Did someone put a curse or an evil spirit in me?

[kiching00]

Someone tried to do a spiritual cleanse for me and they said that they couldn't remove an evil spirit out of me because someone put a curse on me.

I want to know if there is any truth to this. Iching gave me almost the same answer twice.

Hexagram 59.6 to 29
59. Dissolving

Line 6:

Scattering one's blood.
Leaving to go far away.
Without fault.

Leaving a harmful situation, so as to get to safety. It is not wrong to do so.


And hexagram 29.6 to 59.
29. Abyss

Line 6:

Tied with a good rope,
placed in thorn bushes.
For three years no gains.
Misfortune.

Something is bound to an inaccessible place, so that it cannot be of advantage for a long time. Things don't go well.

That second answer sounds really scary. "Tied with a good rope. Bound to an inaccessible place"

Please help!! I don't want to believe this is true!

 

[Tohpol]

59.6> 29

The background Hex mirrors the second reading, that of pit of danger or something out of balance.
59 is concerned with reorganisation, dispersal and correcting ourselves in some way.

In line 6, is about "dispersing blood" the latter of which is symbolic of vital energy. So, something has to be dispersed or cleansed. This may mean simply mean putting worry at a distance of course. However, what is clear is that the sources of "blood-shed" (i.e. the draining of your energy) needs to be removed.

In the second reading Hexagrams are reversed giving a similar answer from another angle - a very clear and literal answer.

29.6>59

Line 6, from Wikiwing: "Someone’s imprisoned – not just with physical constraints, but ritually/magically bound."

So, you have two possibilities here.

1) That this is a rather literal rendering of a spirit attachment that needs to be dealt with. Or:
2) This is about releasing yourself from the situation which has been misunderstood. After all, in the commentary of the background Hex to line 6: "... in this instance the Yi is warning us that we're on the wrong track. There is often a way out of this prison: Change your mind now on the issue under discussion to avoid the trap."

I'd perhaps ask a third question to act as a summary of the two: "Please advise on the course of action I need to take regarding this issue."

 

[Trojina]

Someone tried to do a spiritual cleanse for me and they said that they couldn't remove an evil spirit out of me because someone put a curse on me.

I want to know if there is any truth to this. Iching gave me almost the same answer twice.

Hexagram 59.6 to 29
59. Dissolving

Line 6:

Scattering one's blood.
Leaving to go far away.
Without fault.

Leaving a harmful situation, so as to get to safety. It is not wrong to do so.

The person who told you this is a charlatan,...get away from them as soon as possible as they feed your neuroses. That's what 59.6 means here IMO.

And hexagram 29.6 to 59.
29. Abyss

Line 6:

Tied with a good rope,
placed in thorn bushes.
For three years no gains.
Misfortune.

Something is bound to an inaccessible place, so that it cannot be of advantage for a long time. Things don't go well.

That second answer sounds really scary. "Tied with a good rope. Bound to an inaccessible place"

Please help!! I don't want to believe this is true!

It isn't clear what question you asked here...but for goodness sake stop worrying. The only pit you will fall into is having faith in charlatans. Hope you didn't pay them

 

[Trojina]

You seem to spend much time worrying about what assorted psychics say. For example here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?18355-Which-psychic-was-more-accurate is there any chance you could update us on what actually happened ?

 

[Tohpol]

Ah, there's a bit of history behind this one then...

If I'd known there was a history of psychic readings ...Not apart from telling someone is "cursed" being highly unethical...

 

[sooo]

Yi has a way of always trying to pull us back to center.

There's a reason temple mandalas place temple dogs/dragons/guardians at the four entrances of the temple, or mind center. There's a reason Chinese roofs avoid using straight lines. There's a reason even old hotels placed gargoyles on their roofs.

Don't let any superstition (evil) in your mind that you don't wish to host. Bind them and cast them out, disperse them, strip them away, and don't look back.

 

[kiching00]

Hello everyone. Thank you for your responses.

Trojina, this isn't a psychic he's a personal friend of mine, and his uncle was the one doing the spiritual cleansing on me.

Also to update you guys on the story, his uncle told me it was the man that I was interested in (his girlfriend), his girlfriend was the one who put the curse/evil spirit on me so that I could stay away from him.

The whole point of this ritual was to help me get over him, but rather than being completely cleansed, I was told that I couldn't because I had a major block on me, which was the evil entity/witchcraft that couldn't be removed.

Also, my direct question in this reading was literal both times. "Yi, what are your thoughts on if I have an evil spirit or a curse in me." And it gave me 59.6 and 29.6, a back to back reflection.

It's interesting that topal brings up a really good point that my reading could be a literal answer to me having a "spiritual attachment" which is why I've been worried sick over this.
"Line 6, from Wikiwing: "Someone’s imprisoned – not just with physical constraints, but ritually/magically bound." Isn't that a direct literal answer to having an evil spirit in me??

I took your advice and asked yi twice what I should do in regards to this evil spirit/curse and it gave me

39 unchanging limping

I asked for clarity again and it gave me
5.2 to 63.

Not sure what to think again. :/

 

[Trojina]

no updates on your other thread then ? you asked loads of questions there about which psychic was best....so which psychic was best ? I'm lost. Was that update about the other thread or this thread ?

 

[kiching00]

That's a previous thread, why is that even relevant to my current reading now? And both psychics were wrong, I ended up staying in la and not moving. And that guy and I are still friends, and I'm working on healing myself from him.

And like I said, this is not a psychic I am seeing. He is my friend's uncle who is not charging me at all. He was only trying to help me, and he brought it to my attention that I have a major blockage on me.

Could you please answer my question? I don't want any drama now, as I'm already in enough stress. If you can't, then please let others answer. Thank you.

P.s. My apologies for not responding or updating everyone on the last thread. I will make sure to do that moving forward.

 

[Trojina]

The whole point of this ritual was to help me get over him, but rather than being completely cleansed, I was told that I couldn't because I had a major block on me, which was the evil entity/witchcraft that couldn't be removed.

Rest assured it's utter balderdash ! People have trouble getting over people all the time....there wouldn't be any pop songs otherwise....doesn't mean they are subject to witch craft. Even if someone did curse you you have your own defences, why not use them. The first defence is not to believe in this rubbish and not be vulnerable to everything any one tells you.

 

[Trojina]

That's a previous thread, why is that even relevant to my current reading now? And both psychics were wrong, I ended up staying in la and not moving. And that guy and I are still friends, and I'm working on healing myself from him.

And like I said, this is not a psychic I am seeing. He is my friend's uncle who is not charging me at all. He was only trying to help me, and he brought it to my attention that I have a major blockage on me.

Could you please answer my question? I don't want any drama now, as I'm already in enough stress. If you can't, then please let others answer. Thank you.

Fine ...if you feel unable to respond in any way to people's previous answers on the thread I will copy and paste it for you.

 

[Trojina]

Sharing readings is a two way thing. We don't learn anything if you won't respond or give feedback.

Anyway I have no updated the other thread for you.

People refer to these threads for help with readings...it's all part of the give and take. If you cannot take 2 seconds to respond to or update a thread then how does that help anyone.


There is no need to be stressed about imaginary witchcraft attacks anyway. There is no curse or witchcraft attack....end of problem

 

[Liselle]

There is no need to be stressed about imaginary witchcraft attacks anyway. There is no curse or witchcraft attack....end of problem

Trojina, I agree with you about that - I don't believe in curses, or witchcraft, or voodoo, etc., either , and I agree that the reading was telling him to get away from the anxiety and the bad influences of people telling him he had a curse on him.

The thing is, though - I've had readings like this. Kiching asked about something he was worried about. We don't actually have proof there are no such things as curses; most of us just assume there aren't, using common sense and the prevailing opinions of most reasonable people.

But if the evil spirit thing was complete nonsense, the I Ching could have said so, right? It could have yelled at him to stop being a ridiculous idiot. Surely there is such a line? But it didn't do that. It gave him readings about getting away from something that was bound to him. I can easily see how that plays into the fears of someone who thinks they have an evil spirit stuck in them!

As I said, I think you're completely, unequivocally correct in your interpretation. But they weren't our readings; they were Kiching's, and Kiching is coming from an entirely different place than we are. If I was in his shoes I don't know if I'd be convinced either. (And personally I don't know that his history with psychics is all that relevant. We think it's a bad habit. But Kiching is actually worried.)

I don't know what to do about this, obviously... This kind of thing with the I Ching just exhausts me. Maybe there is nothing productive that can be said ...

 

[Greenkid]

If this of any use - I have heard and read that a person can only be cursed if they actually accept the curse; also that a curse -so called can be sent back to the person who originated it perhaps by mirror - problem solved. Also a person can protect themselves from bad vibrations by imagining themselves enclosed in an egg shaped white or golden light. Your Guardian Angel will protect you in any case. Dismiss your worries.

 

[goddessliss]

I agree with what's been said about curses etc. not really being possible, but working in the psychic realm as I do, you become very sensitive to others and can encounter what they call psychic attack - this is what I use to combat such things.

http://ausflowers.com.au/Combination-Essences/Meditation-Essence-30ml

The other thing - about 'psychic' readings noone can predict 100% what is going to happen for you and the readings are all about suggestion of possibilities, not set in concrete, as we are all able to use our free will at any given moment in time.

- Liss

 

[Trojina]

Yes. I have worked as a healer and energy worker too and you can't do that without some awareness of guarding against less friendly energies. So Lisa I was not saying black magic does not exist. I was saying the source of fear here was the person who unethically told kaching s/he was cursed/given evil spirit (actually a curse and an evil spirit are two different things anyway). The only reason she is scared is because this person told her she could not be fully cleansed.

59.6 asks you to distance yourself from fear. hence IMO there cannot be a clearer answer than this.....move away from what is causing you fear. However if you don't do this and decide to stay fearful then you have a 29.6 situation where you well and truly imprison yourself by making yourself very vulnerable to others suggestions.

Practically if you still feel fear kaching then simple prayer is cleansing enough IMO. Whether you are a Christian or not I think calling on the Christ energy or however you like to call it, acts like a strong disinfectant in terms of 'cleansing'. Try it. Say the Lords prayer. Whatever your beliefs I think this prayer is helpful in such situations. Or maybe prayers from another religion ? it doesn't matter what religion as long as you are calling on powers for good greater than yourself....and these will always be greater than puny curses....even if they exist which I very much doubt in this case...(.since Lisa the nature of the curse is apparently that kaching cannot get over a relationship. )


Kaching has the idea that s/he is prone to forces she can do nothing about. The I Ching says remove yourself from these fears. I state that as 'don't believe in this , blow it away....go away from it.

Lisa I think the previous psychic readings thread was relevant as it is about the same relationship and no response/update was ever made to the input there. That issue was already cleared up.

kaching said

P.s. My apologies for not responding or updating everyone on the last thread. I will make sure to do that moving forward.

59.6 and 29.6 are very clear answers IMO about distancing from fear (59.6) and what happens when you don't (29.6). One way to cast out such fear is to call it nonsense, not believe in it....shrug it off....that is what I was trying to say. As I say if you cannot then use prayers. The last thing you need to believe in is that there is some curse stronger than you are. There isn't ! You are already free of it if it ever even existed and I don't think it did.

 

[sooo]

Guard your mind. Set out the dragon dog at your gates and nothing of this sort can enter. But if you let it inside, you host the curse, demon, dark energy - whatever you wish to name it. The dragon dog may be Jesus, Avalokiteśvara, your grandmother, guardian angel or Fido; whatever you lend power to and/or believe in that is greater than your fear. Don't even entertain such, as that lends power to "it", which is unlikely to be something or someone other than yourself. Bind it and cast it out; if you need to use a name to believe you have that authority then use it. Better to not let it in in the first place, but once inside it can become a real threat if you let it.

 

[sooo]

dragon dog (Foo Dog) temple guard

 

[Liselle]

So Lisa I was not saying black magic does not exist.

Okay. I thought you meant it didn't...okay. I really have no idea; I've never given two seconds thought or investigation into evil spirits, curses, etc.; I've only ever just at them.

59.6 asks you to distance yourself from fear. hence IMO there cannot be a clearer answer than this.....move away from what is causing you fear.

I agree that's how we usually interpret it, and also how 29 is often interpreted, but 59.6 doesn't actually mention fear specifically, right? It just says that some boundary has been breached so badly that it can't contain what it's supposed to contain, and to get away to safety. I can certainly see how that could be fear or even a panic attack (which is certainly fear spilling way over reasonable boundaries), and a remedy for unfounded fear is to get away from it by telling yourself that it's just unfounded fear.

In the context of Kiching's question, I guess I wasn't seeing how we could be certain the reading was talking about unfounded fear rather than some actual curse that has actually pierced Kiching's actual boundaries (if such things exist). The reading, in the context of the question, seemed like one of those which could be saying two very different things, both of which could apply to the situation asked about, but which call for two different responses from the querent (getting away from this psychic is different from getting away from an actual evil spirit). How are we supposed to know what it is that Yi actually meant? I find such readings endlessly frustrating.

Are you reconciling that by saying you think the reading is about both at once? Don't go back to this psychic (who told Kiching there's no remedy for the evil spirit he told Kiching is inhabiting him), AND do things to actually get rid of the alleged evil spirit? You said this:

59.6 and 29.6 are very clear answers IMO about distancing from fear (59.6) and what happens when you don't (29.6). One way to cast out such fear is to call it nonsense, not believe in it....shrug it off....that is what I was trying to say. As I say if you cannot then use prayers. The last thing you need to believe in is that there is some curse stronger than you are. There isn't ! You are already free of it if it ever even existed and I don't think it did.

Which, okay. I didn't know that curses (if they even exist) could be gotten rid of so easily, by shrugging them off like gnats. That is good to know. (As I said, I've never looked into the subject at all. We have now had a black magic teaching moment, thank you .)

Lisa I think the previous psychic readings thread was relevant as it is about the same relationship and no response/update was ever made to the input there. That issue was already cleared up.

Yes, I saw that, and as one who visits the archives quite regularly, I appreciate you making sure it was taken care of .

I thought you were getting after Kiching for going to psychics obsessively. Which may actually be the case; I was only saying that if it is, whatever is causing Kiching to do this is unlikely to be dispelled by us telling him to stop it. If the I Ching was telling him to stop it, it might have more impact.

 

[poised]

Foo Dogs to the Rescue

Nice photo sooo. Dragon temple dogs also called Foo Dogs

Alternatively, Lisa, you might get a real Chinese Foo Dog to frighten away those who wish you harm. Dogs always know who is on your side and who is a threat.

http://www.gotpetsonline.com/pictures/gallery/dogs/spitz-dogs/chinese-foo-dogs/chinese-foo-dog-0001/

 

[sooo]

Nice photo sooo. Dragon temple dogs also called Foo Dogs

Alternatively, Lisa, you might get a real Chinese Foo Dog to frighten away those who wish you harm. Dogs always know who is on your side and who is a threat.

http://www.gotpetsonline.com/pictures/gallery/dogs/spitz-dogs/chinese-foo-dogs/chinese-foo-dog-0001/

Wow, the real one really does resemble the mythical Foo Dog, very lion like. I also thought it interesting that there are commonly two Foo Dogs guarding an entrance: the female on the left, as one enters, with her left paw/claw on her cub, and male on the right, with his right paw/claw on a sphere, together symbolizing guardians of earth and heaven, or natural and supernatural.

 

[Liselle]

Alternatively, Lisa, you might get a real Chinese Foo Dog to frighten away those who wish you harm. Dogs always know who is on your side and who is a threat.

My cats would not be amused if I brought that pooch home! But anyway, it's not me with the problem. Maybe Kiching is a dog person, though.

 

[foreverthine]

I had a similar situation in which, just for fun, I went to a local tarot card reader just to see what the cards said. She ended up telling me that I my ex husband had put a curse on me never to find love again by burying something of mine in the ground (which he actually, honestly did!). However, she told me it was going to me $5000 for her to remove the curse. I googled curses and discovered this was a trick that some tarot readers do in order to get people to pay them large sums of money. At the time of the reading, I was shocked and it actually did make sense. Every relationship I had after my divorce ended in some horrible, dramatic and completely jarring way. I did an iching reading about whether there was a curse and received hex 46.3 and decided it meand nothing was there (an empty city).

I also read that you can take baths in epsom salt to remove the toxins within our bodies, and I did this, too, for extra measure. The previous poster also was correct in saying we can send the curse back by mentally placing mirrors all around us and projecting the image back on the other person. We can also protect ourselves by imaging our beings in an egg filled and projecting nothing but love. I feel protected every time I think of God and keep him foremost in my mind.

The cords that bind us in 29.6 IMO, are nothing more than our own internal demons. I often get this line when I am bound in emotional chains. I don't think your friend's uncle had ill intentions; he might have just been picking up your wounds -- and possibly from other lifetimes. Don't despair.

 

[Liselle]

by burying something of mine in the ground (which he actually, honestly did!).

She actually knew that ? Or was it something you innocently told her, and then she decided to use it to try to extort $5000 from you?

 

[sooo]

My ex put so many curses on me, I couldn't possibly count them, but I know a number of them have held true over the last 15 years. She do things like send chicken bones to old friends for revenge. I had demonic dreams of her shortly before she passed away, and some afterwards. Such a nice Christian woman, her church friends would say. I've come to believe in the idea of entering perfect light upon passing over, as I experienced her only hours later as she stood there watching when I put Mojo down. And through attachments to this world, becoming more and more dense in gross matter, falling lower and lower down the chakras until her hatred and revenge kept not only her but her sons bound to her fallen soul. I've learned to live in peace without the things which she'd cursed I'd never have and with the things I would have to bear.

Evil can indeed be held in check but not permanently abolished. It always returns. This conviction might induct melancholy, but it should not; it ought only to keep us from falling into illusion when good fortune comes to us. If we continue mindful of the danger, we remain persevering and make no mistakes. As long as a man's inner nature remains stronger and richer than anything offered by external fortune, as long as he remains inwardly superior to fate, fortune will not desert him. - Wilhelm 11.3

 

[Liselle]

Sooo, I'm asking this from a place of complete ignorance - I've never looked into the subject of curses for one second - do you actually believe that's possible? For someone to put curses on someone else, or moreover, to do so by mailing them a chicken bone?

I mean, maybe chicken bones have symbolism attached to them that don't know about - fine - but someone could put a curse on someone by sending them a bone in an envelope?

 

[foreverthine]

I never thought about curses either until I went to the tarot reader! She laid out a huge spread on a table and then told me that I was supposed to have a new family already, but someone had placed a curse on me. She and I had not talked about it before and I did see the card for 'partnership' in her spread. When she said that the person had buried something, I almost fell over. She had no way of knowing that my ex had literally taken a Native American fetish that I had and buried it in the ground. He did so because, during my struggle to get pregnant, I buried something of mine that symbolized childbirth and family and, lo and behold, a few weeks later we discovered I was pregnant. I don't know what made me think to bury my trinket, but I had such bad vibes from it that I could hardly look at it. Someone had actually sent it to me as a gift. I buried it as a way to release the negativity I was feeling about it, but then a friend later told me that it wasn't the trinket that was giving me negative vibes, it was the fact I was with the wrong partner. I was too determined to have a baby though to see the forest through the trees.

When we divorced, I started to date an old boyfriend and my ex became extremely immature. Lying to me about things and even breaking into my apartment to go through my journals. The tarot reader told me he had help from someone who practices black magic, who in addition to telling him to bury my fetish, had him plant something in the ground that would grow roots. As the roots would strengthen, so would the hardening of my heart until I decide to never be with another man again. The scary thing is that when I do relationship readings, I constantly get 29.6 (and I actually just now made that connection )

I don't know if I believe in curses and a good friend of mine has told me there is only God; however, I do put protection around myself when dealing with my ex. Like sooo's friend, people know him to be a "great" guy. However, I believe that his character shows otherwise especially in times of emotional stress.

I had never heard of people sending chicken bones or anything else to curse someone and I am not sure I really believe in them. I have to honestly say though, I have walked around the pond where I used to live looking for oddly placed plants. lol

 

[anon]

 

[anon]

 

[sooo]

Sooo, I'm asking this from a place of complete ignorance - I've never looked into the subject of curses for one second - do you actually believe that's possible? For someone to put curses on someone else, or moreover, to do so by mailing them a chicken bone?

I mean, maybe chicken bones have symbolism attached to them that don't know about - fine - but someone could put a curse on someone by sending them a bone in an envelope?

It was the deviance, her hatred, and her dark laughter when she told me what she had done to people whom I considered to be friends. They were shocked and thought she was mentally disturbed, and they were right. It wasn't a single bone, it was the chicken without flesh, it was the intent, the message. You would have to know her to understand, and I don't think she is someone you would care to know. I won't go into it more than that. Believe or don't believe what you will.