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On dragons, if we're speaking of oriental rather than medieval dragons, it is still yang, even when in the earth or lake. Thunder/lightening/dragon either represents heaven or the first son of heaven (representative). There are false earthly dragons, however, such as in 2.6.
 
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Correction: the sailor's knot tool is called a Marlin Spike, which I'm guessing refers to the marlin's bill. Not completely unlike a horn, huh?
 

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A snake that turns out to be a rope, the dispelling of illusions, is that also 59? Think so ...
40 does indeed seem to be more down to earth. Perhaps so much that the idea that the rope could be a snake doesn't even enter ones mind.
One sees only the rope. And the knot in the rope. And unties it. Very practical!
 
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Dispelling illusions, yes. It works in both directions. But doesn't 40 do that as well? (lol, this is where my question arose.) So far, for me, the nature of the effecting force is what separates the two, and unties the knot. That sounds reasonable and disperses my question.
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When the Yi was written knots were more common in daily life. People used to carry around a little antler tip on their waistbands, called a knot horn, to set things free. Hence the horn radical in the character for "liberate". LiSe explains this on her website.
 

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Well, if I meet the madonna and I am in a 40 mood I will probably pinch her (or myself). Or try to analyze her to pieces. Destroy her somehow. Or at least undress her ... unveil her.
But in a 59 mood ... I think I will take her hand and let her guide me to the inner temple. I will not try to unveil her, I will leave the mystery intact and go along with it. And that is because her appearance as the madonna might be an illusion, but her essence is perhaps real.

In the end the outcome is the same, the madonna is recognized as an illusion and disappears. But the reality that remains is different.

Does this recoil your snake?
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Martin, yes, it does. I have no interest in virgins, or female rock legends. Now, Kuan Yin is another matter.
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Brad, don't know how I missed that in LiSe's site, though she only indirectly refers to the marlin spike or horn as a means of removing knots. Her primary reference, as you know, is to "remove the horns", which I interpret as losing ones defense mechanism. Interesting about their common use on belts.
 

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40 pairs as an opposite with 37 and they both focus on the 'coin' of tension release. 40 does it by relaxation of structure, 37 does it by ensuring rigid structure.

The local PAIR (adjacent hexes derived from the same 5 lines in the binary sequence) of 40,64 cover issues of relaxation of structure, either suddenly (unconditionally) - 40 - or over some sequence ( and so mis-sequencing is a property of 64 - the relaxed crossing of water can get one's tail wet)

The local PAIR of 37,63 covers issues of maintaining rigid structure - expressed in 63 as 'correct sequence' and in 37 in the form of a 'correct' structure - as in any collective (family/clan etc where all are in their 'right' places)

OTOH 59 covers the lifting of the fog, and so the dispelling of illusions, and complements 55 where the focus is on a threat of being 'fogged' in the form of abundance/diversity - as there are many riches so there are many thieves to take them.

59 as such then covers lifting the fog through bringing forth something particular whereas with 55 there is a potential bringing-forth of many particulars (diversity) and so a need for awareness.

59 pairs locally in the binary aequence with 29. 29 covers issues of containment/control unconditionally, 59 does it conditionally (a particular that dispels "illusions")

55 pairs locally in the binary sequence with 30. 30 covers issues of guidance/direction-setting (an ideology etc) and as such is conditional. 55 covers the unconditional aspects (many possible ideologies etc)

I have not gone into the spectral analysis - the above is just from using the binary sequence to analyse the relationships without applying recursion to each hexagram (the spectral dynamic and XOR)

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to make the point re 59/55, the manner of dispelling/dispersing covers tension issues but not in the same form of 40/37 (in 55 the diverity/abundance is a THREAT to happen, the container is not yet 'broken' to release its content. the binary order around 55 is 63,37,55,30 where the middle of the octet 'cuts' 37,55 and so is a reflection point of 37 and 55 being some form of 'opposite' - which they are in that both cover issues of rigid structuring - a theme linked to the nature of fire as a container of 'something', a boundary that moves outwards (thye family/ideology "grows"), as compared to water that is a boundary that works inwards (keep things in/out - the boundary protects)

Fire-based hexagrams have a focus on issues of an expanding boundary and so an aire of exploitation (emotionally it covers issues of acceptance/accepting).

Water-based hexagrams have a focus on issues of a still or contracting boundary and so an aire of protection. (emotionally it covers issues of rejection/rejecting)

if we order things as:

29,59,40,64 .... 63,37,55,29 this gives us 'opposites'. But we can also slide the left over the right to give us:

29,59,40,64 (yin path)
63,37,55,29 (yang path)

This gives us variations on a theme (only difference is the bottom line in each column of hexs) and here 40 pairs with 55. In this pairing so 40 lets out the content of the container, 55 keeps it in (and starts to threaten release)

OTOH 59 pairs with 37 and so covers the maintaining of structure through different methods.

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oops - I may have introduced some confusion re the 'variations on a theme' concept so let me flesh it out.

In the FULL binary sequence I can 'slide' all of the yin-based hexagrams sequence 'over' the yang-based hexagrams sequence to give a 'variations on a theme' form of interpretation where the only difference is the bottom line of the hexagram pairs we can make up (and so 02/24, 23/27 etc)

As shown before, due to the self-referencing involved in the IC so when we extract octets (four yin octets and four yang octets) the SAME METHODOLOGY is applicable in analysis.

In the 'big picture' if I slide water-based hexagrams over the yang side they map to lake-based hexagrams. BUT I can also take opposite octets and do the same thing. In this case water is mapped to fire. So we have, AS OPPOSITES (column pairs):

07,04,29,59,40,64,47,06
13,49,30,55,37,63,22,36

If we then introduce the variations on a theme we have (column pairs):

07,04,29,59,40,64,47,06
36,22,63,37,55,30,49,13

IOW methodologies applicable to the WHOLE binary sequence are applicable to the OCTETS that make up that sequence (the self-referencing due to recursion means the octets are 'micro' binary sequences)

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