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Not what I meant. I was suggesting something much simpler, more like doing a meditation. Such as: imagine yourself full or Qian's creative spirit. What is involved in moving from that to Kun's receptive state or no-mind? From full of yourself to full of the Other? For me that would be spending my Qian as though it were finite (or at least today's supply) and then go roll in the grass and giggle.
So in the change I would be somewhere between those two, moved to becoming less full of myself, looking forward to some giggling.
...so maybe 25.2.6>58 can be read as unexpected (25) joy (58) I use that example since it was certainly the sentence that was more relevant than either the 25.2 or the 25.6 in a reading of my own I recall.
If i get only one moving line I consider such a strong factor I don't much consider the relating hexagram. When many lines are movng one can almost perceive, at least i do, that they move in order to give you the relating hexagram and indeed interpreting the sentence the two hexagrams make together can give far more guidance than focusing intenly on each line
- That there is one clear answer
- That this is the dominant answer for duration
- That the querent has clarity already, so is getting a clear reply
- That there is a very focused question that, therefore, gains a very direct reply
- That the other energies which exist are unimportant/non-existent
- That one changing line gets Yi the reply of the resulting hexagram which is more key to Yi
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- Multiple changes to denote an evolution of States of Being
- Multiple lines for the Yi to get to the resulting hexagram
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I am thinking that there are "subconscious" interpretations related to number of changing lines...What do you think?
Modest Learner
I see every line, positive or negative, as advice. If you do this, then this will be the result. If you do that, then that will be the result
So I got even more intrigued by this idea of a single changing line....and this example is particularly elegant interpretation of Unexpected Joy as put forth by Trojan.
Yi is capturing a "moment" of energy. This is my thought anyway.
Can there be additional conclusions drawn about a situation based on the number of changing lines? (By the way, I am sure that this is addressed by the more informed, but I am a newbie!). Is Yi saying
- That there is one clear answer
- That this is the dominant answer for duration
- That the querent has clarity already, so is getting a clear reply
- That there is a very focused question that, therefore, gains a very direct reply
- That the other energies which exist are unimportant/non-existent
- That one changing line gets Yi the reply of the resulting hexagram which is more key to Yi
Understanding single line changing by observing MULTIPLE LINES and this what Trojan has written above:
- Multiple changes to denote an evolution of States of Being
- Multiple lines for the Yi to get to the resulting hexagram
I also have felt that in certain casts where there are multiple lines that the Yi is capturing is the evolution of states of being of the situation/person in question. Yet, in other casts, it feels more mechanical. That in order for Yi to give you the resulting Hexagram, the various
I am thinking that there are "subconscious" interpretations related to number of changing lines...What do you think?
Modest Learner
When one line changes, the fanyao is the corresponding line in the relating hexagram. For me that hexagram is the context (not future, I mentioned that only as what many people call it). The fanyao is a kind of detail of that context, maybe a bit like the context of the changing line.I wasn't talking about the relating hexagram as you can clearly read in the quote of mine you used but the fan yao line in particular. I said it represented an almost reverse or mirror image of the changing line in the primary becasue I thought I had read that from Brad. I thought that was how it was useful...to cast some light on the changing line as a kind of reverse of it...he can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think we would take the fan yao as context or future .... If you are saying the line 38.6 is the context or future then you have lost me completely.
I'm not sure theres an 'if ' in every answer . Could be I suppose or it can be a statement of 'how it is'. It could be 'this is an empty basket, this offering is insincere' rather than 'don't offer an empty basket'. I thought Yi was oft used for plain predictions like 'will it rain' these are early examples you yourself often quote. I tend to see advice less in answers than pictures of how it is
However I suppose 'don't offer an empty basket' could be said to amount to the same thing as ' insincere offerings produce nothing'
So, if my question is very focused, do i get a very focused reply? If I am very clear in my thoughts, do I get a simple reply? Just exploring.... If I am in transition, do I get multiple changing lines? If I am confused, do I receive multiple lines.... ETC
So, here I guess I was exploring the issue of how much does our own states of mind influence the Yi's replies?
It is much like Tarot, I can ask the question for myself, and I get a range of cards. Someone could ask the same question on my behalf, and get a whole other set of cards. Energy?
I didn't mean to torture us all, lol, on standardizing the Yi. I got excited about what I learned from all of you... and got, well, carried away. I realize the beauty of the Yi is that it is like a dance with your inner self...
Modest Learner
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yes sometimes seems that the one hex contradicts the other but this may occur between the lines too. like if you get 60.1.2 Duh ? !!!!
Trojan: I loved your answer! No i am not making any value judgments on Yi....I am simply trying to uncover the relationship between the querant and the Yi.
You are very right that a judgment with one line is better than one with multiple lines. You took my question and worked it backwards which was very insightful, i.e., what is the reason behind modest learner's investigation--there seems to be a value judgment on single line replies.
If there is anyone who would like to comment on how they believe the querent's own mindset about the issue they are querying affects the response of the Yi, and by this I mean, does fear of the querent influence the Yi's response? does positivity?, I would be interested in that a lot. To be more exact, if one were to set up an experiment that the querent casts a question and another party casts the same question for the querent, would the response be the same? Again, I am approaching this as if I have no experience and I am just a learner. The answer seems obvious, but I am sure that there are some interesting experiences/perspectives on this.
This has moved on from the original question of single line and dropping the resulting hexagram...
Thank you,
Modest Learner
My experience with multiple moving lines is usually that there is a lot to do. The few times I got 6 lines moving was about things which were beyond my ability to solve - not impossible but too big for me.
No lines: this is it, it is good to see it, know it, but no need to get active.
Several lines - depends. Sometimes all lines are important, sometimes they just seem to get that relating hex for me. Like Trojan's story "25-49". Very short way to say a big lot.
Trojan,
I had edited my entire post and had caught that error. I had also dropped a few sentences, etc., but apparently, my edited and corrected version did not post. (I didnt even use underscore so...)
Apologies.
Modest Learner
I think it interesting that you say 54.6 made you sad but then, with relief, 38.6 made you happy. But that statement gives the impression the answers are only there to make you happy rather than give you the truth.
will x return to y? in which Yi responded: 35.3>56.
My experience with multiple moving lines is usually that there is a lot to do. The few times I got 6 lines moving was about things which were beyond my ability to solve - not impossible but too big for me.
No lines: this is it, it is good to see it, know it, but no need to get active.
Several lines - depends. Sometimes all lines are important, sometimes they just seem to get that relating hex for me. Like Trojan's story "25-49". Very short way to say a big lot.
Yes, all are in accord. But this could change in a flash.
"x" could change his mind suddenly.
"y" could change his mind suddenly.
Someone has to stand steady for this agreement to last.
That is one possible meaning of the hex 56 as the relating hexagram.
Maybe you could tell us what happened with x and y?
Another possible meaning is that it indicates your role as the 'seeker', one who is engaged in divination to find an answer about x and y.
If you keep I Ching notebooks and look back over your own readings, you will begin to get a better feel for the relating hexagram.
an example of a reading i got recently with one changing line.
I was worried about a family member that couldn't find them on phone. I asked Yi " what is going on with them ?" and got 2.6>23. It didn't make any sense !!! After some time, late in the day, they appeared and gave me the answer I couldn't figure out. The were at their summer house cleaning the place from the weeds .
i have just tried this eclectic energies digital casting? is it approved of?
i have been using i ching online and i ching on love by ifate
also interpretations on www.answercult
if anyone feels i err doing this then please let me know thx
I think there is a direction you can follow in order to find your understanding of the answer. Which direction is not clear… like in reality, you go to that mountain over there, but where to cross the plain? Where can you get past the river of confusion, how to avoid the brambles, is there anywhere a road. Part of figuring out the answer is deciding to turn left or right, to go now or postpone it to a moment of more mental clarity – like eg sleeping over it often helps – and so on. Part of being a good pathfinder is being a good searcher and guesser. Not just the one who happens to know the road. Very often the process of finding that path is the biggest gift of your answer. You learn something which you don't learn easily in practical and busy daily life.HeyliSe, can you comment on this idea of a feeling that i get at times of a more mechanical purpose of the multiple changing lines was only the Yi getting the query to the resulting hexagram?
And how do you feel about the state of mind of the querent and its influence?
Modest Learner
The query was how was x feeling about the situation or the girl y....I wondered if 56 was appropriate as "outsider?"
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