faithfulness...

[robibiro]

36.2,4>34 faithfulness...

hi dear all...first since this is my first post here, id like to say hallo to every user of this forum, and share with you my newly started passion and respect for the iching and all the great and deep philosophy that lies under it.
Since i m a beginner, i would love to share the interpretation of the oracle with who is more experienced and willing to share!
i've questioned the oracle a question that was formulated like this: "if me and her would have married, would she be having affairs behind my back?"...the oracle replied: hex 36 Darkening of the light - changing into hex34 the power of the great.
what do you think?

 

[diamanda]

Hi robibiro,
It sounds to me like no, she wouldn't be faithful. Initially you'd think that it's no big
deal, and that things could be done to correct it, but in the end she would just never
change, and you'd find out things about her much worse than you expected. However
the outcome is very positive, 34 is telling you of how you are still young and strong
and perfectly able to find another girl who would be the right one for you.

 

[robibiro]

thanks diamanda. do you think that the second hex 34 is related to the actual current situation?
since my question was related to something that did not happen (if i would marry her) but i am asking the oracle from a position where i ve already decided not to marry her, do u think the moving lines are referring to the fact that my choice was good, or rather, that altought the premises (the hex36 ) were quite dark, the situation could have finally have a good outcome (if following the moving lines suggestions)
thats , i think, a very important difference , in interpreting the iching

 

[edge]

Hi there,
I wonder if the way you have phrased the question is making interpretation much more difficult. Since you have already decided not to marry her you are asking about a situation which will not and cannot exist. Its difficult then to work out exactly what the answer refers to. I would think more about what specifically you want to know and ask that question, based on the way things actually are. For example 'is she a trustworthy person'? Or 'give me a picture of the relationship we had', or 'tell me more about the decision I made', or 'what do I need to know about this decision not to marry'. You might find its easier to get a clear answer which will help you to move forward.
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[lucia]

This is just a quickie because I'm rushing today but I think there is a fundamental problem with your question. It sounds like a grammar lesson in the conditional..... If would would.........

thus while 36 could be talking about something covert like an affair it could also just be addressing your suspicions - your frame of mind.

36.4 goes to the heart of the matter but in what sense? Once again is it you or her?

I do think that questions need to be very clear 2 get clear answers - do you have a reason for doubting her? Is this a theoretical question?

How about asking what you need to know about your relationship with x or some variant that doesn't assume guilt from the start?

I am not quibling with D's answer by the way, just think it is really unclear with 2 many ifs to be confident that it is talking about another person.

Lucia

 

[robibiro]

thanks for the reply. I agree that my grammatical formulation is not very correct, but the question is clearly pointing to a doubt that dwells in my heart. ...if i married her, would she be cheating on me, as i feared, or not?

 

[edge]

Hi again, its not about the grammar, its about asking about something which isn't going to happen, because you already made the decision. If you are wondering if you made the right decision, ask about that, or ask if you can trust her, or what kind of person she is. Every time we make a decision, we change the future, we take a different path. The possibility of a relationship with her (faithful or otherwise) currently doesn't exist, because you chose (if I understand correctly) not to marry her. My impression here is, what you really want to know is if you made the right decision. Just a thought...
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[lucia]

Of course it is not about the grammar who cares about grammar?

As edge said there's too many variables in your question "If ....would.....would etc"

The future is not cast in stone how can it be you are the deision maker in your life? It is like asking the ching to say to you......... "well, if she had broken her leg she might have wanted to be unfaithful but wouldn't be able to be but on the other hand maybe she meets a mssionary on tuesday and gets religion......"

The point being that how can you tell whether the answer is addressing physical situations or your worries and suspicions? You can't really.

Hilary has written some really good stuff on this site about how 2 ask questions and the importance of getting them clear - it really does help otherwise you just go in circles bouncing off the answer.

Lucia

 

[robibiro]

yes...i actually agree with both your points....i've got to improve the formulation of the questions
thanks a lot