dear people plz help with dilemma

[innertruth]

My question was should i cut all ties with one "friend" and got 19.2 to 24...

 

[ginnie]

This is a curious line in that it carries the meaning that the person referred to is not following directions or is non-compliant. The person is giving trouble. Please notice that Yi has not exactly answered your question about breaking ties. It has rather said that this person is difficult and maybe a bit of a "crazy-maker," if I may carry it that far. Sometimes Yi does not directly answer the question and will not tell you what to do. But the response is saying Yi understands that this person is causing you trouble.

 

[innertruth]

Hmm..
19.2 sounds like Success - good luck (very positive) - isn't it an answer "Yes! Cut ties, good choice"?
or that's how i saw it.
Cut ties for the better. What do you think?

 

[innertruth]

Thank you Ginnie!!

 

[innertruth]

What does Return mean here

 

[innertruth]

Ginnie, i am just curious how you saw trouble in 19.2...not questioning,just for the sake of knowing please!

 

[innertruth]

This person is a trouble,has troubles, potentially troublesome. Yes.

 

[Trojina]

I don't think you can get a great deal out of 19.2 for your exact question here because it is such a heavily loaded question in that there is so much history, you've thought about it a lot and then you ask the real 'deal breaker' question...yet I feel you cannot come to a decision on this through an answer from Yi. This has to be your choice. It's a situation you have asked a lot about isn't it ? A situation that has been dragging on ? I suspect....it's one of those times when you have thought and thought and asked and asked and you are wanting some final confirmation of what to do ? I don't think you are getting it either way here.

I associate 19 often with the nearing of spiritual connection and guidance. It's subtle. I would suggest you look at your dreams. have you recently dreamed of any ancestors ? They may be guiding you in this decision perhaps.

One thing is for sure, when you get to the stage of asking 'shall I cut all ties' things ain't good.

24 most often indicates return to self. 19.2 perhaps some kindly guidance that approaches, even from the spirit realm ? The I Ching is not the only guide available to us. We have dreams and we are open to connecting to guidance in all kinds of ways. I think your answer encourages you to try to connect with wisdom that may be coming through to you now...not only from the I Ching but from all kinds of places. Pictures in the water or the clouds...whisperings in your ear, notice your thoughts and where they come from

Not about 19.2 but 19uc but thought some of the ideas people had might help here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...eriences-with-Unchanging-Castings-Hexagram-19

 

[Liselle]

Hilary's translation of 19.2:

'Influence nearing, good fortune.
Nothing that does not bear fruit.’
​

Wilhelm:

"Nine in the second place means:
Joint approach.
Good fortune.
Everything furthers."

"When the stimulus to approach comes from a high place, and when a man
has the inner strength and consistency that need no admonition, good
fortune will ensue. Nor need the future cause any concern. He is well aware
that everything earthly is transitory, and that a descent follows upon every
rise, but need not be confused by this universal law of fate. Everything serves
to further. Therefore he will travel the paths of life swiftly, honestly, and
valiantly."
​

Trojina (who does a terrific job of remembering people's past readings here) brought in the fact that this is something you've been dealing with, and divining about, for a long time.

Maybe that is the "influence" mentioned in the text - all the accumulated influence on you by your friend that has built up to a critical point?

Looked at that way - in the context of your question being about cutting ties - it seems as if the guidance here could be to do what you asked about - break ties. As Trojina mentioned, 24 is about return to self: renewal. Look at what Wilhelm says about the line: "when a man has the inner strength" (to do what needs to be done?), "good fortune" will ensue.

He goes on to say that it should not "cause any concern" - sounds like advice not to fret or feel bad about cutting things off. "[E]verything earthly is transitory" - including our friendships? - and "a descent follows upon every rise" - there will be ups and downs, and people in and out of your life.

Don't let that confuse you, he continues - it's a "universal law of fate" (at least in this particular case, because you got this line for this situation). Wilhelm ends by saying that if you can heed this advice, you will "travel the paths of life swiftly, honestly, and valiantly," presumably without being ensnared in your friend's troubles.

I don't mean to sound cold-hearted about your friend! But if you've been trying to help for a long time (again from what Trojina said), it apparently hasn't helped, or you wouldn't still be upset and worried. Maybe there is a different source of help for your friend, but I think the reading says that it's okay for you to bow out.

LiSe Heyboer even suggests that this might actually be the "affectionate" thing to do:

"With affection nearing.
Auspicious."

"There will be harvest. Help stays weak if one is not able to live free and strong oneself. Only who is an egoist in essential life values can be a true altruist. And don’t give help where it is wasted. Help those who are able to use spiritual help or enough spirit to use material help in a positive way."​

Maybe you and your friend have been round and round these issues so often that it's doing more harm than good at this point?

LiSe mentions taking care of yourself in order to be able to help other people. And "don't give help where it is wasted. Help those who are able to use" it.

Again, maybe there's a different source of help for your friend. But it sounds as if you have done all you can.

 

[innertruth]

Dear ladies....thanks so much...you've been so supportive and clear.
Trojina, you are so spot-on it amazes me everytime. Indeed, i think i asked about this friend billions of times...While in reality nothing changed...It IS a long story and IT WAS intended as a final question...Frustration...I had connection and was in love with that person...
I had many dreams about him but not lately....
I want him to let my memory go...
I know we will never be together.
Sometimes, like you said, Trojina, some subtle feeling assures me all is well between us...but who knows in reality...i will look for signs...

Lisa, maybe you are right,maybe letting go is a natural process that my stubborn head cannot admit....I just hoped Yi would point me at something i dont see in situation......i needed guidance...

 

[ginnie]

That the other person in 19.2 is troubling comes from my own experience plus the commentary of John Blofeld, whose I Ching I especially appreciate, because it's practical.

 

[innertruth]

Thank you Ginnie.