaning generation from emotions (fight/flight) and meaning generation from I Ching (yang/yin) and translate one into the other through the IDM template.
The language property of the I Ching allows us to see ANYTHING In the I Ching since, as a language, it is capabable of representing anything. Issues are then in the details and THAT is supplied by personal consciousness having access to names/dates/places etc etc
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