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Hi there...

I had another dream this morning...oh yes...yet again...*sigh*, and I'm concerned with the possibility it might have been prophetic. There's [insert suspense music here]...danger...in it. So I asked the Yi if it was prophetic (it could have been a couple of other things going on). And I need help with the answer.

Before I tell you the dream and the answer, let me give you a little background information about this place that I'm living in and trying to leave...and one of the dangers I alluded to in past posts but did not elaborate on.

There's a lawless element in this town. And it's pretty pervasive and comprises a good part of the population. There's also a great love of guns here. Everyone has a gun. Not owning a gun, I'm in the minority...a very small minority. The murder rate per capita is probably pretty close to that of Washington, DC...maybe even higher. There's also a mentality that I find alarming. Among a rather large segment of the population in this town, it is tres chichi to "do time"...go to prison. It's like they get a special "bad boy scout" patch for their uniform if they spend some time in prison. It gives them bragging rights.

There's also a kind of ennui or apathy about shooting people and murder here as well. I've never experienced gun play in a residential area in my life until I moved here. And I've experienced it twice "in my own backyard" in the two years I've been here...six months after I got here, on a late Sunday morning, I heard the shot ring out from four doors up the street. And then last week, sitting here reading the forum, I heard the POW...POWPOWPOWPOW POW coming from the corner (there's just a small parking lot between me and the corner). In the newspaper two days later (I told you things move slow in this town), it was reported that four men fired into a vehicle carrying a woman and her infant son at the corner. The police statement basically amounted to..."Move along folks. There's nothing to see here. It appears to be just a domestic dispute." HUH????? But the thing that really sent shivers down my spine was that before I heard gunshots, I heard a boy across the street bouncing his basketball, then I heard the POW...POW POW POW POW..POW, and as I sat here frozen in fear, I heard the bouncing of the basketball continue as if the gun fire was just another normal sound in the night.

That ain't even the half of it! After the first of the year, the company I work for, the largest employer is in this town, the company that built this town, is closing it's doors. (I think this may have been what the Shen Shu verse 80 was trying to warn me about. Not sure though.) Thousands of people are going to be out of jobs...on the streets...with their guns...and desperate. The worst case crime scenarios in the Superman and Batman comics is what comes to mind when I ponder the possibilities.

So now...finally...my dream. My last dream this morning was that someone approached me and said that the woman upstairs from me had been shot...that she walked in on someone robbing her home. My first thought in the dream was that meant I'd been robbed as well. In real life her husband was shot about five years ago in the front yard as he walked to his apartment. They also own and run the restaurant on the above-mentioned corner next to the parking lot...so I may have been making that association in my dream...if it wasn't prophetic.

So I asked the Yi if it was a prophetic dream (I've had a few), and they answered 41/4.5 to 10. I would really like some input as to the Yi's answer.

Thank you!

Love,

Val
 

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Could be a warning. Can your neighbor make herself less vulnerable in any way? Perhaps ask the IChing what to do to help her, just in case. Then you can check in with her, just have a conversation and casually see how safe she is.

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Hello, Clove!

Val, 41,4 can (without stretching it much at all) be read as 'reduce your anxiety: carrying the message swiftly brings rejoicing, and avoids mistake.' So I'm with Clove on this one: take the message to the person it is or could be for. By giving it into her hands, you diminish your own level of 'responsibility', and simplify matters. This is just a first reaction to a small part of the reading - but it does seem very plain and direct.
 

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Val,

Maybe it's a pre-cognitive dream and maybe it's about you as well.

You said, "My last dream this morning was that someone approached me and said that the woman upstairs from me had been shot...that she walked in on someone robbing her home."

Can you remember who approached you in your dream?

Perhaps the woman upstairs in your dream represents a part of you? "Upstairs" might suggest a more itellectual version of you that's detached from your feelings?

What qualities come to mind when you think of the woman upstairs from you? What do you most respect and admire about her?

Do you recognise those qualities in yourself in your life at the moment?

Maybe the shooting could represent a sudden unexpected change in your life?

Perhaps walking in on the robbery could represent recognition of a sense of emotional loss that's to do with the past?

Best wishes,

Mick
 

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Hi Clove...

I was shocked to see a new name when I opened email this evening...answering my post yet. Well I'm very pleased to meet you. I look forward to learning more about you and the Yi.

Per your direction and Hilary's I approached my neighbor upstairs. Just happened to go outside when she was coming in from the restaurant. I felt so awkward trying to explain that I wanted her to be careful, and she doesn't understand English very well at all. But she finally did get something I said because she proceeded to tell me she has a special lock...good lock. Hopefully, the dream was a warning, and we are all forewarned...and safe...now...*crossing fingers* It really does seem the Yi is confirming that.

Thanks Clove and Hilary.

Mick....

Thanks so much for contemplating this dream. Actually I realized today that prophetic was not the best word for what I meant. I meant premonition. Precognitive is good too.

I respect and admire many things about the woman upstairs. She's 70 years old and looks a lot better than most 60 year olds I know. She's alive, she's vibrant, energetic. She's in excellent shape physically and in excellent health. She works hard. I identify with all of the above except that I'm younger than she is. She has a good husband and is a good wife. I'd like to be able to identify with that as well...*grin*

I really could go on and on. She's got a good long life ahead of her, and I enjoy her very much. I'd like to be like her when I reach her age, and I'd like to still know her when I reach her age.

The person who told me about the woman upstairs was insignificant. I don't remember anything about them. Just what they said.

My home was robbed in my early 20s. Robbery is not as much about loss as it is about being violated. And I can't imagine that it would be possible to feel emotionally violated at this stage in my life...unless someone robbed, raped or otherwise physically harmed me or someone I love.

The interesting thing is I didn't feel loss or violation in the dream...just shock.

As to an unexpected change, well...I'm anticipating something "hidden" (Shen Shu verse 80) to reveal itself shortly. I'm in the process of moving out of this lawless town, and I have to do it in steps. Unless I'm reading it wrong, the Yi is telling me something is going to happen before I can take even the next step. We'll see. I just hope it happens before I'm robbed!...*grin*

Love,

Val
 

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Val,

You said, "She has a good husband and is a good wife. I'd like to be able to identify with that as well..."

Could that be the key to your dream?

Best wishes,

Mick
 

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Dear Mick...

First of all I don't want you to think that I'm ignoring your post and that I don't appreciate your latest input (above). Your words have been simmering "within" for the past several days, and I appreciate your efforts and your wisdom immensely. Please believe me when I say I am not taking any of this lightly.

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Val,

You said, "She has a good husband and is a good wife. I'd like to be able to identify with that as well..."

Could that be the key to your dream?<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

For awhile this morning, I couldn't look at those words without feeling pain. But it's just a matter of time before that stops. That's how grieving works. Time eventually heals. I've known I've felt robbed...long before this dream. I said as much in my emotional response to a previous dream that I recounted in the Shen Shu thread. I started the grieving process then. I sobbed through that entire post.

So I don't understand why I would dream it...after the fact. And I can't understand why the Yi would tell me last night in answer to a question about my last possibility for marriage, again after the fact, Hex 38.3 to 14.

From Chris Lofting's IC site - hex 38:

Line 3
"Despite having one's possessions taken and one's self physically injured, things eventually change."

Further, I also know the last phrase of Chris's interpretation for this line will come to fruition for several reasons, and I have no doubt whatsoever that I will marry again.

I don't know if you're aware, but I've been through an incredible growth experience since I started with this forum which led me to the discovery of the roots of my fear of marriage. I was "led"..."guided" by dreams and I Ching readings on this journey to my inner truths... and the reason wasn't simply to pass the time...if you get my drift. It was to prepare me.

In addition, real life circumstances...delays... have confirmed what the Yi and the Shen Shu verse 80 have been trying to tell me. There is something hidden, something that has to happen before I can move out...and on. LiSe commented on the Shen Shu reading that I should not keep chopping the wood of the tree lest I destroy a "living future" hidden in its roots. I know and accept that as well. I've stopped chopping.

I know I know I know already. So why are both the Yi and the dream repeating repeating repeating? What am I missing here? If anyone has any input as to why the Yi is given to repeating or stating the obvious, I would love to hear from you.

Thank you all so very much.

Love,

Val
 

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Val,
I'm reading your postings here and feel a kind of sadness. No one should have to live in fear because they have to live in a lawless town regardless of what brought them there in the first place. I am particularly saddened for all the women who have to live alone; a lot of elderly women do because they usually live longer than their mates. I've been very actice writing letters or emailing my state reps on any bill that helps put criminals away for life(repeat offenders).
As for your dream, in 1978, I was in school in Johnstown PA and met a sweet girl who attended
school at the same time. She and I lived 15 mi. from each other, never knew each other before we met at school. She was deaf. I just had an inclination that she could get into deep trouble at the school, so I told her to be very careful. She took up with another guy from our school(trade school)and I warned her about this fellow. Three months later on Christmas vacation at home my mom told me to read the front page and sure enough the fellow she dated had killed her! I was devastated because I thought maybe I was to blame because I got the premonition and couldn't keep her from harm. I had to get counseling for this.
Then, a month before the twin towers tragedy, I dreamt about the demise of the towers but at first it wasn't clear what the symbolism in my dream meant. I didn't think it had anything to do with the towers at the time. I remember asking my brother who had been visiting from Boston at that time what significance this dream had. He didn't know either and he is a brilliant man. It wasn't till after the towers collapse that the symbolism made absolute sense. In the case of the school girl, I could help warn her and I did my part even though it didnot really help and in the towers, I was helpless to do anything. I've told God I don't want anything at all to do with these "insights" unless they were truly from Him and I could do something good with the knowledge. Otherwise please take them away. I do know that in the Bible men had dreams and visions but God told people to stay away from fortune telling or astrology. I hope Ching isn't in the same vein as these two. Tatiana
 

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Hi Val, Tatiana

I was walking my baby today and this thread came into my head. A wave of sadness came over me . Ive just read Tatianas message and realise that I picked up on the same energy. I wish I could just drop by Val , to help you feel safer, but I live so far away.
When I was younger a special friend helped me once ovecome some great fears. She gave me an 'army'. Yes, thats right, a spiritual army. Im now sending them to you. They can be posted at various places around the house and out front. They don't eat much and can be depended upon in any situation. In meditative states you can make out there immense size and beauty. Acknowledge them, when you notice them, (they may even make their presence felt).
To call them, just raise your hand and say the first line of the Shema. Here o' Israel, the lord thy G-d, the lord is one.
Sleep well Val, my thoughts are with you.
 
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Hello Val

I haven't been posting much because of exams, but I feel compelled to write this so feel free to ignore if it doesn't resonate with you. Many spiritual teachings say that what we concentrate on increases. So if you keep concentrating on your fear of guns and violence, you will get more of it. Can you try to concentrate on peace instead? Far easier said than done I know. Also, you might find it helpful to space clear your own apartment to bring in the energies and qualities that you need to help you to move.

Two books that I have found very helpful and comforting are by Karen Kingston:
Clear Your Clutter with Feng Shui and
Creating Sacred Space with Feng Shui. Both are available from Amazon or from bookstores in the US. If you want to do space clearing, then the second book is the best. I'm not suggesting that you have lots of clutter - its just that doing a clearing out helps with all sorts of issues, I have found.

Also, Louise Hay's books and tapes are very helpful when you are trying to make changes - again available from Amazon.com.

I hope you don't mind me passing on this information, and I wish you lots of peace and success in making your move happen soon.

Love from Ann
 

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Dear David...

V-ohavto es Adonoy Elohecho b-chol l'vovcho u-v-chol naf'sh'cho u-v-chol m'odecho.

*contented grin*

Thank you.

Love,

Val
 

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Candida...

Thank you for sharing your story here. Very interesting stuff. I am absolutely thrilled to learn you're actively involved in the pursuit of family safety and protection. Thrilled!

And I'm not the least bit surprised you have strong intuition.

Love,

Val
 

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Ann...

Huh???

You didn't read the whole thread did you?

And you haven't read many of my other posts have you?

As to the hopes you expressed about passing on your "information"...well you know what they say about unsolicited advice. It's probably in the list of "Top 10 Most Under-Appreciated Commodities In the History Of Mankind." And it's people like me who keep it there...*grin*

Love,

Val
 

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Val,

You asked, "So why are both the Yi and the dream repeating repeating repeating? What am I missing here?"

I suppose your situation is similar to a recurring dream?

In my experience, someone has a recurring dream because they're not fully taking on the message that their creative mind is sending them in their dream.

Maybe they understand the message intellectually. But I think that until the dreamer takes on the emotional weight of their dream, they will be sent the message again and again. This process can last for years.

Sometimes the recurring dream will become more and more graphic each time it repeats.

I'm not sure if this applies to you but I hope that some of this is helpful to you.

Look after yourself,

Mick
 

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Hi Mick...

Actually this dream meant what I suspected it did when you asked if "She has a good husband and is a good wife. I'd like to be able to identify with that as well..." could be the key to my dream. It was, is and always will be.

And the Yi repeated itself again today. I know why this time.

I got my stranger feeling this morning and asked the Yi what it was about. They answered 6/1.3 to 1. I had my Sam Reifler version of the Yi with me, and his interpretation of line 3 of 6 spoke to me. When I got home and read the W/B interpretation...it just didn't do the same for me.

Sam Reifler says of line 3:

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

The man holds his ground.
He draws his reputation around him like a cloak,
and makes no major effort.
Those who depend on him
do not appreciate his sacrifice.

Auspicious but perilous.

Most of your possessions -- spiritual or material -- are yours simply because you acquired them and continue to hold them. If they are lost, stolen, traded, or destroyed, they no longer belong to you. There are a very few, however, which, because they were created by your own mind or hands or because of your persevering devotion to their attainment or through love, more than just belong to you; they have become a part of you and will remain so. Your expansive personality exposes those most meaningful possessions, and they are always threatened. It may seem that one of them has been taken from you -- an image has been plagiarized, an idea usurped, a lucky fetish lost. But although it is in the possesion of others, it is still yours, irrevocably and eternally. So remain content with that. Do not make a fool of yourself by trying to recover it or seeking retribution. Your right to it cannot be proved...<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

My soul has been robbed of its mate. How can I prove my soulmate? I cannot. Only I know (and he knows) that he is still mine...irrevocably and eternally. I gave up trying to reunite with him...because, as The Judgment says in the W/B book, "You are sincere...and you are being obstructed."

I have grieved his loss as I said in the Shen Shu thread, and, as it appears we will not live this lifetime and go to the next together, I remain content that I at least got to meet him and be with him awhile in this one. I'll see him in the next...we can try again then.

It was fortunate that I was working in my facility alone today because, when I read those words, a pain so big that I sometimes had to stop in my tracks came pouring out of me...and I again grieved his loss. I've been grieving on and off since.

I suspect that I didn't grieve fully enough when I made the decision to let go of hope and go with my family and the Yi has been trying to help me complete the process. I'm grieving fully now. All will be right with the world again soon.

Thank you again Mick.

Love,

Val
 

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Val, I think you will like this poem, but it will make you cry.

I stood long where you left me.
Night was all around me
and the stars pecked at it with fierce acetylene silver beaks.
A little thin moon scarred the sky.
Then I walked... my arm around the emptiness of you beside me.

And because you were total in my eyes like sudden blindness,
I saw only you.
You were my purpose and my way,
you were the bright articulate lights and the dark lonely streets,
you were each door and window... and every passing face.

And because you were indelible in my blood and brain
in infinite copies -- without drink or delirium
my mind conceived you... my senses registered you dimensionally.

And it was beautiful... O then it was beautiful
in a high beautiful city... in a tall lighted beautiful world --
the moon was young and the stars winked like fireflies in tall grass:
night was a jeweled tent around us
and we were wonderfully alone and sleepy as we always are just after love.

[From: This Is My Beloved, by Walter Benton]

Namaste,
Joan
 

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val.


*.
>/ .


trying. words. somethingsomething.

(still none.)

(sigh)
tash.
 
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Hi Candida

I have only just caught up on this thread and read your input.

Those experiences sound as if they must have been very traumatic for you ? Reading them made me feel a little of the nightmare carrying such insights must have been.

Literature is full of stories of people who have a gift which feels like a curse. And you clearly do have a gift with this.

I can see where you were coming from with your last lines about ?otherwise please take them away?.

Could it be that you have a gift that you need to learn how best to use it? That is you have the beginnings of a great gift if you can actively work out how to develop and apply it for the good of yourself and others?

This might be difficult because it is an unusual gift and as it is somewhat eschewed in western Christian culture there are few obvious paths to developing it ? you might have to find your own way.

In fraternity

--Kevin
 
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Hi Val

It is no accident that a bright candle finds itself in the darkest of storms.

For what use would a candle be in the noon sun?

Burn brightly! ? Darkness cannot keep out the light.

Warmly

--Kevin
 

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Kevin...

Thank you so much for your words. Your timing is most interesting. I just woke from a dream...

I dreamt that a lesson was being prepared for me. I watched as they constructed the "visual aids"...on the other side of the bed. They told me they were going to show me how all the emotions work together...how they are all connected, and this lesson was going to "feature" sorrow. The dream recurred just before the first alarm went off and every time the snooze alarm went off after that...a few times...*grin*

Every time I crawled across the bed to hit the snooze button, I wondered to myself how I could possibly learn any more about sorrow.

The last time it went off, I (not they) was in the process of teaching my subordinates how to do this task. I was explaining the lesson when one of my helpers interrupted me...before I was finished...and said with some impatience, "I know I know." I responded with irritation, "How can you possible know when I have not finished telling you?"

Having been admonished by my higher self, I humbly await my lesson, and I keep your words close at hand. I just hope with all my heart that this lesson is about how sorrow, when released, is replaced with joy...connects with joy.

Thank you!

Love,

Val
 
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Val,

I think the hardest thing to learn about sorrow is that most of the time, its optional. The second hardest thing is, to accept it when its unavoidable, but no longer than is neccesary. Sorrow can be habit forming. So can happiness be. It just takes practice.
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Love,

Candid
 
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Hi Candid

Exactement - Detatchment is the Budhist answer - Our sorrow can only exist if we remain attached to whatever caused it. Saddly I am attached to things / ideas and people -along with a dream of a better world!

One day I will learn to let go...

Thanks for your warm words on the other thread - very greatly appreciated - So much was said that has caused me to think that I am delaying my reply

Warmest

--Kevin
 
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Hi Val

When yor teaching arives I hope you feel able to share it with us... On past experience of your shared dreams I am sure it will be valuable to me for one.

Warmest wishes

--Kevin
 

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Hi there...

It dawned on me today that I don't really understand the meaning of the word sorrow. When I was dreaming it this morning, I was equating it with pain. But I think it's much bigger. Doesn't the word sorry (as in "I'm sorry I spilled that milk and don't have it to savor and satisfy my hunger/thirst.") derive from sorrow? Or not?

I'm going to go do a search on the net for it now.

Love,

Val
 

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Well I'm back already.

I found some great quotes. Poets associate it with pain and grief...it doesn't appear to be any bigger than that.

Here's one by Carl Jung:
<BLOCKQUOTE>There are as many nights as days, and the one is just as long as the other in the year's course. Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word 'happy' would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness.</BLOCKQUOTE>
I love this one by Anne Bradstreet:
<BLOCKQUOTE>If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant; if we did not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.</BLOCKQUOTE>
I love the way Kahlil Gibran says it (and this is what I hope is my next lesson...*crossing fingers*
<BLOCKQUOTE>The deeper that sorrow carves into your being the more joy you can contain. Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter's oven?</BLOCKQUOTE>
...I've just been burned in the potter's oven...I'm real ready for the wine.

But this one by Henri Nouwen has struck deeper into my being than all the rest:
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When we honestly ask ourselves which person in our lives means the most to us, we often find that it is those who, instead of giving much advice, solutions, or cures, have chosen rather to share our pain and touch our wounds with a gentle and tender hand. The friend who can be silent with us in a moment of despair or confusion, who can stay with us in an hour of grief and bereavement, who can tolerate not knowing, not curing, not healing and face with us the reality of our powerlessness, that is a friend who cares.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
I had a friend like this once. That's the kind of friend I strive to be.

Love,

Val
 

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I wonder if I know what attachment really means.
Of course I'm attached to all kind of things and yet .. I am not. It seems that my soul is attached but my spirit is not. The spirit that I am is a kind of mirror and a mirror is not - and cannot be - attached to what it reflects.
Or, to use another metaphor, the light is not attached to what it shines upon. Whatever happens, it just shines upon it, it makes no difference.
So ... can we say that attachment is an illusion?
 

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Martin, I too have wondered about the true meaning of attachment. To make it clear, Guruji gave us the example of a wife who was still jealous of her hubby's girlfriend -- someone he had know 40 years ago before this couple were married. It's certainly not an illusion. The wife was too attached to the fact that her hubby used to have a girlfriend in the past and this obviously affected her relationship with him.

Best for your Quest

Anita
 
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