Does Yi answer predictive questions, or just the present?

[gnichi]

Dear all,
Im sure you all have discussed this topic many times. Im just interested in hearing your each individual opinions. Personally Im torned. Sometimes I think, yes, Yi can answer what will happen. And sometimes I feel like Yi is only reflecting my inner emotional state. I will give you an example. I just cast a reading, asking: Is there still love between us? Yis answer: 58.4>60 Legge: The fourth line, dynamic, shows its subject deliberating about what to seek his pleasure in, and not at rest. He borders on what would be injurious but there will be cause for joy. Does this line discribe me in the present? Yes, I would say so. Does it describe him? I dont know. And what about the valuation: there will be cause for joy. Is that predictive? Of course I hope so.
Best wishes

 

[Vissino]

58.5 You are contemplating a relationship with an inferior element. Such a commitment is dangerous, for you will be drawn into peril. You must now be more selective in order to protect yourself.
60 Put limits.

I think I ching wants to show you that you must protect yourself from this guy.

My opinion is that I ching answers about what is going to happen. Sometimes I believe it shows us past and present. Also, it answers what it wants to answer no matter our question. I think it can be tricky.

 

[gnichi]

Hi Vissino,
Thank you for your reply and input.
Your interpretation of the reading was about the wrong line though. I got Line 58.4.
Best wishes

 

[svenrus]

"Dear all,
Im sure you all have discussed this topic many times. Im just interested in hearing your each individual opinions."
My individual opinion is that the predictive lies implicit in the answer ie the advice given by The I is based on what will happen. I don't think it's necessary to know what will happen if trusting The I. Just like asking an inhabitant for direction: he will show You the direction and he wouldn't necessary tell You what would happen if You ignored his advice....

 

[gnichi]

Hi Svenrus,
Thank you for your reply and input. Thank you also for the Huang translation, that I got from a link you posted a while ago.
Best wishes

 

[Trojina]

For me 58.4 has come up when I'm fretting over missing opportunities, wondering which is the best way to pleasure. Example; there was a big party on. For a reason I won't go into I was too shy to go so I went home. When I got home I kept thinking 'oh dear I wish I had gone, maybe I missed a lot by not going'. I was going to go to yoga instead. Then I thought as it was such a nice evening 'yes but why go to yoga when this lovely party is on' and I got into that neurotic state where you can't decide the best thing to do. I consulted and got 58.4. Hilary's translation says

'Negotiating opening, not yet at rest.
Containing the affliction brings rejoicing'

I also got this line when considering whether to do a course or not. I think this line shows someone weighing things up to the point of pain so that when they finally make a choice, they put an end to their 'affliction' of indecision and this brings peace of mind.

In relation to your question then I think you will find peace when you make a clear choice. It isn't answering your question directly, it isn't saying whether there is or isn't love, all it's showing is someone causing themselves exhaustion and stress through weighing up pleasures. Just choose what to do and you will feel better.

Asking about what others are feeling does not bring clear answers so it is better to word your question around what you feel, what you do and so on. There may be some suggestions here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...42-Blog-post-Advice-for-relationship-readings

 

[Trojina]

....oh and in answer to this

. Sometimes I think, yes, Yi can answer what will happen. And sometimes I feel like Yi is only reflecting my inner emotional state.

I think it can do both. One thing I see it doing most often is giving a person the question back to make their own mind up. I kind of think that's what is happening here in your question.

If the 58.4 applies to the other person then it might be saying the same thing, that they are trying to choose between options. This line can be a little shallow as with my party example. It's like trying to choose where you will have most fun. Yi says don't get stressed over trying to choose where to have most fun. You will feel much better when you settle down and choose and limit your quest for pleasure.

One example I saw recently. My little niece had some money to buy a book so we went to a big book store. I thought this would be fun for her to choose a book but she got very stressed about which book to buy. This is very much like 58.4. She even got a little upset, over whelmed by the choice. When she had chosen she was much happier. That is my sense of 58.4.

 

[bradford]

I think it presents and predicates the predicaments of presence.
Fate is for thumb twiddlers. What's the point of reading if we can't alter our course?
But in order to take that point of view you really need to see the text as a
depiction of one of your choices, and usually infer the other.

 

[gnichi]

Hi Bradford and Trojina,
Thank you for your replies and input. And thank you Trojina for sharing your experience with line 58.4. I think you are right, that it is reflecting my current state of mind.
Best wishes

 

[Liselle]

Does Yi answer predictive questions, or just the present?

This might be different from what you meant, but I think every time we do a "reading for the day" (or week, or whatever time period), and Yi gives us helpful advice about something that ends up happening, Yi has foretold the future.