dead entertainer

[esolo]

This is quite strange.

My interest in a certain dead entertainer started about 10 days ago. I never had an interest in this person before. In fact, I didn't even know who he was.

Now, 10 days later, I'm an expert on his life and I can't stop thinking about him. I'm fighting the urge to launch a website about him. I don't see any good ones out there and it feels like something I want to do, which seems crazy.

I can see absolutely no reason why I should be this interested in him. His niche in the entertainment world was one I never bothered engaging with. So, I'm struggling to understand this and turned to the yi,

Why can't I stop thinking about this person?

The answer was 61.1.2 > 20.

Wilhelm's commentary on line 1 talks about "secret ties" and line 2 talks about hidden cranes calling out from the shade. Hilary's translation says that "there is a another, no peace". The relating hexagram, 20, is about viewing, observing. I suppose this would represent what I'm doing, the viewing.

What about 61.1.2 though?

It's interesting that line 2 talks about wine and this person in life was an alcoholic. It also talks about "spiritual attraction". So, I'm spiritually attracted in some way to this person, the dead alcoholic? That sounds very "out there" to me. I need some help with this one.

 

[icastes]

It appears to me that you sincere interest in this entertainer is sparking some kind of self-reflection in yourself that need to express. It seems to me to be more about you than the entertainer. 61 is about finding the truth of things, while 20 is the contemplation of your own life. By finding the truth about this man you have struck upon something about yourself.

 

[esolo]

You could very well be right, icastes. In fact, that's the only thing that would make sense. I'm not sure what I have struck on about myself though.

Or, maybe it's not a truth about myself that I'm uncovering but the truth about something in general. I'm still trying to figure out what it is about this person. 'He' must have something to tell me.

 

[Trojina]

This is quite strange.

My interest in a certain dead entertainer started about 10 days ago. I never had an interest in this person before. In fact, I didn't even know who he was.

Now, 10 days later, I'm an expert on his life and I can't stop thinking about him. I'm fighting the urge to launch a website about him. I don't see any good ones out there and it feels like something I want to do, which seems crazy.

I can see absolutely no reason why I should be this interested in him. His niche in the entertainment world was one I never bothered engaging with. So, I'm struggling to understand this and turned to the yi,

Why can't I stop thinking about this person?

The answer was 61.1.2 > 20.

Wilhelm's commentary on line 1 talks about "secret ties" and line 2 talks about hidden cranes calling out from the shade. Hilary's translation says that "there is a another, no peace". The relating hexagram, 20, is about viewing, observing. I suppose this would represent what I'm doing, the viewing.

What about 61.1.2 though?

It's interesting that line 2 talks about wine and this person in life was an alcoholic. It also talks about "spiritual attraction". So, I'm spiritually attracted in some way to this person, the dead alcoholic? That sounds very "out there" to me. I need some help with this one.

Strange, I have known a similar thing myself. For some reason suddenly getting really interested in and knowlegable about someone dead, I never knew and had no previous interest in.


I can only think that something of this persons truth is connecting with you strongly at this time. Your answer would reflect that.

Plus its not impossible that this person is connecting with you...sounds far fetched but if you have mediumship capacities then theres no reason someone shouldn't connect with you just because they are well known. If thats not an option for you I still feel its a significant phenomenon...strangely enriching in its own way.

My advice would be to allow it into your consciousness, look at it (20) and to some extent honour it as i feel 61.2 tells you theres some genuine connection here...its not all some psychological blip. Theres some truth here for you IMO.

Its likley your interest will wane as suddenly as it started but there is something for you to think about and work with here (61.1)


BTW did something spark it ? A film or book or TV programme...or did it just arrive out of the blue ?

 

[esolo]

Hi Trojan,

It seemed to start after a strange dream. I can't say for sure if it's related to the dream, but I do remember that this seemed to start up right after that. In the dream a man was hugging me and then kissed me. He said, "I can't believe that I got to kiss you!" That was all I recall. Nothing overtly sexual, just a hug, a kiss and this remark from him. Again, I don't know if it's related to this. But, the dream seemed quite real which is unusual for me.


I can only think that something of this persons truth is connecting with you strongly at this time. Your answer would reflect that.

I agree with you. I'm not so sure about what this truth might be though. Briefly, this was a hard-drinking rock star who had an alcohol-related death. I'm neither a drinker nor a big fan of rock music. I can't for the life of me get what this is all about.

I found a biography about him and I was able to browse through it using Google's book search. As I did I found myself getting completely drawn in and then felt a crushing sadness. I was so very, very sad that he was gone. I'm getting choked up now just thinking about it. If it weren't so far away I would visit his grave, at which point I would no doubt be overcome by grief.

Plus its not impossible that this person is connecting with you...sounds far fetched but if you have mediumship capacities then theres no reason someone shouldn't connect with you just because they are well known.

I have had some very unusual experiences. So, I suppose that something like this could be happening. The reading at least suggests that I'm not losing my mind.

 

[esolo]

I've been giving this a lot of thought and I think I may have an answer to what's going on.

I asked one more question - What is the nature of this 'obsession'? - and received 14.6

He is blessed by heaven.
Good fortune.
Nothing that does not further.

Wilhelm's commentary states,

In the fullness of possession and at the height of power, one remains modest and gives honor to the sage who stands outside the affairs of the world. By this means one puts oneself under the beneficent influence descending form heaven, and all goes well. Confucius says of this line:

To bless means to help. Heaven helps the man who is devoted; men help the man who is true. He who walks in truth and is devoted in his thinking, and furthermore reveres the worthy, is blessed by heaven. He has good fortune, and there is nothing that would not further.

Several years ago I had something similar happen to me and my intuition led me toward something quite extraordinary, something that wouldn't have taken place had I not been thinking of this person. Something like that may be going on here. So, I've decided to just take down what I'm noticing, be open to it, follow it and see where it leads me. This man may have something important to "tell" me because I'm definitely being drawn to him for a reason.

 

[Trojina]

I'm wondering if the story of the persons life links into a some myth thats relevant to you. What i mean is mythological stories based on archetypes..i don't know much about it but could be some part of you recognises your own story in this persons

 

[esolo]

It's possible. On the surface anyway his life seems to have been quite different from my own. Yet, the answers suggest that there's something going on here. I will need to think about it.

I walked into a very small bookstore today and the first thing my eye settled on was a book about his band.

AND, I saw a reference to him again, just now, in a very strange place online. How very odd!

 

[rodaki]

hi esolo

I've been following your story with much curiosity and I couldn't help but stumble once more on a seeming paradox that lies in the first 2 lines of hx 61: on the one hand the world of 61 begins by cautioning against secret ties, on the other it unearths invisible connections . . hmm, is it just me or is this somewhat odd??

Often I 've wondered about that, trying to reconcile my wish to call on some extraordinary coincidences with the warning to not rely on their vortex and the closest thing I've come to in seeing some bigger picture was to assume that our lives resonate to synchronicities precisely because life is unbelievably random . . And that, without saying that we should give up making sense of it or trying to reach a conclusion about it, but with the thought of how pinning down an answer or attaching a meaning might rob the truth of its life . .

So I found that a better question to ask was not why or what, but how. How to make the best of it, how to nurture one's inspiration from it, how to live better through it and not necessarily name it or claim it; how to make sth out of it without making it something -am I making sense? So long as I've done so, synchronicities keep on coming up in my life clear and strong . . instead of trying to possess them or silence them I open up to give them space to unfold as much as I can afford to and believe that if there is a greater truth or plan to be revealed, it will in its own time (a big part of 61 imo)

my encounter with 14.6 has been limited but distinct and it pretty much agrees with what you wrote about it -it felt a bit like getting the effect of great gifts earned during such times when acquiring possessions was the last thing on my mind . . 14.6 almost feels like inherited wealth, makes me think that this might be about bringing out a connection to an ancestor of yours rather than to yourself alone . .

 

[RindaR]

I wonder if part of his appeal might be related to your shadow ? Perhaps there's a gift waiting to be uncovered there...

 

[esolo]

my encounter with 14.6 has been limited but distinct and it pretty much agrees with what you wrote about it -it felt a bit like getting the effect of great gifts earned during such times when acquiring possessions was the last thing on my mind . . 14.6 almost feels like inherited wealth, makes me think that this might be about bringing out a connection to an ancestor of yours rather than to yourself alone . .

You mean something like..I'm related to him but don't realize it? Should I do a geneology search?

I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about. But, the text of the various lines could certainly be seen that way: "secret ties", "hidden cranes".

 

[esolo]

I wonder if part of his appeal might be related to your shadow ? Perhaps there's a gift waiting to be uncovered there...

Here are a few thoughts: My life is not at all carefree and this is what his represented. It was 180 degrees from my own. Maybe my unconscious is telling me that I need to bring a few of his qualities into my life, rediscover that part of me.

 

[rodaki]

You mean something like..I'm related to him but don't realize it? Should I do a geneology search?

I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about. But, the text of the various lines could certainly be seen that way: "secret ties", "hidden cranes".

ehmm, well, that wasn't exactly what I was thinking of but hey, you never know!

What I had in mind was more like finding out whether any relatives of yours had similar issues or lives as that guy . . maybe, along with physical characteristics, we also carry emotional memories of previous generations linked to intense experiences or some such . . could it be there are such latent links that have come to the fore now?
Or maybe I'm just saying what Rinda said, in different words . .
14 could bear some resemblance to astrology's 8th house where we make do with common wealth, ancestors and our shadow, among other things . .

not so sure he had a carefree life if he had a drinking problem . .

 

[esolo]

ehmm, well, that wasn't exactly what I was thinking of but hey, you never know!

What I had in mind was more like finding out whether any relatives of yours had similar issues or lives as that guy . . maybe, along with physical characteristics, we also carry emotional memories of previous generations linked to intense experiences or some such . . could it be there are such latent links that have come to the fore now?
Or maybe I'm just saying what Rinda said, in different words . .
14 could bear some resemblance to astrology's 8th house where we make do with common wealth, ancestors and our shadow, among other things . .

not so sure he had a carefree life if he had a drinking problem . .

I've wondered if someone in my life is going to die. I do have one musician in my life whose life is similar to this man's. He's not a drinker but they share many other things in common. Is he about to die? Does 61 lines 1 and 2 make sense in that case? It doesn't seem to, not to me.

I'm not at all certain that I have even the faintest clue what this is all about. I went back to re-read 61 lines 1 and 2 and maybe Trojan is right. Maybe there IS some sort of mediumship thing happening here. Line 1 talks about secret relationships that make us uneasy and line 2 talks about attracting people who are far away.

I have had something like this happen before, but with people that I knew and who were alive. What happens is that I starting thinking of the person a lot. I kind of zone out as my thoughts and feelings become totally focused on this person. Soon after the person contacts me and I discover that he or she was thinking of me intensely. This happens every single time so I know that I'm not imagining it. What I'm feeling here is like that except that I didn't know the person and the person is dead.

 

[Trojina]

okay I'm not suggesting you go into this to the extent you start worrying about people you know dieing ! ...but consider this...its only something to think about

in the light of 61.2, someone you cannot directly reach now calls to you. Often 61.2 shows up as someone loved who you cannot meet or directly talk to

is there anyone who has passed that you were close to who you could connect with this entertainer in anyway ?

The 61.2 suggests to me this 'message' is from and through deep personal affection. Sometimes when someone loved (deceased) wants to convey something to you they may use many different ways to make the connection.


For example at one time I was getting non stop sixties hits (played in my head) for a while ...and flashes of a persons face etc etc and one time I thought whoever is sending these liked pop songs and didn't live past 1970 ! It got quite intense so one day I asked simply "who is it who is sending me these songs" and i clearly 'heard' 'uncle J' who did indeed pass over about 1970...though i had no idea he had such a penchant for pop !

I now think the reason i got pop songs from him was that when i knew him i was very young....pop songs were a big backdrop of our meetings at family gatherings..it was one way of getting my attention. As soon as I 'got' who was sending the pop songs...and understood what the connection was about the songs eased off


Hmmm so a possible hypothesis is someone who was close to you and has passed is using your interest in this entertainer to communicate with you. Would they have liked this entertainer...or would the entertainers life story have had any resemblance to their own ? Was the entertainer of the same generation of any close one who has passed so that they would be a significant feature in their life ? Also in your own life, at what time of your life would you have been hearing the music etc of this entertainer...who did you know at that time...was there anyone you knew who passed at the time that persons music was playing alot ?


Just an idea....

 

[esolo]

is there anyone who has passed that you were close to who you could connect with this entertainer in anyway ?

No.


so a possible hypothesis is someone who was close to you and has passed is using your interest in this entertainer to communicate with you. Would they have liked this entertainer...or would the entertainers life story have had any resemblance to their own ? Was the entertainer of the same generation of any close one who has passed so that they would be a significant feature in their life ? Also in your own life, at what time of your life would you have been hearing the music etc of this entertainer...who did you know at that time...was there anyone you knew who passed at the time that persons music was playing alot ?

I see what you're saying. I'd have to answer "no" to all. This guy's music has no real meaning for me other than this odd stuff happening now.

The 61.2 suggests to me this 'message' is from and through deep personal affection.

It feels that way to me as well, only it's the singer himself that I'm feeling the affection for - for some reason.

Apart from the hypothesis that the singer himself is contacting me, which seems very peculiar, I'd say that maybe my interest in him is leading me toward something else, something that will benefit me. In order to have this thing benefit me I would need to develop an intense interest in this guy because only that way would I ever be in the right place at the right time for this other thing to happen? Does that make sense? Probably clear as mud. Here's what I mean:

Right now I'm thinking of traveling to the city where he died. While I'm there I think I might like to visit one of the last places HE visited. If I feel drawn to that place perhaps it's because something will happen to me while I'm there, something beneficial. My unconscious is using this man as a way to drive me there. A theory.

 

[rodaki]

okay I'm not suggesting you go into this to the extent you start worrying about people you know dieing ! ...but consider this...its only something to think about

in the light of 61.2, someone you cannot directly reach now calls to you. Often 61.2 shows up as someone loved who you cannot meet or directly talk to


The 61.2 suggests to me this 'message' is from and through deep personal affection.

Ditto the above but I'd like to add another little twist to consider alongside Trojan's
In looking for how your ancestors or relatives might be entangled or what 'they' might need, also look for what parts of you are not being expressed . . sometimes hidden parts of us want to communicate, but they miss the ways, the channels so to speak, or the language, or they get all jumbled up in other things going on . .

it also could be that this singer inspires you to take up a different form of expressing yourself -and if that's so, please don't take up drinking!!
Singing or writing sounds nicer ..

 

[esolo]

. . sometimes hidden parts of us want to communicate, but they miss the ways, the channels so to speak, or the language, or they get all jumbled up in other things going on . .

This is what I was getting at in my response to Trojan's last post. Maybe my unconscious is driving me toward something and is using this guy to do it. He is a way to get the message through to me, but in order for it to work I need to develop an intense interest in him. When I go the city where he died I'm going to visit any spots that had meaning for HIM and see what happens.