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TurtleDove1

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Hello community,
in the mansion block where I live someone insists on starting his dishwasher every other night at 11pm going on for over 3 hours…this is driving me insane with tiredness as the water noises make it impossible to sleep through…
I’ve been up and down the staircase in the dead of night more often than I can remember to no avail - it is very difficult to pin it down with certainty. I live on floor 3, there are 7 floors all in all, and it’s definitely above us, so floors 4, 5, 6 or 7; no one owns up to it 😡 as the rules of the mansion block strictly forbid any noise…The matter is now with the managing board ( notices put up, letters posted to all) but short of knocking on people’s door late in the evening how to find the source? I’m told…
I’ve put the following questions to the Yi Ching:

1) Which floor does the noise come from? Hex 49.1.3.6 Transformation to hex 12 Stagnation
2) Does noise come from floor 7? Hex 59.1 Dispersing to hex 61 Inner Truth
3) Floor 6? Hex 20.6 Meditation to hex 8 Union
4) Floor 5? Hex 16.4 Enthusiasm to hex 2 The Receptive
5) Floor 4? Hex 43.3 Breaking through to hex 58 The Joyous ; And hex 37.3 Family to hex 42 Increase

What is your take on this? It‘s not clear to me 😳
 

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Posting just to let you know this has been seen and I'm thinking about it. No ideas so far, though.

Interesting how in your first question you asked where it's coming from and got 49, which "comes from" 48 in the sequence of hexagrams, and 48 is the Well, where water comes from. The sequence wing says, 'The dao of the Well does not allow things not to change radically.' But other than "a change is needed now!," I don't know what to make of it.

49.1 sounds like what you've done, wear out a lot of shoe leather trying to get to the bottom of this. This is a common line-1 thing, describing the recent past maybe to sort of anchor the reading. But there are 2 other moving lines and I don't know what the advice is.
 

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Maybe one idea: don't knock on doors yourself, let the board handle it.

49.3
'Setting out to bring order means pitfall,
Constancy means danger.
Words of radical change draw near three times,
There is truth and confidence.'

49.6
Noble one transforms as a leopard,
Small people change their faces.
Setting out to bring order: pitfall.
Staying put with constancy: good fortune.'

Both lines say setting out to bring order - trying to fix things yourself, I assume - is pitfall. "Constancy means danger" in line 3 - it's dangerous to keep doing what you've been doing.

49.3 might mean all the things the board is doing will get through to the culprits and they'll mend their ways. "Staying put with constancy: good fortune" in line 6 - I'd guess that's instructions to you that you've done what you can, and now it's time to let it work. Leopards are not apex predators; in comparison to the tiger in line 5, leopards can't do what they want with impunity.

"Small people change their faces" - I don't usually know what this means, but maybe this time it means you should not be the "face" of this operation. Let the board do that, so the offending neighbor doesn't know it was you. Leopards are good at hiding.
 

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I agree with Liselle that the first reading sounds more like advice than a direct answer to your question. 49.3 makes me wonder if there is (or could be) a residents' association. If you can get more people talking about this, you may get a change of culture that makes it unacceptable. What you can't do, according to that line, is march up to someone's front door and tell them to obey the rules. (As Liselle says, the management can - but you can't.)

49.6 - how can you find a way to live with this for now? I know you shouldn't have to be looking for good earplugs, but I think the priority has to be getting a decent night's sleep in your own bed, however you can.
 

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With regard to all the other readings... this kind of yes/no approach is not one I would take, because I find it leads to answers that are too hard to interpret. This is a good example! For whatever it's worth, floor 4 (43.3) sounds most likely, but I wouldn't put money on that.
 

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49.3 makes me wonder if there is (or could be) a residents' association. If you can get more people talking about this, you may get a change of culture that makes it unacceptable.
Good point - you're probably not the only one being disturbed.

49.6 - how can you find a way to live with this for now? I know you shouldn't have to be looking for good earplugs, but I think the priority has to be getting a decent night's sleep in your own bed, however you can.
Busy adding to my 49.6 notes. I have endless trouble with this line, especially the "change faces" part. This reading might become a good example.
 

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I had 49.6 recently, in a situation where I mostly need to adapt and make the best of things, and am still wondering whether I'm the noble one, or the small people, or maybe both.
 

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Thank you for your input here Liselle and Hilary, I agree however I already have spoken to most upstairs neighbors (that’s what I meant by ‘no one is owning up to it’). This is a 1930’s mansion block and so sound travels in mysterious ways…
re trying to ‘live with it’, yes, have tried the earplugs (silicone, not silicone etc) but it goes through - this originally started in September 2021 (!)
Re 4th floor seems most likely, definitely! Hex 37 (family) is funny there, as there’s a youngish couple with a new baby born end of last summer…they were the first I spoke to, thinking logically they’d be likely to overuse dishwasher/ washing machine. They said they sometimes heard water noises too, but that they were in bed by 9pm without any machines on. Interestingly, the board also singled them out (was told by board as I chased), but family says it’s not them… Meanwhile the noise appears to originate from their kitchen.
37 LINE 3
Line 3 of Hexagram 37, People in the Home, is full of noise and emotion:

‘People in the home scold and scold,
Regrets, danger: good fortune.
Wife and child giggle and giggle.
In the end, shame.’
 
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Parents of a new baby are able to go to bed at 9? I'm sure that would amuse a lot of parents of new babies.

Hopefully peer and management pressure will have an effect. Otherwise, would some kind of white noise help you, maybe, as Hilary says, to adapt? I can't think of anything else, since you already tried Hilary's earplug idea.
 

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Parents of a new baby are able to go to bed at 9? I'm sure that would amuse a lot of parents of new babies.

Hopefully peer and management pressure will have an effect. Otherwise, would some kind of white noise help you, maybe, as Hilary says, to adapt? I can't think of anything else, since you already tried Hilary's earplug idea.
😁…well I used to sleep early when daughter finally did her nights! Their baby is now 7-8 months old so must sleep through BUT they have an older child of 5 so yes, I agree, unlikely all lights/noises are out by 9pm …
I‘m really through with adapting though, don’t forget it’s been going on for 7 months and to boot I have excellent hearing - can’t take it any longer, hear it through everything including soothing music 🥶
 

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I agree however I already have spoken to most upstairs neighbors (that’s what I meant by ‘no one is owning up to it’)
Looking at 49.3...

'Setting out to bring order means a pitfall,
Constancy means danger.
As words of radical change draw near three times,
There is truth and confidence.'

... you could think of talking to the neighbours one at a time like this, but I thought tackling it as a community might work better. I think the idea of this line is to create a natural momentum towards change, instead of trying to make it happen. So this would be less 'find who is breaking the rules so you can make them stop' and more 'start to create a culture where everyone is invested in the same result.'

(I do know how much this is easier said than done. My 49.6 recently came with a 49.3, and I can vouch for 'three times' just meaning 'again and again and again'.)
 

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Interesting questions:

1) Which floor does the noise come from? Hex 49.1.3.6 Transformation to hex 12 Stagnation
Soon to tell. However after some time you'll have enough information to address it.

Now the floors: I'd say it's not the 7th (disperse the idea & keep up with your inner truth), neither the 6th (seeing the other's life, the noble one is without mistake).
I hesitate between the 5th and the 4th. 16.4 says "don't doubt" for the 4th floor:unsure:. But the 4th seems even more likely: in 43.3 someone meets with the rain, hence 43 is called Break through and 58, Opening, communication. And 37.3 shows a family without enough discipline.

As the voice is very bothersome it's more likely to come from nearer floors, too.

P.S: I just read the comments; so everyone agrees on the likelihood of the 4th floor family to be the source of noise.
 
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Just saw your post Marybluesky 😊
The board has put up a new, very clearly worded poster in the common area demanding that this behavior and noise ceases immediately, quoting articles of common code of conduct (failure can lead to eviction here). It’s been up 3 days and at past midnight the water noises are as loud as ever.
I asked “describe noises from 4th floor family” and got hexagram 51, Shock, unchanging: repeated Thunder trigrams (sounds like the loud rumbling sound I hear), plus as a visual description, it looks like 2 vessels on top of each other I.e. double water containers. I would add to that that mentions of the chalice and sacrificial spoon bring to mind hex 48, The Well, in other words more water source… I have no doubt it is them.
 

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Without facts you must doubt. No one can ever be convicted on the basis of a Yi reading. It's just it seems as you're saying that last 51 were final proof but Yi readings can never be that since Yi readings do not count as actual evidence of guilt.
 
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1) Which floor does the noise come from? Hex 49.1.3.6 Transformation to hex 12 Stagnation
2) Does noise come from floor 7? Hex 59.1 Dispersing to hex 61 Inner Truth
3) Floor 6? Hex 20.6 Meditation to hex 8 Union
4) Floor 5? Hex 16.4 Enthusiasm to hex 2 The Receptive
5) Floor 4? Hex 43.3 Breaking through to hex 58 The Joyous ; And hex 37.3 Family to hex 42 Increase
I don't think any of these questions are going to help as they are not evidence and they cannot be used as such as I said above. Asking about the best approach to finding the source of the noise or the best approach to getting it resolved, that is a more general question, could well serve better.
 

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Without facts you must doubt. No one can ever be convicted on the basis of a Yi reading. It's just it seems as you're saying that last 51 were final proof but Yi readings can never be that since Yi readings do not count as actual evidence of guilt.
😂😂😂 evidently! This is not sharia law 😂😂😂
 

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Hi everyone,
I thought I‘d post an update on this -I waited a bit as I did not want to jinx it!: …so… about 1 month ago, after much to and fro with the board and insistence it’s their job to sort it out, the concierge and I agreed she would contact 4th floor family and set up a mutually convenient day time for that family to put their dishwasher on whilst we are in so we (and concierge) could verify whether or not it is their dishwasher keeping us up… only of course, concierge did not contact us and just went ahead, turning up on family doorstep when we were out, having them put white goods on, listening in on the landing, then informing us by phone that no, couldn't be family as “she could not discern guzzling sound from the landing”…(!)
Well, I was pretty annoyed (don’t suffer fools gladly), explained once more that sound is not discernible at 7pm in the busy/ noisy Centre of a capital city the way it is in the dead of night, BUT, from that day onwards the noise stopped 😁🤞 !!
So I think that it really was a case that that family needed to be told repeatedly and faced with the fact that no matter how many times they said ‘it’s not us’ (to me, to the board, to the concierge -“words if radical change draw near 3 times”-). they would be repeatedly checked again and again (2 letters from board + 2 phone calls + 1 visits from concierge) - only then would “small people change their faces”!

49.3
'Setting out to bring order means pitfall,
Constancy means danger.
Words of radical change draw near three times,
There is truth and confidence.'

49.6
Noble one transforms as a leopard,
Small people change their faces.
Setting out to bring order: pitfall.
Staying put with constancy: good fortune.'
 

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