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I believe animals connect on the animal level and communicate with each other. I think they are getting fed up with us and are considering bringing back the dinosaurs to get rid of us. The dinosaur vibration walks the earth now in the form of oil which is mixing with the human vibration as we live off, depend on the oil. Ulimately man will be totally overcome by the dinosaur energy, and repeat the dinosaur's fate, bomb the planet back to stone and thus allow evolution to start again. The intention is to "resolve " "re-solve" the man/animal issue. Which is, "was man created for animals or were animals created for man?" Did the opposable thumb evolve from a group of Break-away Genes saying to the Mother Bear, "Let us oppose you, Mother Bear! We wont go far and when we come back, we will help you!" ? Or was there never any promise to return to help? The animals seem to have thought Man would help them if they let him live. In the story, it seems Mother Bear agrees to evolution, and the genes left her and went to live with Father Bear for a while and when they came back the next bear to be born was not a bear at all but now he was called "A little Boy" because he had a funny finger which we now know was the first "thumb". Well Baby Bear was so proud of his thumb, and his parents were so proud of his thumb, BUT HE NEVER BOTHERED TO LEARN HOW TO USE IT! Finally one day his mother said to him, "Use your thumb and do something with your life!" Now she meant he should use this new limb to develope his brain. But you know what she thought she meant? He thought she meant he should learn to hitch hike and so..." and the story goes on, all the trips Boy Bear goes on, all the people he meets and the things he does but the bottom line is, there is a belief among animals that they came before man and realized they would need help on this planet. They put their minds together and visualized an improved version of themselves, Man, but when this new animal incarnated HE WAS NO HELP TO THE ANIMALS AT ALL! The animals realized their mistake: they could evolve a body, but they could not create a higher conciousness, they could only create at their level of vibration, and so Man was not on a Higher Conciousness, not a being on the level on the compassionate Human level of consciousness, but a man on the level of animal consciousness. So Man was man but not at the human level yet, still vibrating at animal level - and thus doing things that make sence in an animal world - running around like a dog, survival of the fittest, competition to death- but which are not of the hoped for, higher, human world...to be continued
 
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..In fact, the new creature was worse than an animal because with his opposable thumb his animal instincts could now manefest the survival of the fitest killer instinct in away disproportionate to the balance of nature to stop him....so the animals who were hoping that by combining their intentions they might give birth to an opposable thumb which the species could then use to upgrade their condition were horrified to realize they had instead wet nursed a beast that brought their worst, darkest, most primordial, most self perserving fears/instincts to life. So Man as evolved from the animals is almost totally animal (One spark of God in him or he never would have come to life in the first place - only God can create Life/Light). He has a thumb/brain but has not learned how to use it. Animal like he doesn't consider how he might use his thumb for good because NOBODY EVER HAD A THUMB BEFORE MAN. Who could he ask? A bird? A fish? No one knows what a thumb is good for and since no one else has one, little boy goes off experimenting with his thumb - and creates a bunch of things that are only directed by his instincts - his selfish, unevolve, animal instincts and the creations then are bad for the earth and worse for the animals! Hence, the town meeting of animals where they discuss if they should let us kill everything off, and Re Solve the puzzle by starting from over from sticks and stones. The meetings go on every night, and every night comes the same solution, let them distroy themselves, God will recreate us. But every morning when the world should wake up bombed back to the stone age, we discover it's quickly evloved right back up to the present again. God/The Unconcious keeps recreating it just as it was before and in the morning the ether has become rock has become water has become plant has become animal and BONK we're evolved right back up to the place where we decided to quit last time. So obviously, bombing ourselves back to the stone age and evolving something different isn't the answer. We keep doing that and we keep evolving back to HERE.. So..
Time for some new ideas! Maybe some Outside Help?! Perhaps connecting with The Future and asking The Future, "What is the solution?" How to connect?
Prayer and consulting oracles?
For a while this works, but lately oracles and magic don't seem to have as much power as they used to. It used to be one could say, "Rain!" and it would rain but now adays one man says rain and another says unfair, we need the rain over here, "Lawsuit!' So it seems connecting with the Future is just bringing in a world of laws and rules that try to tame and restrict nature, but doesn't really bring in new or higher conciousness. Instead it seems in "The Future" there are just more laws trying to restrict nature, create "fairness", an imperfect manefestation of what man THINKS God might create, but nobody can communicate with God anymore.
Finally after lots of ups and downs it's decided that the next step in creation is for each conciousness to seek God in his own way. In Most of God's creation this is no problem, all rocks trees and animals live in total conciousness of God already. But man has had difficulties because no one before him in all creation was ever separated from God before (ie. to create an opposable thumb, animal level conciousness experienced itself as opposing God ) and so there is no record in all of conciousness as to how to seek Him, as it was never necessary before. Anyway, through all this, dogs agreed to speak to man, even though he isn't living in the relm of higher conciousness. Indeed, to be the animal intermediary between the two species. This demonstration of love from the animal kingdom to the human is a gift to demonstrate to us how to love. This generousity in the part of the dog has raised the dog to the almost human level- Man's best friend. Anyway, bottom line, if man can't listen to all of nature perhaps if he would listen to his best friend the dog, (that is, make friends with his animal nature), his animal nature will lead him to feel love. When we can give up this ego/thumb driven assumption that we are Better than animals and feel the oneness our animal natures inherently feel, that is, love as intensely as an animal loves we will be able to handle the next step up, feeling how intensely God loves us, seeing the Light Within, the spark of light that gave us light. As we seek the light within, we will see the light without, that is we will begin to recognize patterns in nature as Light created them, we align with these patterns by furthering the work of nature. This is the work of human conciousness on the planet. As we perform it our conciousness grows.IMO


Why don't we go back to telling I Ching jokes?
 
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rosada said:
Hex. 9.1.5 - 18


See? This is where they communicate. Animals never err their way, build relationships while in small groups (9) and they always end up smelling each other's butts (18)... :rofl:

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animals cannot look a human in the eye for long. that is what 'the jungle book' is about.

just when i say that, someone here will have looked an animal in the eye for ages, right?

has anyone locked gaze, soul searched, with an animal and not been attacked?

babies do it naturally. i know a girl who gazed into the eyes of a dog, was nearly mauled, and has a fear of dogs.
 

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hollis said:
animals cannot look a human in the eye for long. that is what 'the jungle book' is about.

Although I agree with the assessment about dogs and other animals being "disturbed" and perhaps then being aggressive if they are stared at for long, I will tell you of a little bird in South America called "Caburé" (sorry about the link being in Spanish, couldn't find one in English). A sacred bird for the natives, of the owl family but of daylight habits, that can stare you down. It will sustain your stare until you concede. I know from experience. In some places, because they are considered bringers of good luck, they keep these birds in lottery houses, by the window and you can walk by, stop in your tracks, engage the bird in a stare contest and the Caburé will win... :)

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PS: just to be a contrarian, as you pointed out... :D
 

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editited my story a bit.
..way too much egg nog..
 

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:rofl:

"has anyone locked gaze, soul searched, with an animal and not been attacked?"

My 93 year old grandmother. :rofl:

There is no such thing in her mind as animals just fuzzy humans with extra legs.

As to dogs speaking with each other...this only proves their higher intelligence as humanity appears to be going back tothe primal ooze (well...not here at Clarity :D )

beithe:bows:
 

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sparhawk said:
PS: just to be a contrarian, as you pointed out... :D

This is why i LOVE it here! To be challenged and learn new things! HOW I wish I could read Spanish, what a fantastic link. Always, Sparhawk, you are enriching this site.

Beithe, can you share a little more about your Grandmother? Lucky you, to have a Grandmama like that.
 
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I like eggnog dog stories. Unfortunately, I don’t like eggnog, so it’s nice to read yours, Rosada.

wrruff!
 

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has anyone locked gaze, soul searched, with an animal and not been attacked?

Kind of. With a wild cat once ... but perhaps it would be more accurate to say that she soul-searched me.
And I didn't attack her. :D

She was under my bed and I made a lot of noise, because I wanted her to move elsewhere. She came from under the bed, faced me and we had a debate about the issue.
Locked gaze, yes, both ways. We seemed to understand eachother perfectly.

Finally I gave in, nodded, signaling that she could stay if she liked.
She immediately went off and returned with a young in her mouth. And then another and another. :)


It was a great cat. A few days later I saw her stealing a big fish in a restaurant. The fish was on the plate of a man who was just about to start eating when suddenly the fish was gone ... :rofl:
 

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Hi Hollis :D

My grandmama is 94 this spring and a retired school teacher. Used to speak and read Spanish (it was her choice of learned language) when she was getting her masters degree. She is my mentor and the one who can quote "Alice' with me and recite the entire Rub. of Omar Khayyam (still) along with a host of other poets. She was a painter and dabbled in sculpting at one time. Taught me how to knit and crochet and sew. She was the one who read me the classics beginning with "Alice" before I could talk and walk. Raised three kids by herself on a teachers salary and her daughter, my mother is now 71 So that is the time frame. She is why I love Dickens,Pooh,and Toad of Wind in the Willows,know my birds and flowers as well as I do,and know many old songs that no one sings anymore. Sundays were spent with her piano and she taught me to play a little. She is now on her fourth computer. Doesn't get out much anymore and I and my mom see the failing in this past year. :( But she has been the light of all our lives for all our lives and we don't know what we will do without her.

She is a great lover of animals and people (especially dogs) she has a little Lhasa (sp. has escaped me for the moment) named Suzee. She does still walk 1.5 miles a day in good weather. She used to meditate though I don't think she does anymore.

She calls me Queenie and I call her N. Mouse.(nanny mouse) :D

Thanks for asking I like to tell her when I have bragged about her.

beithe:)
 

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omg I stare into my dog's eyes all the time, I get lost in his big pools of chocolate which just melt with love. my dog is an angel, totally harmless, incapaple of hurting, except once he snapped at another dog who threatened to take his treat.

all other dogs sense the gentleness of my little guy, even a little puppy at our christmas dinner who was afraid of the bigger dog, wanted to jump and tumble with my pooch. and he was so tolerant and kind.
so yes, altho not a good idea to stare into a dogs eyes usually, some dogs are sufi masters and they simply take you in to the kingdom behind their eyes and transform you forever
 
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Wilhelm comments on 42: “To rule truly is to serve.” That is a two way street between pets and their people.
 

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I'm wondering, has anyone had any experiences in using the I Ching to connect with animals? I mean, we usually direct our questions to The Spirit of the I Ching, but I'm wondering if we'd get meaningful answers if we were to ask, "Mojo, what's it like keeping an eye on Bruce?"
 

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rosada said:
"Mojo, what's it like keeping an eye on Bruce?"

Believe me, you don't want to know that... Mojo was on the phone with my Iporá the other day and...well, I'll be discreet... Now, she swears she only has kind words for me but I don't believe much of it, after all, she's a "bitch." :rofl:

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Rosada, interesting question. Dogs are especially attuned to their person’s emotions, which they mirror back to us. Emotions are what drives many of the questions we ask, and so looking at Mojo I can see what my emotions look like. It’s surprising sometimes, because I didn’t see it in myself until I saw it in him.

Luis, it seems your secrets are safe with Iporá. Mojo said they only talked about squirrels and stuff.
 

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:rofl: This is all too wonderful. Martin, you are too scrumptious with that wild cat! Clearly, you made the right decison. Was she in a foreign country to your native one? Just curious.

Well I came to this thread with a bicycle helmut on my head, expecting full full fire from all the animal soul gazers, well planned protection. I mean, if you are going to go spouting off about feral animals on an I Ching site, be prepared for the (pepper) spray!

LOVE hearing about your N. Mouse, Beithe, so nice to know you better as well. So nice to know SOMEONE out there does not come from a disfunctional family. My own Grandmothers fed me nails.

Listener, I will never steal your dog's treat! I did put my own statement to the test with a smallish Rotweiler mix the other day. She started gazing into my eyes, and I met her gaze, for less than 3 seconds, and comPLEETEly freaked out that she would attack, so failed the experiment. Her human mother says she gazes with S.Duke all the time, and that S.Duke would never hurt anyone.

but really, Listener, dont the eyes wander, a bit, upon gazing? Gaze, waver, gaze, waver, gaze waver? I know, it's useless for me to try, but I must.

I think what I am really talking about here, is TRUST! Guess who has trust issues. Hmmmm.

AYEEEEEE!!!!!

But this conversation between Mojo and Ipora, Does Mojo know what a squirrel is? Doesnt he only chase iguanas? Or something?
 

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hollis said:
But this conversation between Mojo and Ipora, Does Mojo know what a squirrel is? Doesnt he only chase iguanas? Or something?

Of course there are squirrels in Arizona and Mojo knows what they are!! With Iporá they just compare notes and came up with the conclusion that Southern squirrels are WAY nicer than the stuck-up, Mid-Atlantic kind... The Southern ones are happy to be chased around while the East Coast ones will turn around and smack them in the snout with a "let me work, I'm hoarding nuts for winter!!". :D

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hollis said:
But this conversation between Mojo and Ipora, Does Mojo know what a squirrel is? Doesnt he only chase iguanas? Or something?

There's two ground squirrels living in Mojo's yard, beneath the propane tank. He watches them and lets them be, until I walk outside. Then he becomes super-dog, dashing across the yard after them. He is half golden retriever, has the hunting instinct thing goin' on. He does the same with rabbits, lets them in the yard with nary a perked ear, until I show up. Must be a guy macho thing.

Luis, you describe the squirrel differences perfectly!
 

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Okay, I used the I Ching to ask Mojo, "What's it like keeping an eye on Bruce?" I received 49.3.4.5 - 24.
I take this to mean that at first there was some misunderstanding about who was the lead dog but..
49.3 Mojo explained the situation very carefully and finally Bruce caught on so..
49.4 The form of government was changed and now they understand each other well enough that..
49.5 They can communicate without even using the I Ching.
Oh yeah, and now Mojo doesn't have to keep such a close eye on Bruce, just lets him..
24. Go out and come in without error.

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I actually asked this question yesterday, but took down my post thinking maybe it wasn't polite to use the I Ching in this fasion. Reading Bruce's comment that Mojo lets all his animal friends go and and come in made me think, "Mojo says it's okay.'" Hope so!
 
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rosada said:
Okay, I used the I Ching to ask Mojo, "What's it like keeping an eye on Bruce?" I received 49.3.4.5 - 24.
I take this to mean that at first there was some misunderstanding about who was the lead dog but..
49.3 Mojo explained the situation very carefully and finally Bruce caught on so..
49.4 The form of government was changed and now they understand each other well enough that..
49.5 They can communicate without even using the I Ching.
Oh yeah, and now Mojo doesn't have to keep such a close eye on Bruce, just lets him..
24. Go out and come in without error.

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I actually asked this question yesterday, but took down my post thinking maybe it wasn't polite to use the I Ching in this fasion. Reading Bruce's comment that Mojo lets all his animal friends go and and come in made me think, "Mojo says it's okay.'" Hope so!

lol.. great interpretation!
 

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I asked Ipora how she felt about Sparhawk and got,
53.6. "His feathers can be used for the Sacred Dance."

Oh my goodness, she is a charmer!
Seriously, Luis, does that make any sence? Like does she have an old shoe or t-shirt of yours she likes to chew?
 
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rosada said:
Oh my goodness, she is a charmer!
Seriously, Luis, does that make any sence? Like does she have an old shoe or t-shirt of yours she likes to chew?

To tell you the truth, the dog adores me. She doesn't chew on anything of mine but she sleeps by the side of my bed every night and I dare anyone to try to get her out of there. She sees thru my eyes. I think that humans developed the concept of "friendship" the moment they started domesticating dogs, many millennia ago.

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wow, 53.6 for a dog's admiration is pretty beautiful.

I was almost afraid, but I asked my dog what he thnks of me via Yi and got 37.3.4.6
It is so perfect. my temper does flare up pretty regularly with a defiant teen, but now I know my dog is on my side.
and line four, of course "SHE (me) is the treasure of the house." AHHHHHHH, woman's best friend.
 
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and lest I forget, the resulting 17...(ahem).. :

"I will follow her
Wherever she may go
There isnt an ocean too deep
a Mountain so high,
It can keep, keep me away.......
Away from my love"

what a guy
 

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Aha! We always knew dogs can sing but now we know the words!
 

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