Federal Polices' Presence in Portland: 18 uc and 9.6 to 5

[Fanofenka]

We have heard news that federal police are going after protesters. Some were freed after hours in detainment. I checked from a tarot reader and said that it too shall pass in a few months. While looking through the comments sections, one say that Russia/Putin is behind it while another said Blackwater/Eric Prince is behind it.

Why is the federal police going after protesters in Portland? 18 uc Corruption (Work on what has been spoiled, Decay).
Corruption. Creating success from the source. Fruitful to cross the great river. Before the seed day, three days. After the seed day, three days. (Oracle) Below the mountain is the wind: Corruption. A noble one rouses the people to nurture character. (Image)
Is the police force being manipulated?

What will the federal polices' presence mean for the rest of the US? 9.6 Small Taming to 5 Waiting.
Hex 9: Small taming, creating success. Dense clouds without rain Come from my Western altars. (Oracle) Wind moves above heaven: Small Taming. A noble one cultivates the natural pattern of character. (Image)
Line 6: Already rained, already come to rest. Honour the power it carries. The wife's constancy brings danger, The moon is almost full. Noble one sets out to bring order – pitfall.
Hex 5: Waiting, with truth and confidence. Shining out, creating success: constancy brings good fortune. Fruitful to cross the great river. (Oracle) The clouds are above heaven: Waiting. A noble one eats, drinks and relaxes with music. (Image)
9.6=The situation in Portland will come to pass, where others will stop the federal police.
5=People to wait for the federal police to leave Portland.

 

[Lavalamp]

Why (are) the federal police going after protesters in Portland?
18 Unchanging. They are trying to repair the decay.

What will the federal police's presence mean for the rest of the US? 9.6 > 5 .
5 - Waiting as context. This hex describes sincerity and firmness leading to light and success. And people eating and drinking and being of good cheer. - The rest of the US wants this.
9.6 - Legge: In line six the idea of the hexagram has run its course. The harmony of nature is restored. The rain falls, and the onward march of the dynamic lines should now stop.
I think this line says once the situation returns to normal they should back off, or there will be misfortune if they persist.

- LL

 

[Freedda]

Why ate the federal police going after protesters in Portland?

Based on the news and 'just the facts' Federal law enforcement is in Portland because Trump ordered them to be there. They were deployed under Trump's new executive order to protect federal monuments and buildings.

 

[rosada]

What will the police presence mean for the rest of the US. ?

Together I think the hexagrams indicate
9.6 A sense that things have gone as far as they can go - with peaceful protesters being clubbed and shot by police there really is no way we can pretend any longer that this is just government trying to keep the peace.

Yet citizens know it would be foolhardy to try to try to combat armed police so for now we 5.Wait, but just because there hasn't been a huge display of outrage yet doesn't mean there wont be one.

 

[Valmar33]

Frankly, at this point, I'm finding the diversity of interpretations of the same casting to be more interesting than the casting itself.

Almost like we can read a great deal many things from the same casting, depending on our personal worldviews...

A bipartisan answer would be nice... but it would require putting aside emotions and trying to get to what Yi is really trying to say here...

And the context is that it is Fanofenka's casting, thus it is Yi attempting to speak to them... it would require an understanding of the exact context of Fanofenka's question, words and emotions when asking...

This seems to be true for many a casting...

 

[Lavalamp]

Federal law enforcement is in Portland because Trump ordered them to be there. Too bad the psychic you consult with doesn't watch any real news. You might want to try it some time as well.

Since you are quoting my interpretation of the cast, it seems like you are flaming me!
But the iChing's answer to Fanofenka's question of why the police are there was 18 unchanging.
So if I assume you are actually appropriately addressing that - then you are saying Hex 18 is actually Trump!
VERY Interesting.
Because in Oct. 2016 when I asked the Yi who would win the Presidency that's the hex I got, I got 18.1!
18.1 Fixing the corruption due to rigid adherence to the status quo. In the context of 26, taming the great! Bridling the horned things!
How interesting that you underline that it's because Trump sent them, and the YI says it's because of 18!
So Hex 18 = Trump. That's some Synchronicity there - and you weren't even trying!


- LL

What I wrote to friends on October 14, 2016...
On Oct 23 Time Magazine had Clinton up by 14 points, and ABC and CNN had her up by 12 points.

"Well I did a iChing reading on the election. It did surprise me a bit. We'll see if my reading of the lines comes to pass. I always take these things with a large pinch of salt.

I asked what the Democrat's results in the election would be, and I got two lines that read "Failing to contend." And going home. Perhaps that means a low Democratic voter turnout. And I asked who would win the Presidency, and I got 18.1 which is about corruption as a result of rigid adherence to the status quo or blind faith in tradition being corrected.
Sounds like a Trump win... But we will see!"

Up until this reading, near as I can tell, the Yi would only give me advice - not actually divine the future. For over 40 years.

 

[Freedda]

.... seems like you are flaming me!

I am not flaming you! And my post was not in response to anything you said!

And I can assure you, i never 'quoted' you, so I have no clue why you're bringing it up as 'proof' of flaming ?

I was just stating what I thought of as a basic fact of the situation, perhaps colored by what i think about relying on a psychic for one's interpretation of the world's news. And your decided to respond with a long political tirade - and what you predicted back in 2016?, - which you've many times said others should not do - make things political?

I have no idea how or why you've turned this into me flaming you, or me otherwise knocking some imagined chip off your shoulder.

And FYI (since I looked it up to make sure I understood what you were referring to): Flaming is the online act of posting insults, often laced with profanity or other offensive language on social networking sites.

 

[Surfergirl]

Why? 18uc
I see hex 18 as part of cycle of life. Decay is not always bad. Dead leaves need to fall from trees to usher in new life. I see 18 in UC form in this instance as stuck in the cycle of decay and disrepair . I believe the yi might be saying that they are there simply because this has gone on too long. They are forcing the decay to completion? Perhaps. (This is not me providing political commentary, simply trying to read 18 UC as an answers to any issue and not attempting to assert motives )

9.6 I usually read as to stop before going too far. At the end of the cycle the energies are becoming out of balance. As an answer I’d see it as the rest of the US learning our boundaries.Grappling with our amendment rights and discerning where to draw the line.

 

[rosada]

Trump has announced he intends to send troupes to other states too now. I wonder if 9.6 - 5 was
a way of telling us, “Wait, more is coming.”

 

[Fanofenka]

A friend of mine from a psychic site did a tarot read reading and saw that it will backfire.

 

[Valmar33]

Sigh... how worthless.

Why don't you leave your psychic friend and their Tarot cards out of it?

Because I trust the I Ching to give a much clearer, far less ambiguous meaning than some dubious psychic I don't know or trust, and their equally dubious interpretation of whatever Tarot cards they use.

For the record, there are various psychics that I do trust ~ but I also understand that the clarity of a psychic can vary with their current mood and state of mind.

And besides ~ we don't know what cards they drew for their reading! Nor what kind of deck they use, nor what kind of spread they used.

Do you see my frustrations with this?

 

[Freedda]

Sigh... how worthless. Why don't you leave your psychic friend and their Tarot cards out of it?

.... I trust the I Ching to give a much clearer, far less ambiguous meaning than some dubious psychic I don't know ..., and their ... dubious interpretation of ... Tarot cards ...

I believe I understand your concern and share a bit of your frustration.

However, I think we need to make a distinction here: on the one hand, is Fano saying, "I went to a psychic/tarot website and someone said 'this is why Trump sent troops to ....' and what do you all think of this psychic/tarot interpretation"? - and if that's the case, this Yijing forum is not the place to discuss it. (But it might be okay in the Exploring Divination section.)

On the other hand ....

If he/she/they are saying "I went to a psychic/tarot website and someone said 'this is why Trump sent troops to ... (psychic/tarot interpretation) .... I then asked the Yi about 'Federal Polices' Presence in Portland' and I got 18 uc and 9.6 to 5 .... "

... and in this case, the Yi's response is what we should legitimately be looking at. (And perhaps Fano's repeated mentioning of psychics and the tarot is adding to the confusion.)

And if we focus on the second scenario, we also don't have to get into the discussion / argument about which - in our expert, but varied, but humble opinions - is the best divination method.

all the best ...

 

[Lavalamp]

Trump has announced he intends to send troupes to other states too now. I wonder if 9.6 - 5 was
a way of telling us, “Wait, more is coming.”

It could, but the actual question was "What will the federal police's presence mean for the rest of the US?"
5 describes strength in the face of danger. The lower trigram is strength, the upper trigram danger. The image is clouds rising and people making merry with food and drink while they wait (for the rain to fall I would think.) And the judgment is with sincerity and firmness there will be good fortune.
This is the context of the reading, The Yi is talking about the rest of the country not being worried about this.

9.6 Describes after the rain has fallen. There is rest in the accumulated virtue and balance is restored. But if at that point the superior man continues to prosecute his measures, there will be push back so it will be unlucky, for not all agree.

- LL

 

[Surfergirl]

Trump has announced he intends to send troupes to other states too now. I wonder if 9.6 - 5 was
a way of telling us, “Wait, more is coming.”

Interesting. Definitely more is coming but perhaps also limits. Here’s an NPR article that reports on the boundaries being enforced around deploying federal troops. Assuring people a balance will be stuck...

Federal Agents Will Be 'Clearly Identified' In Kansas City, Mo., U.S. Attorney Says — NPR

"These agents won't be patrolling the streets," U.S. Attorney Timothy Garrison said in a statement to NPR, responding to concerns over the controversial use of federal agents in U.S. cities.

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