experiences?

[rodaki]

I wonder how people have experienced or dealt with a 1 to 2 reading when it is not about anyone else . . helpful ideas anyone??

 

[answeredquestions]

Hexagram 1 and 2?

Sorry, me slow

 

[dobro p]

I wonder how people have experienced or dealt with a 1 to 2 reading when it is not about anyone else . . helpful ideas anyone??

When all the lines of 1 change, the Wilhelm version refers you to 1.7:

"Seeing flock of dragons without head. Fortunate."

I read that as something like 'Seeing spiritual powers at work, yet not discerning the plan or purpose: fortunate.'

It's the 'fortunate' bit that's reassuring, considering that 1 and 2 are both involved lol. But keep in mind that even if 1 and 2 are involved, it could easily be an issue for a day or a week - it doesn't have to be world-changing.

 

[rodaki]

hi answeredquestions, yes this is about hexagram 1 turning to 2 (all lines changing and .. uhm, me slower i guess, )

When all the lines of 1 change, the Wilhelm version refers you to 1.7:

"Seeing flock of dragons without head. Fortunate."

I read that as something like 'Seeing spiritual powers at work, yet not discerning the plan or purpose: fortunate.'

It's the 'fortunate' bit that's reassuring, considering that 1 and 2 are both involved lol. But keep in mind that even if 1 and 2 are involved, it could easily be an issue for a day or a week - it doesn't have to be world-changing.

yes, that's very much like it, thanks !

i would even add: at the level of no mastery (and i mean that in a good way, there are occasions where the slightest notion of mastery is simply a joke . .), diligence -or even faith- works . .


and 'fortunate' . . . hmm, like someone's wishing you 'good luck' i guess, lol!

 

[answeredquestions]

rodaki - Hey, did you GET that result? hex. 1 to hex. 2? (Why I ask is because I was just discussing this in another post and how hard it can be to get that "Answer")

Did you use yarrow or coins or something else?
Just really curious...
Thanks.

 

[rodaki]

answeredquestions I admit it, i did get that answer
and it was neither coins nor yarrow

 

[answeredquestions]

it was neither coins nor yarrow

how DID you acheive it?

 

[dobro p]

and 'fortunate' . . . hmm, like someone's wishing you 'good luck' i guess, lol!

Maybe it's like life wishing you good luck. It means a good outcome.

 

[rodaki]

Maybe it's like life wishing you good luck. It means a good outcome.

pheww, that's a thorny issue . . and it was a big 'aha' for me when, attempting to move a box full of books I seriously hurt my back . . and my flatmate was out of town for a couple of days . . so I lay there incapable of moving without fainting from pain, cursing my stupidity and I pondered my day reading: 55.5 . . .lines are coming alright and you know, I just had to laugh (without moving preferably )


i mean, ok, that's what we need right? to believe in the power of the omen, to make a solid divination, find the definitive answer, come away with some sort of seal or guarantee . . as if that will ever stop life from changing, changing us along the way . . thorny issue i say . .



answeredquestions I really have to wonder what is your deal here . . are you here to comment on the reading, to do your research or what? I didn't answer your poll and I'm not going to answer your question because it is simply irrelevant . . divination is private and whether someone tosses coins, handles yarrow, marbles or beads or even dreams of a reading is not what it is all about . .

 

[fkegan]

Maybe it's like life wishing you good luck. It means a good outcome.

Hi Rodaki,
The good fortune, a standard oracle slogan, in Wilhelm commentary, I would interpret as being about how unusual this Oracle is and how rarely it would fit for questions asked by an Imperial bureaucrat, more like "good luck" add to the weather report that the second foot of snow is coming to DC and shutting down the government you work for. You are becoming under the control of an act of God and like a tsunami it will appear, do its thing with you and be gone back to a normal beach scene quickly.

If it is describing what is happening with you personally, it would say you are not in control of what is happening and that lack of personal involvement or direction is making its own statement.

I have been thinking of this Oracle 1.7>>2 which came up as a description of a person on another thread. Also not by casting, though I have at least once cast it with coins.

Drawn on the page six moving Yang lines in one Oracle is impressive, but is about pure process that has taken ahold of you, like the Tower card of the Tarot where both the King and commoner are in freefall and as such totally equal. In terms of the commentary it is a blob of 6 dragons without heads or the clear and present experience of the Tao coming into focus just long enough to express its point and then going back into the deep background of the hex 2 landscape.

So, I would agree it is a short term description, perhaps like a beautiful mystical experience not at all under your control then afterward it is normal life.

Frank

 

[answeredquestions]

answeredquestions I really have to wonder what is your deal here . . are you here to comment on the reading, to do your research or what? I didn't answer your poll and I'm not going to answer your question because it is simply irrelevant . . divination is private and whether someone tosses coins, handles yarrow, marbles or beads or even dreams of a reading is not what it is all about . .

Hmm... I'm not sorry I ask, but sorry I affended. I am just curious about the ways inwhich people are getting their answers. I have found that my curiousity leads to asking questions, and that some people are open to commenting. It is okay if you don't wish to share. I understand that, as much as someone who does.

I am new to the idea of more than one way of reaching an answer. so you will have to excuse me. I got the Book of Changes about 2 years ago, read it in full, then started using yarrow about 8 months ago. In the book it mentions coins as well, but no other mention of any other method.

So, in trying to reach out, and perhaps understand better ways, I joined this site. I love helping other people figure out their answers as well as other people helping me with mine, but I also thought of this as a place as a forum to figure out a few other aspects of the I Ching. Like, "how" and "with what"?

 

[answeredquestions]

Oh, and I get sort of aw struck when things line up, in a synchronistic sort of way and had just brought up getting 1>2.

Here's the thread in an attempt to clarify myself more..

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=9628

 

[rodaki]

Hi Rodaki,

So, I would agree it is a short term description, perhaps like a beautiful mystical experience not at all under your control then afterward it is normal life.

Frank

hi Frank,

yes, that is what I'm getting from this reading too, only I'm not so sure about the 'freefall' part . . 'no heads' or 'no masters' might also mean something beyond the realm of bureaucracy and status symbols, what falls could be the idea of mastery itself not of individual strength and tenacity . . maybe I'm too much of an idealist though . . :bag:

 

[rodaki]

Oh, and I get sort of aw struck when things line up, in a synchronistic sort of way and had just brought up getting 1>2.

Here's the thread in an attempt to clarify myself more..

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=9628

yes, I've seen the threads you have posted about this question of yours but anything i might like to share on that i would -and did- share it there already . .

 

[answeredquestions]

Ok, so to try and make this right

I have never got 1>2.

To me (and I am going to try and look at these hexagrams as simple as possible) it means something changing from being creative to receptive.

So creative - something very powerful (yang) and strong. Something expanding, active, daytime, summer, light, the sun, brightness, and the heavens.

changing to

And receptive - something very subdued (yin) and attentive. Contracting, still, Nighttime, winter, dark, the moon, darkness, and the earth.

These images (changing from yang to yin) mean anything to you in regard to your question?

 

[maremaria]

I have never got 1>2.

Just to be prepered when you get one , there is an interesting discussion here

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=9399

 

[answeredquestions]

Oh, something else I just thought of when I was walking around at work rodaki.

It is as if people tend to be one more than the other (creative or receptive) in their personalities. For instance, me. I know that I am built to be receptive. I know this because of my emotions, being a woman, etc. Just a hunch really. But sometimes I get this urge! To be aggressive and nt receptive at all. And I find that when I "remember" that I am better off being receptive, things start to fall into place again.

It's like, for instance, someone who is the planner for an idea, and someone who carries out the tasks. I want to plan sometimes, but find if I let other people put in their input, it works smoother. AND I AM NOT SAYING IM A SHEEP!

What I am trying to say is that, to balance myself, I need to sometimes be more receptive (yin).

Some people on the other hand, that I know personally even, are the opposite. Always taking the backseat and never speaking up etc. It would do them good to go yang!

...do you know what I mean?
cause for some reason, that is what 1>2 means to me.

 

[rodaki]

Oh, something else I just thought of when I was walking around at work rodaki.

It is as if people tend to be one more than the other (creative or receptive) in their personalities. For instance, me. I know that I am built to be receptive. I know this because of my emotions, being a woman, etc. Just a hunch really. But sometimes I get this urge! To be aggressive and nt receptive at all. And I find that when I "remember" that I am better off being receptive, things start to fall into place again.

It's like, for instance, someone who is the planner for an idea, and someone who carries out the tasks. I want to plan sometimes, but find if I let other people put in their input, it works smoother. AND I AM NOT SAYING IM A SHEEP!

What I am trying to say is that, to balance myself, I need to sometimes be more receptive (yin).

Some people on the other hand, that I know personally even, are the opposite. Always taking the backseat and never speaking up etc. It would do them good to go yang!

...do you know what I mean?
cause for some reason, that is what 1>2 means to me.

hi answeredquestions

ok, to get back on track here )) . . i think there's a lot of truth in what you say about the balance, it is an art form to be learned -when one needs to be proactive and when reactive- maybe because these feel like wide streams and it's easy to fall back along their currents instead of knowing when to go against and/or with their flow . . especially the current of hexagram 1 all changing can feel over-overwhelming -too much energy floating around- and might induce a feeling of being on top of things . . and i think that changing to 2 shows how the earthly, grounded, industrious nature of 2 is what can effect the balance, by keeping one 's feet firmly on the ground, providing the way for all this energy to be put to good use instead of going all haywire and direction-less . . the pitfall i think would be in not recognizing that, when under the influence of yang the answer is 'be yin' and vice versa . . not get carried away by the energy, but find the best place from which to respond to it . .



in any case, receiving all lines changing is always an impressive toss, no matter the hexagram . . makes one go a bit over it . .

thanks for sharing your thoughts

 

[answeredquestions]

recognizing that, when under the influence of yang the answer is 'be yin' and vice versa . . not get carried away by the energy, but find the best place from which to respond to it . .

EGG ZACK LEE! so, if you want to further.. What do you think ? What is the best place from which to respond to FOR YOU

perhaps just let time tell

 

[rodaki]

feedback time

It's been a long while since I last visited this thread and also quite some time I've been thinking of coming back and posting what this reading turned out to be in my case . .

Reading back I find that Frank's interpretation gathered an important aspect of this reading, albeit not quite the extent or the (composite) dynamics of it . . He was right though about the tsunami like effect.

In that sense it signaled a time of overpowering changes but also extremely potent ones for the times I managed to stay centered and in empowered hex2 mode (2 not as in 'female' but as in 'earth'). I want to mention from the start though that I'm quite skeptical as to whether this story is typical of the reading, or maybe it is in its wide brushstrokes, so if you're reading this to gain insight to a reading of yours, take it with large grains of salt cause I'll be painting big.

In general, many of the occurrences I relate to this reading took the use of larger-than-life models to grasp, maybe one reason being that that was a time when I kept getting all-liners, including the 1.7 one which was repeated in my throws -a time of massive change that still resonates in my life . . definitely a story for my grandkids
Being so, I found that the use of tools based on archetypes, things like the mbti test or astrology (for tis descriptive, not predictive aspect) really came to the rescue at the time.

Trying to be more precise (excuse the obscurity but the reading's meaning had much more value in metaphorical rather than realistic terms, although I'll get into more pragmatic sides of it) I'll say that at the time it felt like the dynamics of my foundations were being re-produced for me to grasp. Hexagram 3 made a lot of sense at the time in its 'making-order-out-of-chaos' meaning, even though it wasn't part of my reading. It also made sense because the experience made me think a lot about the dynamics of creation and how out of all possibilities, ideas, all potentialities swarming life, only some are fit to find the ground for setting roots and growing into the real thing. In creative terms, living thru the reading was like witnessing the big, mythical and generational influences that had played a part in the choices I've made and the paths I had taken so far -you can think of it as drinking a shot of condensed jungian psychoanalysis, lol

Which brings this to the pragmatic aspects of the story . . Before having that kind of thing unfolded, I would have thought that with all the creative energy around, hex.1 would be the decisive element in all of it, with 2 being the background, but the truth of it was exactly the opposite -it was the realm of hex2 that was the proper to take charge and direct the flow, making the decisions and setting limits in keeping with a wide view idea of welfare rather than with immediate benefits. As I had mentioned in my last post here, it was a matter of keeping the balance by functioning in the way opposite to that of the prominent energy.

It was also a matter of 'faith'. In fact for me was a re-awakening of faith since I was never much of being 'faithful' in the strict sense of the term but being caught in such maelstrom of change faith provided me with a powerful rudder. It wasn't exactly what we call blind faith, neither the solipsistic faith-in-oneself we often look up to, but rather a continuum between the two, going even beyond . . this might sound a bit mystical but it isn't. In very down-to-earth words, I call such faith simply 'life' . . maybe it's an instinct of survival but one that is also sensible or intelligent, emotional and deeply soulful. In contrast to what showed as activity-based trust, that was a completely different kind of creature, almost contrary to it, cause the one really showed its strength when the other was brought to its tethers.

Just for the sake of documentation, two of the changes I introduced in my life at the time was quitting smoking (a big change of someone like me who was an unrequited smoker) and moving house, country, title, direction in a matter of about 7 to 10 days (lightening speed for my rhythms which usually are slow and gradual).

That's been the short of it, since I'm still living out the reverberations of the changes and realizations accomplished at the time. Looking back from here, I can see how a 14.6 reading I had 7 months earlier in a way portended or included the events of the all-liner.
All in all, it was a highly challenging time but too important to deem negative or positive, filled with great lessons and humbling experiences.
I hope this will be helpful to future readers . . if I had to wish something to those who have received it and look here for experiences, I'd say keep it simple, keep it close to earth and best of luck with those dragons!