Do Yi's answers have to do with mediumship and need protection from mocking spirits?

[mary f]

Somebody asked it to me today. My first reply was a round NO, but then I kept thinking.
In the same way that some psychophonic or psychographic mediums sometimes encounter answers that do not come from the most evolved spheres, can the answers given by Yi (or as Hanna Moog says, the Sage) be intercepted and tampered with by entities outside the process?

What's your opinion?

Thanks.

 

[dfreed]

can the answers given by Yi (or ... the Sage) be intercepted and tampered with by entities outside the process?

POSTED REVISED 4/3 -

But of course! I call those entities humans, and they quite often intercept and tamper with stuff, including the Yi's responses. And they do this by misinterpreting the response - to have it say what they want it to say - or they simply ignore what the Yi's response is.

I'd stay that there is definitely an 'entity' at work here - but we don't have to look any further then the person asking the question to know who (and what) it is!

If on the other hand, you mean invisible forces or entities whom might mess with which side of the coins come up, or mess with the yarrow stalks - or 'infect' an online hexagram generator .... I don't think that's how oracles work. But this does provide a very good, ready-made excuse for what we can do if we either do not understanding a response, or if we get a response we don't like!

But that's more like a 'dog ate my homework' kind of excuse than something that's real. And again, the 'forces' here are not external to us.


Best, D

 

[moss elk]

Mocking entities...

What's your opinion?

Well, Yi has many ways to mock us when we are doing ridiculous things.

So, if you get called "a crowing cock who's cry reaches heaven"
don't jump to attribute that to an evil entity.

I've mentioned before that some people,
example: extreme narcissists, can't handle negative feedback very well, and would not be able to 'get' Yi.

As far as spirits, maybe our resident medium will comment.
(don't know if she calls herself that)

 

[dfreed]

As far as spirits, maybe our resident medium will comment.

Whom is that?

 

[moss elk]

Whom is that?

It's up to her to disclose,
and participate.

 

[Gmulii]

In my humble view, its natures principles. What we call Heaven is the principles that nature and the Earth around operates with. Same principles we use as calendars, only this is going much beyond only the season but the essence is the same only somewhere along the way someone realized that it goes deeper to every event as well.

So do you need protection... You don't need protection from outside factors, same as we don't need protection when we watch weather forecast... It does use principles that we may not fully understand, it may or may not be accurate, but its unlikely to be harmful to us, unless we relate to the potential weather in very unusual way(for example getting depressed if you find it will rain, even then the protection would be against our own self)...

Well, there is another factor, how we think and view the situation we ask about and our state ... Practitioners in China often cast prayers before divination, to get in a state they would read it more easily after... Some go through other processes they find important(washing etc).

Basically, you figure out what you need to get more beneficial outcome and you do it, sure. More related to the state we ask in then to influence from a third source.

 

[mary f]

If on the other hand, you mean invisible forces or entities whom might mess with which side of the coins come up, or mess with the yarrow stalks - or 'infect' an online hexagram generator .... I don't think that's how oracles work. But this does provide a very good, ready-made excuse for what we can do if we either do not understanding a response, or if we get a response we don't like!

Yes, that's what I mean.
I don't think that's how the oracle works either, but the person said she believes there could be an interference in the hexagram formation by these hidden spirits. :O

 

[mary f]

It's up to her to disclose,
and participate.

I hope she can drop some comment.

 

[mary f]

In my humble view, its natures principles. What we call Heaven is the principles that nature and the Earth around operates with. Same principles we use as calendars, only this is going much beyond only the season but the essence is the same only somewhere along the way someone realized that it goes deeper to every event as well.

So do you need protection... You don't need protection from outside factors, same as we don't need protection when we watch weather forecast... It does use principles that we may not fully understand, it may or may not be accurate, but its unlikely to be harmful to us, unless we relate to the potential weather in very unusual way(for example getting depressed if you find it will rain, even then the protection would be against our own self)...

Well, there is another factor, how we think and view the situation we ask about and our state ... Practitioners in China often cast prayers before divination, to get in a state they would read it more easily after... Some go through other processes they find important(washing etc).

Basically, you figure out what you need to get more beneficial outcome and you do it, sure. More related to the state we ask in then to influence from a third source.

Hanna Moog once once suggested to me to always meditate for about 5 minutes before asking the oracle to clear all energetic interference in the astral field, to ward off all fear and to leave the path wide open.

This is something I always do. I just fail to believe that the oracle could indicate wrong lines to form wrong hexagrams.

I prefer to believe that the formation of the hexagram is sacred and shielded against any intrusive energy, but would appreciate to hear other opinions on how this shield works. I doubt that mocking spirits know how to form a hexagram.

 

[dfreed]

but the person said she believes

Whom is this person of whom you speak? People believe all sorts of things about the Yijing. It makes me wonder if she got a reading that she didn't like - or was a bit too truthful, or that she didn't want to pay attention to - so she said that some entities had interfered with it?

I once had a housemate who had a son with an imaginary friend - which is a good thing I think. But if there was ever a broken cup in the kitchen or this kid's room didn't get cleaned up, he's say that it was his imaginary friend who did it!

As long as your head isn't spinning completely around and you're not vomiting up purple goo, than I wouldn't worry too much about entities messing with your I Ching readings!

 

[dfreed]

Hanna Moog once once suggested to me to always meditate for about 5 minutes before asking the oracle

For a different take on this, check out this YouTube video: How (not) to consult the Yijing - especially no. 2. (Also, you may have to 'rewind' the video back to the beginning if it starts mid-way, which it seems to do for me).

Best, D