Do I have an entity inside me? Is that my gut problem? and Yi's answer, 39.1.5 to 36.

[Melissa_here]

Hello all!

Me back again, asking more gut questions!

I have had these issues for two decades. And trying to find the solution is starting to kill me (again).

The reason for this question is that I met with a kinesiologist yesterday who suggested that I might have an entity inside me. I feel this to be true. There feels like there is no other explanation to this. I have an appointment with her in 4.5 hours from now.

I received 39.1.5 to 36

39.1 - Wing: If you have met with an obstacle in your path, do not attempt to overcome it. Instead, pull back from the situation and wait out the trouble. You will know the right moment for action when you can move with ease.

I am not sure about this. Does it mean about the appointment which I did ask about?

39.5 - Wing: Even in the most desperate struggles, your spirit alone will attract others. This co-operation will bring you success in your endeavors. Obstacles will give way.

I am hoping this to mean that I have attracted the right types of healers into my life, and that this will resolve itself.

I would love any help on this at all!

Thank you!

 

[Trojina]

The reason for this question is that I met with a kinesiologist yesterday who suggested that I might have an entity inside me. I feel this to be true. There feels like there is no other explanation to this. I have an appointment with her in 4.5 hours from now.

What an utterly idiotic and irresponsible thing for this kinesiologist to say ! No ethics, no sense of responsibility just telling you you may have an entity inside you ! It shouldn't be allowed , s/he shouldn't be allowed to practise at all. How the heck does this flake think it affects people to be told they have an entity inside them for goodness sake !


Of course you haven't got an entity inside you, you don't need a Yi cast to tell you that !

No there is no entity inside you - you have bad guts but there is no entity !

Don't go near any healer that tells you have entities inside you. Any reputable healer belonging to a professional healing body would not be allowed to tell you such lies.

 

[Melissa_here]

Every Kinesiologist I’ve worked with has identified entities and has specifically worked to move them on. Sorry, but that’s their job, and why I see them.

Any interpretation on the reading?

 

[Freedda]

I just read that:

'Kinesiology is the scientific study of human body movement. It addresses physiological, bio-mechanical, and psychological dynamic principles and mechanisms of movement. Applications of kinesiology to human health include bio-mechanics and orthopedics; strength and conditioning; sport psychology; methods of rehabilitation, such as physical and occupational therapy; and sport and exercise.'

It says nothing about exercising spirits or entities????

I would suggest that this reading means you could be at an impasse or 'road-block' pursuing this type of treatment, and it might be a 'dead end' for you to continue to look towards an 'entity' as the reason for your illness - you need to take a detour here, try another path.

With 'brightness obscured' - 36, you or some part of yourself may be hiding, perhaps out of fear, or a past hurt or abuse? And perhaps uncovering this may help with your healing - and I can't help but thinking, don't we often get a pain in our gut when we're upset. or stressed out, or worried, or fearful?

As far as healers go, I have used both acupuncturist and a therapist for to good result, but that's just me really.

D.

 

[Melissa_here]

LOL - There are two types of Kinesiologist, and both your rude comments do not reflect any understanding of the other.

Secondly - I have been using TCM for 3 years with little to no changes. I have an excellent therapist who also suggests Kinesiology - the spiritual kind, not the sports kind. LOL

 

[Melissa_here]

I would suggest that this reading means you could be at an impasse or 'road-block' pursuing this type of treatment, and it might be a 'dead end' for you to continue to look towards an 'entity' as the reason for your illness - you need to take a detour here, try another path. You need to take a more mature approach, which, what? could mean to take responsibility for what's ailing you, instead of blaming it on some unknown 'thing'.

How does the reading suggest that?

 

[Freedda]

How does the reading suggest that?

Well, that's a good question!

Hex. 39 shows an image of the mountain passes being blocked, so you can't go forward - as maybe you are planning to do. The suggestion is that you need to find another way around this, so what can you do? Retreat, take a detour, come back home are some of the options. 36 is about fire or light hidden within the earth. There might be lots of reasons why we might want to hide our light - or ourselves.

Putting it all togehter, I get the sense that the way you're moving forward - looking for an entity within as the cause of your illness - might be blocked, e.g., not the way to move forward. So, I suggested that you should look for another way. Also, I got the sense that what is being hidden (36) might be a place of vulnerability or hurt, and exploring that might be part of your healing.

So... to find another way forward (or around), and to explore what is hidden within, and maybe to explore why it's hidden. I suggested acupuncture and therapy as two healing methods that I know work and I had a sense that they might work here.

Stepping back from all that, I've made a stab - from a distance and without knowing you at all - at responding to your inquiry, and maybe a serious medical condition. I can only take my best shot at it. If it's helpful, well good. If not, you don't have to pay it any mind.

PS - I didn't know that there are 'two types of Kinesiologist,' nor that you have already tried acupuncture, or that you have a therapist. But regardless, my not knowing does not equate to rudeness.

I am curious however, if you're therapist suggested the kinesiologist, and they in turn suggested you have an entity inside, is there any specifc advice you were looking for from the Yi? And since you said you're seeing the K-ologist today, it would be interesting to hear how it went.

And as to my 'mature' comment above, I was reading the wrong line, so I've corrected what I wrote above.

D.

 

[Melissa_here]

nor that you have already tried acupuncture,

The entire basis of Traditional Chinese Medicine, is that every physical complaint, as an emotion attached to it. And, that emotion has been placed there to disrupt your system by a malevolent spirit, almost always an ancestor you pissed off. A lot of theory in later years moved away from this teaching, but it was the basis for TCM for thousands of years.

I studied chinese medicine for two years, so I am well acquainted with its teachings. Obviously, not as much as others!

The idea that an entity had attached itself to me, is one that is in line with Chinese Medicine principles.

I had my appointment - and I do not exaggerate when I say this, but it was transformational. I feel renewed.

I decided to ask iChing if this was the healer for me? and iChing's answer was:

4.2:Wing: The person in this position has indeed developed in himself a true appreciation of humanity in all of its folly and beauty. Such a person can lead others with wisdom, compassion, and inspiration, and attain all the success attributed to the great and wise historical leaders.

So, I'd say I was correct in asking this, and following through.

You can read more about entities and its relationship to chinese medicine here:

Possession

Visit the post for more.

clinicalgate.com

 

[Gmulii]

You can read more about entities and its relationship to chinese medicine here:

In my humble opinion this is twisting the idea around... In Han dynasty(where 魂hun and 魄po seems to have started to take the shape we can recognize them in) we had the Classic of Difficulties, people were already started to be aware 鬼gui isn't evil spirit and is something much more complex that often can be simplified as evil spirits.

So the 魂 hun and the 魄po have the character for gui, not because 鬼gui is evil spirits and our livers and lungs are governed by 鬼evil spirits. Even less so because "they saw evil spirits all around", so much that they even saw them as governing their major organs, as it seems the text is trying to make it look.
But because gui, in my humble opinion, is something very different, that has already been looked in great details in present day TCM authors out there.

Anyway, in Yi Jing in every question we ask there is always a line that we view as 鬼gui, That would be the line attacking the element of the Hexagram(so if the Hexagram is Water, it would be the Earth Lines).

Reading a question like that without knowing what line shows 鬼gui just can't happen in my humble opinion.

This is somewhat offtopic, as I'm not doing readings here, just wanted to mention that the 鬼gui concept may not be as simple as that to view.

Similar to how Christianity was exorcising states that are universally accepted as epileptic seizures caused by stress today and we do have to move on from that idea... As we know more about the world I think we should move on from the 鬼gui as evil spirits idea when we practice medicine as well. And yes, many of their respected healers were still using it and many use it even today, yet its up to us what part of the system we choose to use and share and what part we can compare to the world and science we are familiar with and choose not to.

Its tempting to view it like "evil spirits" and just choose to believe they were misguided when they said魂hun and 魄po govern our internal organs carryng that same characters, yet even though everything becomes much simpler, things are rarely that simple in reality/practice.

 

[Freedda]

I had my appointment - and I do not exaggerate ... it was transformational. I feel renewed ....

I decided to ask iChing if this was the healer for me? and iChing's answer was: 4.2:Wing: The person in this position has indeed developed in himself a true appreciation of humanity in all of its folly and beauty. Such a person can lead others with wisdom, compassion, and inspiration, and attain all the success attributed to the great and wise historical leaders.

Well, it's good then that you've found someone to work with, and I hope that leads to some healing for you.

I am curious, where is the above 4.2 text from? Because two versions of 4.2 that I have are:

4.2
Embracing the inexperienced is promising
Involving the women is promising
The young one can manage the household

4.2
Educating ignorance; auspicious.
To take a daughter-in-law is auspicious,
(So that) the heir can marry. ...

... and these feel quite different than what you shared.

Best, D.

 

[Melissa_here]

Hello all. I wanted to update this thread.

I have resolved all of my gut issues. Two decades of trying, and now I know the cause. The parasite is gone and I am living in a state of health (and consequent abundance). I saw that practitioner once more and I have never been happier.