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Why are there doppelgangers?
Hex 14.4.5>9

Because they come from the same soul.
 

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Maybe they don't exist. That's not from the answer it's just I never saw any evidence for it. it just means people who look exactly the same right ?


And afterall identical twins look just the same but they can be very different people. I might look like people in my family but it doesn't mean I am them.
 

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Yeah, the idea of dopplegangers comes from the german horror from memory, Dostoyevsky's the double being the one I remember, its a fear, a basic human fear, that meeting a version of you doing better at life is signal you are about to die. On par with the old hag who sits on your chest.

One sort of recent version was in Buffy, where Xander was split in two by a demon (was meant to get Buffy), into a weak version and a strong version, so the demon could kill the weak and so the strong would die as well and therefore the whole being dies. Of course upon meeting each other the two Xanders started liking each other and then started blending and behaving the same, posing the idea that reintegration or 'coherence' was the inevitable process.

Souls from the the same soul group or twin souls, or individuals sharing a similar or same soul heritage is from a different and well discussed and written about line of thought.

So just a brief distillation from your yijing reading without looking much into the lines I would read as tending to the small creates great assets, that the seemingly less successful, weak, fearful and lessed loved parts of ourselves when loved like one loves a plant by watering it everyday, is the work that creates the bigger more successful part of ourselves. That these are connected to each other and the ability to see either one as separate to ourselves is a portent for the misconception of separation -- to die. Through that death, we can become whole and great.

And then I think the lines of 14 changing support a kind of advice for humility for the part of us that is great.

Certainly very interesting in terms of the big movement to be non-binary, which ends up in a strange effect of falling into multiple personalities or finding coherence through semantic and social defiance.
 

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The title "Der Doppelgänger" is Schubert's; in Heine's Buch der Lieder [de] (1827) the poem is untitled, making the ending a surprise. Heine used the spelling "Doppeltgänger".[1]

Interesting... the term seems to have first appeared in the 20s of the 19th century -
in a poem by Heinrich Heine, Schubert set it to music.
One can learn a lot about that term when reading Heine's poem -
and when listening to Schubert's deeply disturbing Lied:
German, then English:

Still ist die Nacht, es ruhen die Gassen,
In diesem Hause wohnte mein Schatz;
Sie hat schon längst die Stadt verlassen,
Doch steht noch das Haus auf demselben Platz.

Da steht auch ein Mensch und starrt in die Höhe,
Und ringt die Hände, vor Schmerzensgewalt;
Mir graust es, wenn ich sein Antlitz sehe, -
Der Mond zeigt mir meine eigne Gestalt.

Du Doppelgänger! du bleicher Geselle!
Was äffst du nach mein Liebesleid,
Das mich gequält auf dieser Stelle,
So manche Nacht, in alter Zeit?

The night is quiet, the streets are calm,
In this house my beloved once lived:
She has long since left the town,
But the house still stands, here in the same place.

A man stands there also and looks to the sky,
And wrings his hands, overwhelmed by pain:
I am terrified – when I see his face,
The moon shows me my own form!

O you Doppelgänger! you pale comrade!
Why do you ape the pain of my love
Which tormented me upon this spot
So many a night, so long ago?
 

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