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Need help friends!
I'm working in a bit difficult work conditions, had asked here about the work place earlier.

I'm put on a good project, which many would kill to be a part of. The challenge for me being a single mom is staying back late and then also working from home later in night.
My daughter is unwell today and the project starts tomorrow.
A friend has offered help, so my daughter can stay with her after school until I reach home.

I have been thinking of taking up this as a challenge, also thinking it cannot be as difficult as it seems.

I asked What do I need to know about the project/situation, and got 29.1

Is it one of the lines that seems bad but works well in your favor?

I do have an option of stepping back, I don't understand if I should chicken out..

Here are two more questions I asked to get clarity, and the answers:

What if I take it up as a challenge and go ahead ? 34.3 to 54

What if I step back? 22.1.4 > 56

I can see the answer clearly that I should actually step back but I'm kind of insecure. Its a new job, and I really need it to pay bills with a dependent daughter along.. I can't take any risks.. Please help me see the truth and the right path.

Many thanks!
 

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What you should know:
29.1 It would be very easy to get sucked into this project. I suppose this means giving more and more of your time and energy than you originally intended.
If you take up the challenge:
34.3 If the challenge is too much you really mustn't think you must do it, hell-or-high-water. 54. Just do the job you were hired for and don't try to be a super star.
If you step back:
22.1 Perhaps this is a fancy assignment but you'll be able to proceed with your career even if you don't take it.
22.4 Something will come along that is a good fit.
56. You are being cautious about not getting entangled in something that could be difficult to get out of.

So all in all I agree with you that the oracle seems to be telling you to let this opportunity go by. However, I do find that sometimes the I Ching is mirroring back to us our concerns but not necessarily telling us what we should do. Thus, when you read these lines you might consider if the job is truly this demanding or could you follow the advice of 29.1 and by being aware avoid getting too caught up in it? If by it's very nature it's going to require you to put in lots of overtime then I say step back.
 

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Thank you Rosada.
It was a clear answer but I really needed to know if I read it right.
I checked your reply and told the authorities that I want to be out of the project.
Would update here later how things turn out.
Thanks again ��
 

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Thank you for volunteering for this True Life Experience!:)
Thanks to you, however it turns out we'll learn more about what 22.1.4 - 56 means!
 

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Every line has a positive side, and you don't understand any line until you see that.
 

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Every line has a positive side, and you don't understand any line until you see that.

29.1
'Twice the exposure
Going into the canyon's inner recesses
Foreboding'
(Bradford's translation)

'Repeated chasm.
Entering into the pit within the chasm.
Pitfall.'
(Hilary's translation)

29.1 It would be very easy to get sucked into this project. I suppose this means giving more and more of your time and energy than you originally intended.
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Thus, when you read these lines you might consider if the job is truly this demanding or could you follow the advice of 29.1 and by being aware avoid getting too caught up in it? If by it's very nature it's going to require you to put in lots of overtime then I say step back.

As another addition to that - someone wrote in WikiWing about 29.1, "When you're in a hole, stop digging," which might be advice on making the best of a bad situation.

Whether 29.1 is ever positive might depend on "verb tense," or where you are already when you get the line.

If you see you've just entered a chasm (line position 1, at the beginning?) and you're wondering what to do now, the positive advice might be not to go in any deeper. Not making things worse than they are already could be a positive side (relatively speaking).

However if you've already gone further in, and Yi's simply acknowledging that, then there might not be anything positive (unless you could still go in even farther - so don't do that).

Bradford also includes in his translation what's called the "Little Image":
"Twice the exposure going into the canyon
To lose the way (is) foreboding"


That seems to bring in the idea of getting lost (literally or metaphorically). Think about being lost. If you're lost, and you keep going, you could end up even farther from the last recognizable landmark, and it will get progressively harder to find your way back out.

This also brings to mind the advice my mother gave my siblings and I: "If, heaven forbid, we get separated (in a department store, for example) - stay where you are. Don't walk around looking for me; I'll find you." Part of that was it's harder to find a moving target, but part of it was also that if we stayed put, my mother could retrace her steps - she knew where we'd been. But if we moved around (deeper into chasms), we'd end up in unknown places and retracing steps wouldn't work.
 
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About the other readings - another vote for what Rosada said :). I can understand your worry that turning this project down will hurt your career, but it doesn't sound to me, either, as if that will happen.

You might want to keep in touch with Yi about proceeding at work - in his translation and commentary about 34.3, Bradford talks about using "wits" and "antennae, for sensing the new opportunities." So maybe at some point you'll have to recognize when the right project does swim into your net, so you can make use of that one. Yi can probably be a pretty good antenna...
 

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Thanks Lisa, Bradford and Rosada.
After I turned it down, I still had to work on it for a day and a half. And I saw the project getting murkier - client changing brief many times we coming across some fake candidates in interviews (part of the research project)
So as work got difficult so did things at my end.. my daughter still wasn't well and I couldn't even keep her with my friends and they had some health issues. I had to take her to work; she is 7 and yet it wasn't easy.
So as Lisa pointed out, it was advantageous that I escaped the chasm at the very beginning, it woul've gotten worse.
Rosada, I'm looking forward to see how 22 and the changing lines turn out to be :) Will surely update here.
 

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Follow up- the situation got murkier. After I left the project, the project lead got insecure and complained about my performance. The authorities didn't believe initially since my previous project record is excellent. Now the boss wants to have a discussion with me tomorrow, and the project lead is trying really hard to find faults in whatever little work I did.
We're the positive lines of 22 about this? That the happiness (the relief after leaving project) will be short lived?
 

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...I don't know. This business with the project lead and the discussion with the boss... :(

It may be that the readings you've already done have addressed this development (the "wits" and "antennae" stuff, maybe?). Or not - I don't know. But since it is a new development, if it was me I'd probably cast another reading for advice. Something along the lines of "Yi, guidance for tomorrow's meeting?"
 

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For what it's worth I thought I'd share with you a similar experience I went through in case it helps you navigate. I had a boss who was crazy and who frequently attacked me with long tirades in front of co-workers. My first impulse was to defend myself but I thought it would be inappropriate to interrupt and then as I waited for her to pause so I could respond I realized that these performances were all for show. Sure enough, she would continue to blast me for a bit but then change the subject and move on. I was never given a chance to explain my actions but I realized that was significant. If I'd been given a chance to speak she would have been revealed as having been in the wrong. By not letting me speak she got to place blame and never had to actually solve the problem. These outbursts were fairly frequent but there were never any repercussions for me because if there had been then naturally I would have had to speak up. So my advice for you is that when you meet with the boss don't be quick to start talking. Sit attentively like you're really trying to understand what the project lead's complaint is. Don't say anything until you are asked a direct question. By having to face you and actually articulate what they're accusing you of they may find they start to stumble over their words and can't come up with anything real.

If you are asked to respond start by saying something like, "Well from my point of view this is what happened..." That is, don't come across like you are there to defend yourself or make the project leader wrong (and thus create resistance and solidifying the need to make somebody wrong), rather act confidently as if coming from a place knowing you are all on the same team trying to figure out what happened.
Maybe this is 22 is saying that by not getting caught up in this charade you'll be able to 56 Move on.
 

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I was in fact so jittery, I did many readings to understand the situation and got confused. Will do one with clear head.
Thanks Lisa!
 

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I was in fact so jittery, I did many readings to understand the situation and got confused. Will do one with clear head.
Thanks Lisa!
 

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So I asked: How would the discussion with A go?
Received 58.1.3.4>48
Looks like if I handle the situation well, there would be opening.
I went through LiSe script, and I gather that the changing lines kind of give a similar message- I must have clarity and openness within. I think I will meditate as much as I can before the discussion.
Can any of you throw more light on the changing lines or let me know if I missed/misunderstood anything in the reading?
 

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That's an amazing advice Rosada. I will stay calm and use my words carefully. The project lead has been trying to create proof; a saving grace is another project lead, quite senior to this one, had some good things to say to my boss since we worked on a project together. So the boss has not totally believed the complaint, though wants to hear my side now.
 

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Received 58.1.3.4>48

58.1
'Responsive opening: good fortune.' (line texts are from Hilary's book)

58.3
'Coming opening, pitfall.'

58.4
'Negotiating opening, not yet at rest. Containing the affliction brings rejoicing.'

Well, I'm not very sure about the lines. 58.1 sounds a lot like what Rosada said - listen more than you talk, answer questions honestly and straightforwardly, be responsive and cooperative, not defensive. I mean, it seems clear that you're going into it wanting to be cooperative and so forth, but maybe a point is to remain that way throughout? It might be easy to enter a discussion in a good spirit, but become defensive as it progresses? Try not to let that happen?

58.3 - Hilary says in her commentary, "'Coming opening’ means looking expectantly for what you want to come to you, easily and on your own terms." The experiences I can remember with it are pretty much exactly that, when I think I ought to get my own way and then get angry when I don't, sometimes in ridiculous circumstances. For example just yesterday I got this line after becoming furious with an uncooperative automated phone tree. It was one of those where it wants you to talk to it instead of pushing 1 for this and 2 for that, but when you do talk to it it complains it didn't understand you...I mean, I think I had good reason to be exasperated, but I think Yi's point was I also had to accept it, and getting as angry as I did :eek: would change nothing.

However I have no idea how that might apply to you in this situation - it's a different sort of thing.

LiSe translates it as " Expectant interaction, pitfall," and talks about it more from the angle that if you're only happy when there are external reasons to be happy, you're not actually happy (I'm trying to explain it to myself/us in my own words - not sure I'm doing a good job - of course read what she says directly and see what you think - and again I don't know how it might apply).

Maybe a common thread is don't let yourself be rattled? Maintain equanimity, for your own sake? (Bear in mind I'm speculating and am not at all sure!) I myself would have had a much better morning yesterday if I hadn't gotten so angry at the company's stupid telephone system - my emotional reaction hurt only me, not it (obviously).

I can't remember any clear experiences with 58.4 offhand.
 

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I think 58.3 is pointing out that it could be easy for you to become distracted or defensive and the importance of you being very clear - 58.1 - about your position from the get go and not jumping into the project leader's version of events. Ask for clarification if need be. If there is an accusation don't immediately respond. Like if she makes some general statement like, "Lilo didn't do as I asked." don't act as if you know what she's talking about. Instead say, "Wait a sec, I'm not sure I understand you. What are you saying you asked?" It will then turn out to be something very minor or if not you can then say, "Oooh, so that's what you meant. I'm sorry, I thought..." and then you can explain. But the point is, by requiring her to explicitly describe her complaint you are making it clear that you didn't do anything inappropriate intentionally - you didn't even know there was a problem! - and obviously any problems that did occur happened because she had not made herself clear.
I think 58.4 is cautioning you to know going in what exactly you need the outcome to be so you can negotiate a peace so everyone can get passed this - contain the affliction so it doesn't spread.
 

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Thank you so much Rasada, Lisa,
Both your interpretations and advice do fit in correctly. I'm very much likely get both defensive and impulsive. I'll keep these suggestions in mind while tackling this and any such situation... am not really good at playing it politically correct.

The meeting is postponed since my boss is travelling. Will let you know how it goes.
 

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