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I found out that my son's friend is a drug addict. I'm not sure how much drugs he takes but since I've known him when he was a child, i really feel bad and care for him. i know that he was in rehab for a little while but now it looks like he's taking the drugs again. I was told that he has depression as well. I asked Yi "Please provide an image if he can overcome this addiction or not". I got 22.1.3.6>2

I'm not really sure how to interpret this. 20 is about beauty, grace, external appearance. The image I see is perhaps he's using it to overcome his depression, but he will try to fight this on his own (line 1), lines 3 and 6 give similar message of simple conduct. I don't see danger in this situation which is what I'm afraid of. Can someone shed some lights on this. Thanks in advance for your inputs.
 
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Tubinluv:

You say the reading is "I got 22.1.3.6>2," but then you talk about hexagram 20? Was that just a mistake and reading is really about 22 > 2? ... or?

Thanks, David.
 

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Hi David,

yes, sorry my bad, i meant 22. Thank you for your response
 
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Tubinluv: I feel completely unqualified to speak at all about addiction, certainly not in any way that offers a specific direction. I do not know if the Yi can tell you about the outcome of your son's friend's addiction; or if it can, I can't provide it.

So, I'll throw out a few ideas, knowing perhaps that they will only be of limited use to you.

Carl Jung believed that addiction was spiritual thirst for a sense of wholeness. From the outside, it may appear to us that that is not what's happening to an addict or alcoholic, but the substances they take provide a sense of no boundaries and wholeness, at least in some form.

With that in mind, when I look at your reading, Hexagram 22 has the trigrams Mountain above Fire. It seems that it could describe the this young man's situation: that any clarity or possibility for tranformation is being held in place by mountain's firm, unrelenting grip. Being stuck also describes an aspect of depression, where it feels like there is no movement, not possibility of escape.

What may be needed is something that will shock this grip loose. For good or ill, it may be something like hitting rock bottom, or ending up in jail, or harming himself or another in a way where he might be shocked to see beyond his addiction and then act on it. It could also be something positive, like finding a good treatment program, or like embracing a higher power, but whatever it is, I imagine it will be a shock of some sort.

Fire can also mean protection, so it may be that he needs to feel protected and safe in order to make the radical changes that will be necessary.

The depression aspect is tricky. Maybe if he becomes un-addicted, the depression will lessen; or if he was to deal with his depression, then he'd be less prone to substance abuse; and it could be he will need addtional help for that.

Sorry if I can't offer you anything more specific or sure.

All the best to you, your son and his friend.
 

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I asked Yi "Please provide an image if he can overcome this addiction or not". I got 22.1.3.6>2

What I read from this is yes he can overcome "this addiction." Hex 2 indicates it will be difficult, but he can overcome if he wants to, and if he doesn't go it alone. Maybe back into rehab, or a 12-Step program, or other support group. "At first, confusion. Later, gains a master." (Barrett)

In my experience, there's no straight line to recovery. It's a jagged road.

Peace to you, your friend's son.

—Julie
 

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David, thank you. Your thoughts are quite insightful, I will share this with my son's friend's mom.

Thank you Julie. This is such as a tough battle, I heard that many people struggle with back and forth in rehab and yes, it is a jagged road.
 

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I saw an ad for something to help overcome addiction to smoking. It said people on the average quit 60 times before they have been able to quit for good! Shocking! But also somehow encouraging for those who may have felt it was hopeless. Just because a person has quit once and back slid they can quit again and eventually it will stick.

I think your reading is an example of why it's better to ask questions that are not looking for a yes or no answer.
22.1.3.6 -2 could be read as someone having a vision of sobriety and ultimately being able to put the addiction to rest but it could also describe someone who is lost in fantasy land with that vision taking over.

Maybe ask something like, "How will my friend be able to overcome the addiction?"
 

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I saw an ad for something to help overcome addiction to smoking. It said people on the average quit 60 times before they have been able to quit for good! Shocking! But also somehow encouraging for those who may have felt it was hopeless. Just because a person has quit once and back slid they can quit again and eventually it will stick.

I think your reading is an example of why it's better to ask questions that are not looking for a yes or no answer.
22.1.3.6 -2 could be read as someone having a vision of sobriety and ultimately being able to put the addiction to rest but it could also describe someone who is lost in fantasy land with that vision taking over.

Maybe ask something like, "How will my friend be able to overcome the addiction?"
 

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Rosada, wow, thanks for your perspective about the person who is lost in the fantasy land, i could have never thought of that. I'm very grateful for this community!! You've rephrased my question very well, so i asked "How will he be able to overcome the addiction" and got 62.1>55. It looks like it's not going to be an easy path, there's not much can be done at this time. The bird needs to remain in the nest until it's ready to fly.

My next question: where will his life evolve from here? 36.3>24.
line 3 - Wilhelm/Baynes: Darkening of the light during the hunt in the south. Their great leader is captured. One must not expect perseverance too soon.

I think the situation is hopeful, it looks like he's going to overcome (hex 24) this eventually but this will be a gradual progress, it won't happen overnight.

What do you think?
 

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I found out that my son's friend is a drug addict. I'm not sure how much drugs he takes but since I've known him when he was a child, i really feel bad and care for him. i know that he was in rehab for a little while but now it looks like he's taking the drugs again. I was told that he has depression as well. I asked Yi "Please provide an image if he can overcome this addiction or not". I got 22.1.3.6>2

I'm not really sure how to interpret this. 20 is about beauty, grace, external appearance. The image I see is perhaps he's using it to overcome his depression, but he will try to fight this on his own (line 1), lines 3 and 6 give similar message of simple conduct. I don't see danger in this situation which is what I'm afraid of. Can someone shed some lights on this. Thanks in advance for your inputs.


There isn't any 'fighting' in this cast and I am wondering if you and he would phrase his situation rather differently. 22 has to do with how we package and present things, the appearance of things as you said and also the labellings and descriptions of things.

You call him a 'drug addict' but would he call himself that ? It's a taboo area but people do need to admit pleasure is a fundamental of drug taking and this cast looks so easy, so pleasurable, so simple.


To me it looks like he can just naturally stop over time perhaps. I don't know what kind of drugs we are talking about so I am aware that could be unrealistic BUT this cast is not stressful or strugglesome in anyway.

I don't understand why someone said 2 meant it wouldn't be easy ? There's nothing in 2 to say that. 2 is an open receptive field. What if he doesn't want to give up drugs, what if he is enjoying them ?

To go even further what if taking drugs is part of his own journey hard as it may be to see that.

I think the advice to you might be not to just go straight into fear mode by the words 'drug addict' because I don't feel looking at this cast that it's exactly like that. So maybe stop listening to what people say about him, realize labels are just labels sometimes.


So you didn't need to ask more questions and I find yes/no questions fine in my own usage so everyone is different with that but anyway

You've rephrased my question very well, so i asked "How will he be able to overcome the addiction" and got 62.1>55. It looks like it's not going to be an easy path, there's not much can be done at this time. The bird needs to remain in the nest until it's ready to fly.


You are addressing your own perception of his situation and so this question leads you astray. I think this means you should stop soaring into the air with this, come down to earth.

My next question: where will his life evolve from here? 36.3>24.
line 3 - Wilhelm/Baynes: Darkening of the light during the hunt in the south. Their great leader is captured. One must not expect perseverance too soon.


If I took that directly I'd say he's tackled the main issues around drugs but there's still some attraction to them and he may fall back at times but that doesn't matter so much because the main issue has been addressed. You or maybe he needs to be more patient rather than looking for instant results. 62.1 can be trying for too much so both this and the 36.3 suggest this is something that takes time.

I think the situation is hopeful, it looks like he's going to overcome (hex 24) this eventually but this will be a gradual progress, it won't happen overnight.



24 as return to one's own true condition of self. None of these casts show me you need to worry and indeed I think the 22 may be for you and him.
 

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How will he be able to overcome this addiction? 62.1 - 55.
I got this line once when I was wanting to lose weight, to overcome a sugar addiction you might say. I interpreted it as a warning I needed to PREPARE first, as in getting rid of all the sugar in the house and stocking up on proper food, and letting friends know so they would be supportive and not offended when I turned down offers of dessert. I followed this advice and it proved effective.

How will his life evolve from here? 36.3 - 24. This line seems to be about hitting rock bottom so I don't think he will just casually outgrow his interest in drugs. I think this line says he will have to have some sort of realization that the drugs are hurting and this hopefully will inspire him to Return to a more healthy life style.

My experience of 2 has not always been benign. I've experienced it to mean an open field where all things are nourished but also - and especially as the relating hexagram - I've seen it to mean the inspiration, the life force, has run its course and is put to rest. Thus in regards to this question it seems to caution that while the seeming harmlessness of experimenting with pleasure in 22 can lead to drifting off into la-la land and nothing more, still it could also mean drifting off into la-la land forever for ever. Certainly if your friend has already been so enthralled in this world that he's had to be in rehab, it is reasonable to be watchful now.

I just asked the I Ching just, "What is addiction?" and got 1.2 -13. So it starts by seeing others doing it and thinking those people are kinds cool or having a good time? Maybe the thought that drugs will make one be 13. in with the in crowd? Or maybe like alcohol, addictions make you feel confident, more capable than you really are? Like you are now one with that Superior Man you see appearing in the field? Kinda like wishing you could be a jazz musician and you notice a lot of jazz musicians smoke pot so rather than practicing 12 hours a day you figure you too can just do drugs and genius will burst upon you...

Anyway, very sad. I wish the best for you all.
 

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Thanks Trojina. it's good to hear from you. Actually "drug addict" is what he admitted to my son when they had a heart to heart talk but to be honest, he may have said that without realizing it or he may.... I don't really know what kind of drug he's taking but I know it's not something like you see on TV where they inject it on their arm. I'm actually very ignorant about this topic so i don't know what kinds are out there. However, I'm more hopeful after reading your post. You've shared some of the insights from the past that i think were very helpful to me so thank you again!!
 

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Hi Rosada, ooohh, drifting into la-la land forever, this is quite scary. Thank you for asking the question about "addiction", your explanation is quite insightful, again, i could have never deciphered 1.2 in such a way. This is such a great community to learn and especially to hear the experiences from various people.

In any case, this is such a sad situation, he's a really good kid with great potentials. My son and his other friends try to talk him out of it but it seems like it doesn't matter what other people say, the bottom line is it's up to him to decide if he wants out or not. I think you're right that he may not casually outgrow this addiction. I can only pray for him. Thank you!
 

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