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deekristen

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Hello everybody...

It's been a long time since i've written here... Wow.. anyways...

Soo on New years eve i have met this adorable guy, there is only one problem he is the friend of a friend, and this friend is in love with me but i have nothing to do with him, he is just a good friend to me... but this guy that i have just met is the person i have been looking for in every way, at least i feel that way for now, i have just met him. This weekend we contacted with this guy and met and we were together all weekend long, we spent 48 hours together, it was a lot of fun btw... :)

I asked the question wat does he feel about me? and got 37

Big old 37 is nice, i like it, i think its respect, honor and sharing everything a family should have so i take this a s a good sign, to be honost i fel that way too, the energy i get from him is clean.

What do you say? A wider interpretation maybe?
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deekristen

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I just asked if we will have a lasting relationship with this guy and the answer is 37 again....

Should i be happy? or any important details i need to know?
 

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37 covers the use of rigid structure to elicit tension release. The local example used in the traditional texts is to a family but it covers any form of rigid structure that elicits tension release:

* In the binary sequence hexagram 37 pairs with hexagram 63.

This pairing reflects an overall focus on completion in the form of 'correct structure'. In hexagram 37 the differentiating bias is to a particular in the form of tension release where "a first daughter is a first daughter" and a "third son is a third son", in other words there is no competition and the context overall acts as a cause of tension release, that context being ANY collective but the metaphor of a family is used to get the point across.. Hexagram 63 focuses on correctness leading to the completion of something, of getting the sequence of events 'right' and so we also see a focus on 'correct structure'.

* In the binary sequence hexagram 37 opposes hexagram 40.

The main theme is tension release with the hexagrams manifesting different approaches, thus 40 focuses on tension release through release of structure, whereas 37 focuses on tension release through an imposition of structure.

At the LOCAL level we are dealing with an octet of hexagrams with FIRE as the base. Here 55 'opposes' 37 where the exaggerated sense of abundance and diversity (and so potential overflow) is reflected in a more balanced format by a focus on rigid structuring (37).

* In the traditional sequence hexagram 37 pairs with hexagram 38.

The overall emphasis here is on rigid structure, in 37 this is in the form of a collective that serves to reduce tension, in 38 the focus is on 'going against the flow', both for benefit but also as a cost.

RIGIDITY:

37 : rigidity - through structure (tension releasing); 37 rigid structure (family) comes from a context described by hexagram 39 - obstacles, bypassing

38 : rigidity - through perspective (tension reducing); 38 mirroring comes from a context described by hexagram 40 - relaxed structuring

* In the traditional sequence hexagram 37 opposes hexagram 28.

In this pairing the rigid structure of 37 is balanced and it serves as tension release, in 28 there is a sense of over-balanced, about to burst and so a presence of tension and exaggeration.

The purpose or outcome of 37 is described by analogy to 23 - there is a focus on housekeeping, pruning things to their essentials, all is in the correct place ready for transition (the next season etc). Thus the getting things in rigid structure leads into ease in pruning and so preparing for the future.

The infrastructure of 37, its skeletal form, is described by analogy to 39 - the vague notion of an obstacle, a rigid structure standing up to the 'mindless flow' of the surroundings seeds the development of the specific form of 37 (as does the vague notion of 37 seed the particular form of 39)

Does 37 'fit' with your question? If you used traditional methods such a determination is unsure, it could be the 'best fit' OTOH it could be the worst fit! The EIC program may aid in getting a more consistent 'feel' for the situation.
 
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deekristen

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I am sorry but this is not much help,it is very confusing...

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I am sorry but this is not much help,it is very confusing...

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You asked for a wider interpretation of 37 and I gave you such. What seems to be the issue?

The problem with using traditional methods, given more recent findings in how we derive meaning etc, is that it can lack precision and consistency. Thus my suggestion of using the EIC material where such utilises your unconscious to contribute to the assessment of the situation. 'something' pushed a button in you for you to ask the question you did - so we focus on trying to identify that 'something'. :)
 
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deekristen

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Thanks, i understand you tried to help but i didnt get much from it...
 

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trojanwenc...are you trojan with a new handle?
 

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trojanwenc...are you trojan with a new handle?

no trojanwench is someone parodying me, not so much in this thread but in others..which is irritating though sometimes inadvertently funny. Of course in this thread there is also someone called Ginnie2 obviously a cowardly and nasty attack on Ginnie...well it was there it has gone now which is good, Hilary must have done something about it

I'm not sure of this persons intention or motivation..., but don't post too often or speak too openly here or you may attract the same and get someone posting as 'Bamboozle' or something. I think someone already did it to another member.

Dunno what they want. Maybe they want to stop certain people posting, or they just want to ridicule them. In her parody (in other threads) 'trojanwench' obviously really never had understood much of what I'd ever said but is furious i ever had the audacity to say what she thought i meant.

Obviously theres lots of names to choose from, odd that here in this one thread we had 'trojanwench' and 'ginnie2' so closely replicating existing members.


Probably all the same person anyway...yawn, but a pity they play their game around the unsuspecting querants who think they are for real.
 

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I don't think all this belongs here on this thread????
Maybe in open forum????
You say instead of answering the question, you are attempting to pinpoint the reason the question was asked???
Who is "we?"
Who thought of this?
It's like trying to answer a simple question with 3,000 more questions--useless IMNSHO!
A complete waste of time and frankly, makes you sound a bit NUTTY, which I'm sure you're not, but...really, what is the point of all that garbaly-gook?

Please don't answer that.
No offense.
But you ask what the problem is with your answer, so there you go.:rolleyes:

well its not up to you to decide who can say what is it deedeebird ? It is quite annoying you are using my name and I hope at some point you will not be able to do this as you are only out to cause trouble again
 

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Hi, no, I have been using the IC for many moons, but only recently joined the forum. My luck, I use "trojan" as my username elsewhere, but when I went to use it here, I found it was already taken. Thus the "wench" part. I hope the other Trojan doesn't take offense!She isn't a wench, by any chance, is she?:eek:

i think you are using my name to antagonise me, you were clearly parodying what you perceived as my views and my style in other threads . So frankly i think you are lieing here and whilst I can't exactly take offense at, or even take seriously, someone as unimaginative as you...i mean how transparent can you be...deedeebird or deedeebird clone, i don't really think its okay to harass others in this way.

I would prefer it if you used your own name and even tried to express your own thoughts (if possible...too difficult ?) instead of attacking members who, in the end, are only trying to help others with their readings in the main.
 

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Again...WOW:eek:. Take it to a higher order. Pray. Light a candle. Do something to exercise those demons. There is room enough for a Trojan and a Trojanwench, isn't there? If you think something I said reminded you of you...and you didn't like it...well, gee, what would a smart person do:mischief:

well you have to ask yourself if a smart person would spend time repeatedly returning to an i ching forum purely to cause trouble. i mean will it ever get you the result you want ?

be trojanwench if you want, i can't stop you. I can stop you deliberately setting out to wind people up though cos thats not tolerated here anymore..and if it is tolerated I'd be out of this forum anyway and leave the whole field to you anyway

Happy ?
 

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wonder what happened to 'Ginnie2' ? or was 'Ginnie2' just genuinely that new members name also.....what a strange coincidence
 

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More like speechless.
Here I am, answering questions, getting thank yous, now this.
Maybe I just need to change my name? Is that it? Is there some history here I know nothing about?
I meant no offense, honest, and I'm completely confused by a lot of what you are saying, so...I'm just going to continue answering questions and hope the trouble goes away.
If I somehow wound you up, I truly apologize. (Maybe I really need to change my username?!)

The thing is, it sounds like you think you are being mocked, and you don't so much like it (totally understandable), but the part I don't get is if someone imitated me to the point where I could recognize myself in the imitation and didn't like it...dunno, think I'd consider changing my ways:mischief:.

your parody showed how little you understood thats all..just a rehash of old stuff., (and heck its not hard to recognise self when you call yourself 'trojanwench') but its very flattering you went to the trouble all for me. I mean you have the whole of the I Ching to explore on this forum and all you focus on is aspects of my style you dislike.

rest assured i wouldn't consider changing anything about myself for someone i hold in such low regard as I hold you. In suggesting i change my behaviour you might consider the roots of your own need to mock Ginnie, I and others. Do you think its frustration at your lack of ability to articulate your own thoughts ? I guess it must be, especially when you claim to be some kind of writer/journalist...still studying conflict in forums are you ?



to go further in this conversation you'd have to do it in moderation but i have no interest in meeting you there so it might be lonely..(.hey but you could always invent a few fake people like you usually do...to back up your views or even as sort of false opponents, stir up a bit of trouble, if only you weren't so transparent it might work lol)
 
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I don't think all this belongs here on this thread????
Maybe in open forum????
You say instead of answering the question, you are attempting to pinpoint the reason the question was asked???
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Oh look - a low brow.
:p
 

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No, no, I understood everything you said even though it was way over my head and you are so much smarter than me:

* In the binary sequence hexagram 37 opposes hexagram 40.

The main theme is pretension with the hexagrams manifesting different approaches, thus 40 focuses on pretension release through release of structure, whereas 37 focuses on pretension release through an ignoramous of structure.

At the LOCAL level we are dealing with an octet of hexagrams with FIRE as the base. Here 55 'opposes' 37 where the exaggerated sense of intelligence and pomposity (and so potential to make others feel sick) is reflected in a more balanced format by a focus on using made up concepts (37).

* In the traditional sequence hexagram 37 pairs with hexagram 38.

The overall emphasis here is on trying to impress people with absolute nonsense, in 37 this is in the form of a collective that serves to produce pretension, in 38 the focus is on 'going against everything else you’ve ever heard or read, both for no reason but also as a loss.

STUPIDITY:

37 : stupidity - through structure (pretension releasing); 37 rigid structure (family) comes from a context described by hexagram 39 - obstacles, bypassing true meaning

38 : rigidity - through perspective (pretension inducing); 38 mirroring comes from a context described by hexagram 40 – perplexed and ridiculous structuring

* In the traditional sequence hexagram 37 comes after hexagram 28.

In this pairing the frigid structure of 37 is balanced and it serves as pretension release, in 28 there is a sense of over-explaining, about the worst possible, and so a pretense of lies, made up gobbly gook and exaggeration.

The purpose or outcome of 37 is never going to be found this way, as described by analogy to 23 - there is a focus on sleeping, ruining things completely, all is in the completely wrong place unready for anything (the next season etc). Thus the getting things in frigid structure leads into ruin and so makes a disaster of the future.

The infrastructure of 37 (like any highway), its skeletal form (like any animal), is not at all described by analogy to 39 - the vague notion of everything I have just written, a frigid structure standing up to the 'mindless flow' (me) of the surroundings needs the development of the specific answer, not form of 37 (as does the vague notion of everything else I have said here, all of which makes absolutely no sense to anyone but I) 37 needs the particular form of a real reader, which I am not)

Does 37 'sit' with your question? If you used traditional methods (ie, a straightforward answer) such a determination is sure. Using my “method,” it could be the 'best fit' OTOH it could be the worst fit! So in other words, what I have written here means absolutely nothing, but if you are nonetheless impressed with my meaningless babble, The EIC program may aid in getting a more inconsistent 'feel' for the situation.

If you have a problem with how Elvis expresses himself (and it was you who attacked him first) then 'Moderation' is the place to do it, not here. Initially you questioned his right to even post on this thread yet I don't think you have the first clue about the I Ching at all., probably never even used it. I think what you do is check back through readings to cobble some interpretation together from someone else...and then enjoy parodying them ! You are arrogant enough to think people won't notice. I suspect you think we who discuss the Yi are all a bunch of nuts and its easy for anyone to pretend they know what they are talking about....you started out some time back with 'dicks online' didn't you..

i don't think you have any real interest in the Yi and have picked this forum out purely to mock and disrupt


Can I just say parodying peoples writing is not a particularly clever, witty or sharp thing to do, its easy, anyone could do it if they wanted to but why would they ? It would be like mimicking someones speech infront of them, rather nasty and unpleasant. Its easy to pick out a persons mannerisms, to exagerate and twist their oft expressed ideas and so on..it doesn't make you seem clever, it makes you seem really stupid and inarticulate in that you cannot express your disagreements directly or coherently but resort to blatant mockery

Each time you create a fake persona (which ends up being the same old persona...you have a very limited vocabulary btw) you respond in precisely the same way when challenged, as if shocked etc...you don't even have the wit to vary your response. You're really bad at this, you do exactly the same thing each time, aren't you getting bored at your own witlessness ?..
 
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If you have a problem with how Elvis expresses himself (and it was you who attacked him first) then 'Moderation' is the place to do it, not here. Initially you questioned his right to even post on this thread yet I don't think you have the first clue about the I Ching at all., probably never even used it.

The parody usage is a form of defence - common in over-educated low-brows ;) If you review the prose there is a tinge of someone having experienced betrayals and the need for control; anything 'outside' of the personal context ('world view') is considered 'evil' etc etc and that includes any prose they cannot understand. This is indicative of symmetric, or mythic, thinking and we all know that it is very difficult for symmetric thinking to comprehend the asymmetric (i.e. comprehend the realm of well developed consciousness) - they can lack the precision necessary and so hide behind abuse and the stereotyping that comes with symmetric thinking (as in 'you are not one of us!').

Another property of symmetric perspectives is 'shape-shifting' and so living a life from behind masks. We all have a persona on these lists but those driven to perpetual shape-shifting seem to be a touch mischievous in their natures.

Can 'low brows' be raised? possible but rare - vanity can get in the way of such.

Lets see now, have I forgotten anything? Oh yes! references re asymmetric/symmetric thinking (a fundamental when focused on precision ;-)):

Matte-Blanco, I., (1975)"The Unconscious as Infinite Sets" Karnac
Rayner, E., (1995)"Unconscious Logic - an introduction to Matte-Blanco's bi-logic and its uses" Brunner-Routledge
Jung, C., (1912) "Two Kinds of Thinking" in "Symbols of Transformation" 2nd ed 1967
Lofting, C., (2009)"IDM - an abstract domain model" in "The Emotional I Ching : A Language of the Vague" Lulu
Lofting, C., (2009)"Hexagram 37" in "The Emotional I Ching : A Language of the Vague" LuLu
 

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OK, the first thing I need to say is that the report post function is on the blink.

SORRY.


If you have been reporting posts to me, the reports didn't reach me. I don't know why not, and will try to sort that out soon. I'm not ignoring you, I'm just ignorant.

This thread is going off the rails in so many different ways at once I don't see a way to put it back.

Chris/ Elvis - the way you started, offering ideas on the hexagram received, is fine. Suggesting another way of reaching a hexagram is also OK (you might want to use your signature for that). Having made the suggestion, you then need to leave it for people to take or leave as they see fit.

Trojanwench, Deekristen - Chris is allowed to post his ideas about the hexagrams, same as anyone. If you want to challenge him and debate their validity, please don't do it on a Shared Readings thread.

Trojan - I can't decide whether Trojanwench is a parody or, as she says, using a different name because her usual one's already taken. Her posts seem reasonable - whereas 'Ginnie2' is obviously sabotage, and I'll go get rid of that now.

Trojanwench - whatever you wanted to express with your choice of username, what you've managed to express is that you're some kind of 'derivative' of Trojan. If that's not what you want to be, you can change your username here.
 

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Update - Trojan, apologies, you were quite right. I have more fake users to ban than I thought. (Doesn't the woman have anything better to do? Maybe it's the time of year - she can't tear the wings off enough flies to keep her happy and has to find other amusements to play with.)
 

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