Democracy in China: 56.3.6 to 16 and 8.2.4.5 to 40

[Fanofenka]

A user on a psychic website said that China will shift from autocracy to democracy. We have seen in 1988 protests that failed. What is going on in China currently is a political implosion, where COVID made China's economy shaky and the Three Gorges Dam is on the verge of collapse.

What is the likelihood that China shifts to a democracy? 56.3.6 Travelling (The Wanderer) to 16 Enthusiasm.
Hex 56: Traveller, creating small success. Travelling, constancy brings good fortune. (Oracle) Above the mountain is fire: Travelling. A noble one is clear and thoughtful in administering punishments, and doesn't draw out legal proceedings. (Image)
Hex 3: Traveller burns down his resting place. Loses his young helper. Constancy: danger.
Hex 6: The bird burns its nest. Travelling people first laugh, afterwards cry out and weep. Lose cattle in Yi. Pitfall.
Hex 16: Enthusiasm. Fruitful to set up feudal lords and mobilize the armies. (Oracle) Thunder bursts forth from the earth: Enthusiasm. The ancient kings composed music to honour virtue, They celebrated and worshipped the supreme lord, Joining with their ancestors. (Image)
From Hilary

Hex 56: Lu intimates that in the condition which it denotes there may be some little attainment and progress. If the stranger or traveler be firm and correct as he ought to be, there will be good fortune. (Symbolism) The trigram representing a mountain and above it that for fire form Lu. The superior man, in accordance with this, exerts his wisdom and caution in the use of punishments and not allowing litigations to continue.

• The third line, undivided, shows the stranger, burning his lodging-house, and having lost his servants. However firm and correct he try to be, he will be in peril.
• The sixth line, undivided, suggests the idea of a bird burning its nest. The stranger, thus represented, first laughs and then cries out. He has lost his ox-like docility to readily and easily. There will be evil.

Hex 16:
Yu indicates that, in the state which it implies, feudal princes may be set up, and the hosts put in motion, with advantage. The trigrams for the earth and thunder issuing from it with its crashing noise for Yu. (Symbolism) The ancient kings, in accordance with this, composed their music and did honor to virtue, presenting it especially and most grandly to God, when they associated with him at the service their highest ancestor and their father.
From Legge
56.3=It will be unlikely.
56.6=People will lose everything.
16=People will feel energized.

What will democracy in China look like? 8.2.4.5 Seeking Union (Holding Together) to 40 Release (Confined).
Hex 8: Seeking union, good fortune. At the origin of oracle consultation, From the source, ever-flowing constancy. No mistake. Not at rest, coming on all sides. For the latecomer, pitfall. (Oracle) Above earth is the stream: Seeking Union. The ancient kings founded countless cities for relationship with all the feudal lords. (Image)
Line 2: Seeking union's origin, inside. Constancy, good fortune.
Line 4: Outside, seeking union. Constancy, good fortune.
Line 5: A demonstration of seeking union: The king uses three beaters, Lets the game in front go. The city people are not coerced. Good fortune.
Hex 40: Release. Fruitful in the southwest. With no place to go, To turn round and come back is good fortune. With a direction to go, Daybreak, good fortune. (Oracle) Thunder and rain do their work: Release. A noble one pardons transgressions and forgives crimes. (Image)
From Hilary

Hex 8: Pi indicates that under the conditions which it supposes there is good fortune. But let the principal party intended in it re-examine himself, as if by divination, whether his virtue be great, unintermitting, and firm. If he be so, there will be no error. Those who have not rest will then come to him; and with those who are too late in coming it will be ill. (Symbolism) The trigram representing the earth, and over it that representing water, for Pi. The ancient kings, in accordance with this, established the various states and maintained an affectionate relation to their princes.

• In the second line, divided, we see the movement towards union and attachment proceeding from the inward mind. With firm correctness there will be good fortune.
• In the fourth line, divided, we see its subject seeking for union with the one beyond himself. With firm correctness there will be good fortune.
• The fifth line, undivided, affords the most illustrious instance of seeking union and attachment. We seem to see in it the king urging his pursuit of the game only in three directions, and allowing the escape of all the animals before him, while the people of his towns do not warn one another to prevent it. There will be good fortune.

Hex 40: In the state indicated by Hsieh advantage will be found in the southwest. If no further operations be called for, there will be good fortune in coming back to the old conditions. If some operations be called for, there will be good fortune in the early conducting of them. (Symbolism) The trigram representing thunder and that for rain, with these phenomena in a state of manifestation, form Hsieh. The superior man, in accordance with this, forgives errors, and deals gently with crimes.
From Legge
8.2=People will be working together.
8.4=The democracy will work for all.
8.5=The leader will oversee the work.
40=Deals will be offered to the population.

 

[Freedda]

What is the likelihood that China shifts to a democracy? 56.3.6 Travelling (The Wanderer) to 16 Enthusiasm.

From Legge 56.3=It will be unlikely. 56.6=People will lose everything. 16=People will feel energized.

It seems like the Yi's response is saying that there will be no shift to democracy in China, or that it's very unlikely: people will try, they will lose everything by trying, and they will return to their current form of autocratic rule, maybe more enthused about it than before.

Besides that, your question has no schedule or timeline to it. So even if democracy does come to China, will it be next year or 200 years from now?

What will democracy in China look like? 8.2.4.5 Seeking Union (Holding Together) to 40 Release (Confined).

From Legge - 8.2=People will be working together. 8.4=The democracy will work for all. 8.5=The leader will oversee the work. 40=Deals will be offered to the population.

Given that the first response says there will be no democracy in China, then this question is invalid. Or, maybe it's more in the realm of fantasy - if China were ever to have democracy, what would it look like?

And in the realm of fantasy democracy, people will work together, it will work for everyone, the leaders will oversee it ... and I suppose too that the prince will kiss the princess and she's awaken from her slumber, and someone will finally slay Godzilla!

We have seen in 1988 protests that failed. What is going on in China currently is a political implosion, where COVID made China's economy shaky and the Three Gorges Dam is on the verge of collapse.

It seems odd that you put this random list of opinions together as the preface to your question.

Yes, there were protests in 1988 (22 years ago), but they were about a range of issues, and not just democracy. And I don't see any 'implosion' of China's political system; instead when things get tough it's leaders have gotten tougher in response, not unlike what Tump, Putin, or Asssad have all done, and again, what does it have to do with democracy in China?

And as far as I can tell, the world's economy is shaky, not just China's; and the three gorges dam had to withstand massive flooding and it did so without failing in any major way, and now those floodwaters are receding, so to say it's on the 'verge of collapse' is far from accurate.

all the best ....

 

[Fanofenka]

It seems like the Yi's response is saying that there will be no shift to democracy in China, or that it's very unlikely: people will try, they will lose everything by trying, and they will return to their current form of autocratic rule, maybe more enthused about it than before.

Besides that, your question has no schedule or timeline to it. So even if democracy does come to China, will it be next year or 200 years from now?


Given that the first response says there will be no democracy in China, then this question is invalid. Or, maybe it's more in the realm of fantasy - if China were ever to have democracy, what would it look like?

And in the realm of fantasy democracy, people would work together, it will work for all, the leaders will oversee it ... and I suppose too that the prince will kiss the princess and she's awaken from her slumber, and someone will finally slay Godzilla!


It seems odd that you put this random list of opinions together as the preface to your question.

Yes, there were protests in 1988 (22 years ago), but they were about a range of issues, and not just democracy, and how do they relaate to your question? And I don't see any 'implosion' of China's political system; instead when things get tough it's leaders have gotten tougher in response, not unlike what Tump, Putin, or Asssad have all done, and again, what does it have to do with democracy in China?

And as far as I can tell, the world's economy is shaky, not just China's; and the three gorges dam had to withstand massive flooding and it did so without failing in any major way, and now those floodwaters are receding, so to say it's on the 'verge of collapse' is far from accurate.

all the best ....

Freedda, I feel that using Legge's readings is easier to interpret.

 

[Freedda]

Freedda, I feel that using Legge's readings is easier to interpret.

Meaning what? You like using Legge ? I sort of assumed that since you quote him. And I also used your Legge translations for my interpretation, so I have no issues with Legge here.

But again, I'm curious, what are you getting at when you say: "I feel that using Legge's readings are easier to interpret'? Or are you just stating the obvious?

 

[Eileen-31]

For current pertinent news concerning China and democracy we could look at Hong Kong... which hardly seems promising for democracy in the future.
And the "burning" lines of 56.3.6 lines sound quite resonant with what's happening there (HK-China) now and recently.