dreaming about someone

[psychonaut613]

A friend and I spent a night together where we cuddled and made out a little. I could've moved things forward sexually but really just want to take it slow this time around, meaning relationship-wise. We ended up spending the next day together and I kissed her and touched her from time to time and she would give a light-hearted laugh when I kiss her, showing she clearly liked it and telling me so and one time I kissed her said she "might have to take advantage" of me.

Then, she suddenly started telling me to stop it and that she wants to learn to be alone and good w herself alone and that she can't commit to someone right now, so doesn't want things to go further and all... I actually want this for her, because she has a history of being w douchebag guys(she is trying to break this pattern)

We still hang out from time to time, but I feel disappointed bc I can't even cuddle her. I'm not in a rush, but I love cuddling and we still do sometimes, but its always when she wants to and not very often... For the record, I don't pressure her, if she wants to gravitate toward me, I let her, but otherwise I just chill back and do my own thing..

So, lately I had two dreams, one in which she was getting friendly and touchy w me and another where she started kissing me and said, "its in the past"(I believe referring to her being completely over the sh*tty guys in her past, which she isn't right now..)

It feels like my dreams are just teasing me right now...

I asked what these dreams mean 24.3>36

 

[Tim K]

24.3, Crowley: Return, return; and go no more astray!

Richmond:
In this situation of finishing off a cycle of activity it is necessary to completely finish or there are remainders, karma is made which will still need expression; these retained forms are habit.

The cycles come and go and if we are slaves to our habits we repeat ourselves; this is the danger. No blame because in habit we cannot see ourselves.


I believe that her phrase 'Its in the past' is the key to your dream.
Let her go, stop returning (.3) to this fantasy.
Hide your light (36) and move on.

 

[taoscopy]

I asked what these dreams mean 24.3>3

24 - To return

One returns to see the results of their action.

3 - One cannot succeed in one go, so they continue.
In the making
36 - Adversity

One isolates themself to correct the situation.

The solution to 24.3 is the matching line 36.3: discovering what the problem is. You can make the situation evolve by telling her about your dreams.

 

[sooo]

Venus retrograde, full moon rising. I think it's the time for the return of old flames, but only reflections of the past. When one asks, what is the meaning of such a thing, it depends how deep one wants to dive.

 

[psychonaut613]

wait, sooo are you saying the Yi is telling me I should return to my own tao and look within("Dive deep") for the answer?

 

[sooo]

wait, sooo are you saying the Yi is telling me I should return to my own tao and look within("Dive deep") for the answer?

Well, I think that's always good advice, but especially so where dreams are central to understanding yourself and the time. There may be real person involved, but when that real person, or a likeness, is shown in a dream, your mind may grab and use the image of that person to convey to you a part of your inner nature. That doesn't make the realness of that person any less real, nor the message exclusively about your inner self. It can be both. This woman repeatedly returns to her old ways, according to my understanding of your first post. So if you rejoin with her, wouldn't you be doing likewise? I think this comment is good self advice:

if she wants to gravitate toward me, I let her, but otherwise I just chill back and do my own thing.

That also is returning to yourself, while protecting your own light.

So there's more than one way to apply this reading and your dream, if you dive deep. When the outer and inner are in sync, it's rarely found just floating on the surface: your Top Of Mind Awareness (TOMA). The objective is to dive into your depth and bring that understanding to the surface - your conscious mind. Jung said, in the end it is your conscious mind that must assume control and responsibility (paraphrase).

edit: I'll take responsibility for that last sentence since I've not been successful yet at locating it from Jung's quotes.

 

[sooo]

However, I have found this from Jung, which expresses much the same idea, within a different context than yours.

Every archetype is capable of endless development and differentiation. It is therefore possible for it to be more developed or less. In an outward form of religion where all the emphasis is on the outward figure (hence where we are dealing with a more or less complete projection) the archetype is identical with externalized ideas but remains unconscious as a psychic factor. When an unconscious content is replaced by a projected image to that extent, it is cut off from all participation in an influence on the conscious mind. Hence it largely forfeits its own life, because prevented from exerting the formative influence on consciousness natural to it; what is more, it remains in its original form — unchanged, for nothing changes in the unconscious.

 

[psychonaut613]

I looked up some dream symbolism. A kiss can be indicative of desire for a person...

So the context of the dream could simply mean my desire for her to get over her past and be intimate with me..

 

[sooo]

I looked up some dream symbolism. A kiss can be indicative of desire for a person...

So the context of the dream could simply mean my desire for her to get over her past and be intimate with me..

I don't mean to sound critical, Psychonaut, but I've never read a dream interpretation book or reference source that dove deeper than wetting ones toes to test the waters. I think your first comment (#5) was closer to what I've tried to say. But to make use of the dream other than to simply project that dream image back to the literal female figure in your conscious world is exactly what Jung's quote was about. Let me apply your context to that quote, and see if that makes it clearer.

In an outward form of sexual attraction where all the emphasis is on the outward figure, the dream figure is identical with externalized ideas but remains unconscious as a psychic factor. When this female symbol is replaced by this literal female to that extent, it is cut off from all participation in an influence on the conscious mind.

This may require some thought and some time for you to understand what's being said here. Few folks ever give a single moment of thought to it during their entire lifetime, or just call it rubbish. That's up to you to decide for yourself. Just consider her symbolic significance in the dream rather than simply her external conscious significance, or your complete projection of that aspect of yourself onto your conscious experience of her.

She is you. What do you make of that? How far down the rabbit hole do you wish to go, Alice?

 

[psychonaut613]

Aren't we all mirrors of and for each other?

 

[Tim K]

Here is an interesting film about dream interpretation based on Jung theory:
youtube link

In that part(2 of 4) they discuss male dreams, the influence of his mother, his inner woman, anima etc.
Including reflections, projections.

 

[sooo]

Aren't we all mirrors of and for each other?

I don't know if I'd go that far, but maybe on the grandest scale. However, I don't know how useful that is in understanding a particular dream.

 

[sooo]

Here is an interesting film about dream interpretation based on Jung theory:
youtube link

In that part(2 of 4) they discuss male dreams, the influence of his mother, his inner woman, anima etc.
Including reflections, projections.

Thank you, Ashteroid for that fun refresher course. It helped me to understand a recent dream of my own, in fact two dreams; one involving my shadow, another my anima, which had two parts, one my psyche, and the other an actual woman, who was similar to the symbolic one but more realistic or down to earth. The very same idea I tried to convey earlier in this thread.

Jungian thought seems to have lost favor in more recent times, which I think is a shame, as it provides answers to so many questions that swim along the surface so frequently here.

 

[Tim K]

This thread was started just after I've watched this film, that's why I decided to pitch in.
And later when I saw your discussion I wanted to post this link, but somehow the timing wasn't right.

I'm glad that you've found it useful, sooo