do before or after? 63.4 (49), 21-1 (35)

[moss elk]

Greetings all,

I've decided to do something, now there is just the issue of the timing.
Should I do it before or after x?

I asked:
What if I do it before x? 63.4 (49)
And
What if I do it after x? 21.1 (35)

My thoughts:
63.4 (49)
think of the misfortune that may come and take precaution against it.
on guard all day..
is the time right for this?

21.1 (35)
A finite time period of restriction that requires acceptance and patience,
That leads to expansion/progress/advancement.

I am leaning towards 'After' (21.1)
Opinions welcomed.

 

[Trojina]

I'd see it the other way. 63.4 might say 'a stitch in time saves nine', fine clothes turn to rags....it is saying if you do this before x then you have exercised prudence. If you wait until after you suffer minor embarrassment and are wrong footed, you can't go anywhere....your feet are in the stocks.(21.1)

So to me this is clearly in favour of 'do it before x'.


I might be wrong....I am occasionally but that is what I think

 

[moss elk]

Trojina, I can certainly see that take on it.

If I had recieved 49.4 I would think it was saying, go for it, the time for revolution is Before.
But, I didn't, I got 63.4. (A line of which I am still unclear about the meaning, it seems to me one with a great deal of conflicting interpretations)

I'm thinking of the 21.1 as a snapshot of waiting and why.
Yes, I did something wrong. Not Wrong Wrong, not unethical, just a small error (no animals were harmed in the making) that is restricting me and that I can work to correct.

 

[moss elk]

I might be wrong....I am occas. nally but that is what I think

Yeah, me too. Trying to minimize that going forward.

Any other takes on the timing issue?

 

[mirian]

Moss Elk,

I would go for 63.4 as well. This always gives me the idea that on the surface things seem to be OK but they aren't, it doesn't appear that there is something to be done, but there is. For me, it is a warning that something is being neglected and I think 63.4 is saying that rectifying should be done sooner rather than later.

By the way, Wilhelm/Baynes translation mentions a different version on 63.4 that reads "It has a leak, but there are rags for plugging it up". Just a thought.

 

[Trojina]

If I had recieved 49.4 I would think it was saying, go for it, the time for revolution is Before.
But, I didn't, I got 63.4. (A line of which I am still unclear about the meaning, it seems to me one with a great deal of conflicting interpretations)

So you decide what hexagram and line would come up if it were a 'go now'

64.4 is your answer, so this isn't a 49ish situation....it is about making preparations for crossings (64). I can't see that it helps to think Yi would l have given me this if.....It gave you 64.4. I think it's really clear. I think it's advising to take precautions as soon as possible. 21.1 shows the embarrassment and difficulty of not doing it till later.

As I don't know your situation of course then maybe you are right because perhaps your whole feeling on it says to do it later ?




I have a similar issue with doing the dishes. Now or Later. I should do them now but it is tempting not to.

 

[sooo]

I asked:
What if I do it before x? 63.4 (49)
And
What if I do it after x? 21.1 (35)

Hey, Moss Elk.

I'm seeing the first as a temporary fix and a premature start to real progress and change. It may solve some immediate problems but only temporarily.

The second is a first step toward to a more permanent solution, but rather than moving forward, progress is made by holding back or being held back.

So in way they're both saying the same thing. Real change and progress depends upon the time, the way an animal molts only when the time is right. Trying for force change is not advised, though there's no harm in taking preventative measures until then.

 

[moss elk]

Thanks again everyone.
Will update with details in the future.


And Trojina, I am happy to say that I am not quite delusional enough at the moment to think I know what answer I will recieve.
I meant only that, if I did get the 49.4 I would certainly take it as saying : make the change now.
(Since 49 seems very much about timing)

 

[Olga Super Star]

Thanks again everyone.
Will update with details in the future.

Moss
Perhaps you remember how it went?

 

[moss elk]

Moss
Perhaps you remember how it went?

I can explain it now.

It was part of a series of readings
regarding my health & fitness.

I was very fit and athletic in the past.
But, had gained a substantial amount of weight (55 lbs) over three years,
right after a brutally difficult (mentally & emotionally) three years long situation and two subsequent accidental injures. (Sprained ankle, Torn tendons & Broken foot)

The readings should be seen as a conversation like this:
Q-Should I do this before I lose weight?
A- 63.4 (You're once-good-health is wearing out...)
Q-Should I do it After?
A- 21.1 (well, you can't go there now...)

Later readings confirmed these perspectives.
Q-Ugh, what's wrong with me?
A-43.4 (your a$$ has been completely and thoroughly kicked, progress is inferior now, let others lead you)

Q-How about doing it X way?
A-17.5 Trusting in excellence, promising.

Same Q, one year later:
A-17.5 Trusting in excellence, promising.

Same question two years later:
A-17.5 Trusting in excellence, promising.

So, Now I understand.
(And to note: have lost 35 lbs in the last year and am continually rehabilitating the foot & ankle. The once pronounced limp & excruciating pain is now barely noticeable)

 

[Olga Super Star]

Thank you but.. I dont get the silk line yet

 

[moss elk]

Thank you but.. I dont get the silk line yet

Look at the pattern within the words:

1-Something of good, fine, or excellent quality. (the silk jacket)

2-Is going to degrade from entropic change. (Into dirty old rags)

3-Be aware of and cautious about that fact.

So, then it becomes about
Identifying *What*
within your inquired-about-situation
is being referred to.

 

[Olga Super Star]

Ok but did you do (Whatever you were asking about ) before losing weight or after it?

 

[moss elk]

Ok but did you do (Whatever you were asking about ) before losing weight or after it?

If the question is asked just out of curiosity, or to finish the story,
The answer is:
I am working towards the goal in the way that gave me the 17.5 readings. ( and it is After)

But,

If you are trying to apply my received answers to simple meanings of 'yes' or 'no',
that would be an error of simplifying that misses the point of the depth of dialog.
(Sometimes we get more info than we expect)

It will vary with each individual,
But If I had to estimate my own experience, I would say that I get 'direct' answers 80% of the time and 'other' sorts of answers 20% of the time.

The first two readings here were in the 20% category, the 3x 17.5 was in the 80% category.