Finding the reason

[frank]

Hello,

It was all just expression... I will spank myself now... Let us know, Zelda, what happend...

Huggie,
Frank

 

[zeldiac]

I'm back again with the stalker issue. If you're all fed up of it by now, feel free to completely ignore me! But if you're still vaguely interested, perhaps you might want to give me your opinion on this latest reading.

Things have progressed legally in the past two weeks. Some helpful information has reached me from a key legal contact, but only through word of mouth. Rather than bore you with the fine detail, it's enough to say that I need to get the information in writing and fairly quickly. But what if I don't get it in writing? It's vital I get it.

I asked the Yi what the general diagnosis is on this important information being handed over in writing to me.

The answer was 1, Creative with moving lines 4 & 6. Am I right thinking this is a positive reading, that I will get the information in writing? Are the arrogant dragons repenting the folks behind the stalking problem? Or have I lost the plot completely by now? Hope you can help me clipart{happy}

 

[jesed]

Hi Zeldiac

Just in case the comment could be useful

"General Diagnosis" is, like the prhase said: a) A description of the presente situation; and b) A general situation

Try to know if the information will be in your hand in paper is not a present situation neither a general situation; but a doubt about future concrete facts.

What I'm traying to said is: even if I had suggest the "general diagnosis" kind of question, it doesn't mean that every question should beging with "general diagnosis....".

Even more, some times mixing "general diagnosis" with concrete doubts in one prhase could lead you to confusion on understanding the readings.

best wishes

 

[zeldiac]

Thanks Jesed - point taken. I'm perhaps being over zealous in asking too open a question. Trying to avoid the 'will I or won't I?' scenario.

best wishes
Zelda

 

[bruce]

Hi Zelda,

Still following your story with interest. I just haven't had anything to contribute as of late.

If I understand this last reading correctly, 5 would be your relating hex. I generally pay close attention to the relating gua, especially for more open type questions.

There seems a correlation between 1.4 and 5, in that there is no creative action taken at the moment. There is wavering, or "chillin out" in both. And to press forward too strongly for resolution is shown in 1.6. Hex 1, in general, I?d see as the forward Yang push, which in this case is tempered through relaxation and enjoying the small things in life, while waiting.

 

[zeldiac]

Hi Bruce

I understand your comments, and I think you're right. Lately I feel more calm about this stalking situation; more able to get back to enjoying my 'ordinary' life. The waiting game seems to have gone on for ever, but I'm developing patience while I wait.

Zelda

 

[frank]

Hi Zelda,

I hope everything is going OK with you and that this situation will be over in no time. In the meanwhile I think that by getting hexagram 1 as answer to your question what the diagnosis would be of the writting you would receive (and did you already?), the Yi is trying to calm you down a little bit. Hexagram 1 is all Yang, so a lot of energy. The trigram below stays heaven, as lines 4 & 6 change, so there still be a a strong person inside you. You are getting stronger and stronger in this. So... go girl!. BUT...

Line 4 is changing hex. 1 into 9, the clouds are there, but the rain has not come yet, as the writting you received or are receiving is about actions to be taken, information to be stored, and trying to get emotions straigth. Hex. 9 is about details, and things not comming out immidiatly and impatience could be in store (very well understood tough!). The Yi is asking you to watch the details as something has to be done with that. In the meanwhile when things again are changed in detail you do not try to be overconfidend (arrogant dragon in line 6), and wait (hexagram 5), for the outcome...

Does this make some sense?

Hang in there!

Hug,
Frank

 

[zeldiac]

Frank what a kind person you are to explain your interpretation so clearly. What you say is equally valid and thought provoking.

I'm definitely playing a waiting game just now and find it frustrating. Have you heard the expression 'the devil's in the detail'? That's the way I see the request for information in writing.

The person who will make the final decision on giving me the written confirmation is very notable. A high ranking official. The difficulty I face is this.

I already know the information because one of the official's personnel has told me. But - by getting it in writing strengthens my forthcoming legal case. Strongly. It will definitely ensure the stalkers get what they legally deserve. Without the written information - my situation becomes more negative. It will negatively impact on my taking full legal redress when the time is right. Which is what my advisors have universally told me is my appropriate action.

So as I said ' the devil's in the detail' - nothing in writing, further negates the situation.

I'm thinking about asking another question of Yi because there is total silence in relation to my request for the information to be given to me in writing. But working out the question structure is taking me some time. No doubt I will come up with something suitable.

I appreciate your kind interest in my ongoing case. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm boring all you people into a coma-like state!

Best wishes
Zelda

 

[frank]

Hi Zelda,

Thank you for the compliment. I?m almost permantly blushing on this site these last two months :-D. Now you said something about a high official? Ha, that could be hexagram 1 as well, as the trigram ?heaven? is about the father in the family, the chief of the board, the high official. Probably he has to do get some more details, perhaps PROVE, before he hands it over. The heaven above changes into wind, so... idea?s, an attribute of heaven, as heaven symbolises our thoughts, will be deepend (wind > study)...I am not, by the way, busy in trying to get you false hope or anything, so I could be wrong here, but I think not...

In the meanwhile, be like hex. 5, if that?s possible, and try to relax and ?wait with wine and speices?, as line 5 is saying... and trust yourself that the solution to all of this is near.

Hang in there!

And at least I?m not in a coma (yet)...

Hug,
Frank

 

[rosada]

Hi Zelda,
Just wanting to add to Frank's comment that we are most certainly NOT in a coma re your true life adventure. With newspapers mostly printing stories about how evil prevails it means alot to read of a situation where the well intentioned soul not only survives but triumphs. Please know your stoey is REAl to us and we so appreciate your sharing and we are visualizing you arriving home safe and sound.
Best!
rosada

 

[zeldiac]

I appreciate your latest input Frank and Rosada. My spirits are lifted by your words. I'm waiting and I'm hoping.

Yesterday I received a short letter from the official I mentioned. He is presently considering my request. He tells me that he will decide whether I should have the details I want in writing by 2nd March. So it looks as if he really is the father figure as indicated in Hex 1. I'm working hard on visualising him giving me what I need in writing. It's too awful to think he will not give me what I need. I sometimes feel within this situation that the criminals have a pretty easy life in comparision to crime victims, but I'm never bitter. I just hope I keep strong. And that the end of this thing is in sight.

regards
Zelda

 

[zeldiac]

I'm back again with a miniature update. I'm still awaiting the written information I so badly need to help my case. There have been some added obstructions in the past week. I've begun to feel very stressed with the delay but I'm trying to remain calm.

The 2nd March is the cut off date for the written information to reach me or to be refused. I'm worrying. I asked of the Yi 'can I expect to receive the full information by 2nd March?'. I think my reading is positive: Primary 19 Approach, but with changing line 2, and relating 24 Fu. I read this quite positively, and am hoping your generous opinions might tell me my interpretation is heading in the right direction.

Hope all of you are ok and having peaceful days.
Zelda

 

[frank]

Hi Zelda,

Thanks for the update, and I keep my fingers crossed for you, as I have no idea what it brings to you in waiting, frustration, getting stressed with the delay, etc. At least there is a 'deadline' in the form of the 2nd of March, and that is still some weeks away, but at least it is something. Hang in there!

Hexagram 19 as answer to your question, acording to Yi-author Wu Jingnuan asks about simplicity. I think the Yi is still trying to calm you down, although I find that a harsh answer, as it is a very normal way of behaviour getting angry, frustrated, stressed out, etc... But as line 2 is saying: "All arrive. Good Fortune. Without doubt advantageous", the Yi is demanding simplicity in emotions. By getting 24 as the 'end hexagram' the Yi asks you to get back to your own sources, your own base, your inner strengh. Perhaps you are busy trying to lose yourself a little bit here, and as you are continuing to do that the oracle warns you 'misfortune in the 8th month'... That phrase only tells me that the misfortune is NOT laid down in August, or September (aprox the 8th month for the Chinese), and not even 8 months from now (which would then be October), but it could warn you not to be that stressfull, because although very understandable, you have your energylimits as well... and within 8 months from now you could feel overtired. 24 then as a hexagram is trying to get you down, back at your feet..... By telling that things will arrive in time, and by reading line 2 I think you could get info on the 2nd of March, although I'm very carefull in giving false hopes, and that starts also a new return towards yourself...

I hope it makes some sense, and again: hang in there!

Hug.
Frank

 

[jesed]

Hi Z

Just in case the comment could be useful:

According with mathematical method

Date (??; clarify the day when the question was made is needed)

Month Tiger (wood)

Subject: Zeldiac

Key element: aspect R (letter, written information)

Void element (??; clarify the day when the question was made is needed)

Interpretation:
Subject Line is in line 2 Rabbit (wood); is strong and healthy.. means good luck
Key element is in line 1 Snake (fire); fire is produced by wood of the month.. means good luck

Active line is line 2 (subject), Wood produces fire... means the activity of the consultant produces the letter. But the resultant element is Tiger (wood); is a retreatment movement; this means hinderence, obstacles

The tendential hex (24) is a "total combination"; when asking yes/no means YES


Conclusion:
It seems that the letter will arrive, after several obstacles.
Most probably it will arrive in day/month tiger or snake.

Important Note: the accuracy of this conclusion is conditional.. the exactly day when the consult was made is needed to give an accuracy prediction.

Best wishes

 

[jesed]

ps

Assuming that the question was made on February 18, 2006:

A) According with traditional teachings, the paper would be arrive; no later than March 17, 2006

B) According with mathematical method, the paper would be arrive; most probably in one of the next days: February 18, 19 or 21; March 2, 3, 5, 14, 15, 17, 26 or 27

 

[lightofdarkness]

Jesed asked me to review this thread from an ICPlus perspective.

Some basic points:

(1) 18 & 19 Feb, 5 & 26 March, r on a weekend where most postal services dont deliver so it better be by courier! (I also note that Jesed makes no distinctions of time zones etc but I must assume that his method 'magically' does)

(2) the thread is riddled with the use of the traditional IC using 'random' methods and as such applying the WHOLE of the IC as a filter with no differentiation beyond that. Thus since the WHOLE of the IC applies to the moment/question/situation so ANY hexagram derived will be 'meaningful' - the variations in meaning etc will be due to the method used - IOW coin toss will give different results to yarrow stick etc due to the differences in biases in each (yarrow is biased to yin, coin is 50/50. Therefore local context culture can determine the best method to use - a more 'yin' oriented culture uses yarrow. A more yang oriented culture should use reverse_yarrow. A 'middle of the road' culture should use coins etc etc etc)

What is in fact happening when using 'random' methods is you get the full set of hexagrams as an answer but with one particular determined to be the 'best fit'. Using coin tossing there is a 1 in 64 chance of the hexagram truely being the 'best fit' and all hexagrams can be found to be 'meaningful' to varying degrees (with our consciousness 'filling in the dots' to ensure we get the meaning we want!)

The reality is that all hexagrams make-up a set of universals where local context, and so the 'question' etc will sort that set of universals into a best-fit/worst-fit ordering. Random methods etc cannot ensure the 'best fit' they claim to derive IS "THE" best fit.... but then we can always claim it is a miracle or synchronicity ;-) (the latter easily possible when any of the first, say, 10 hexagrams of the true 'best fit' order are derived and our consciousness deems that best fit to be close enough! (it will FEEL that way but then the 10 will fall into a pool of feeling of being the 'best fit' ) - IOW a 6th of the hexagrams will be close enough to the 'best fit' for any one of those to be declared the true 'best fit' and it must be due to synchronicity etc - Jung actually applies the term in a more 'objective' way emphasising a 'proximity' factor - as in a couple of days etc rather than 100% 'sync' all of the time)

What ICPlus shows we CAN do that elicits 'best fits' in a more consistant manner, is use generic questions to identify what 'buttons' are being pressed in an individual by the context and so identify that context and so the 'best fit' hexagram. Once identified all of the remaining hexagrams fall into their 'correct' positions in the 64-hexagram sequence (or 8 trigram sequence or 4096 dodecagram sequence etc etc depending on the depth of analysis) - at that point the questioner has the choice of (a) adopting the best fit or (b) trying to assert their own context or (c) moving on.

The question method is at:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/icplusProact.html

Unlike Jesed's methods, ICPlus lays no claim to being able to predict the fall of particular lotto balls at a certain date/time ;-) - ICPlus is more interested in the facts *behind* the IC general methodology and the exploitation of those facts for the consistant benefit of individual/collective.

Chris.

 

[lightofdarkness]

BTW - the use of random/miraculous methods allows for the derivation of some aspect of a situation not considered without going through all of the hexagrams - IOW it has its uses ;-)

The more we unravel the neuroscience data so the more we can see how it is that such metaphors developed and continue to find success in their use. At the same time, we also discover aspects of the methodology not covered (or marginalised) in the traditional material.

Chris.

 

[jesed]

so

ICPlus cann't do something traditional I Ching can.. is interesting to know that

Thanks Cris

 

[lightofdarkness]

The methodology you use Jesed is based in a specialist perspective and can elicit delusions/illusions (and so paradox issues). IOW the traditional IC can elicit delusions/illusions which you then try to live by in your particular 'small world network' (have you won lotto yet? repeatedly? I ask since you methodology implies you can do it whenever you wish.... or are you now going to give some ethics-based excuse why you dont do it? (ethics being the Science of Freedom)

I guarantee you that serious, empirical, research into your methodology would raise BIG issues that would threaten your faith. But then you would not want to do that would you. Better to maintain the illusions/delusions eh? ;-) - and thats fine - you keep doing what you are doing and I am sure you will be content. ;-)

The ICPlus material is derived from IDM analysis of how our neurology works and interacts with reality. The question method used in ICPlus works EXTREMELY WELL since it works off the basic premises of:

(0) The universal dynamics of differentiating/integrating elicits patterns of behaviour that serve as general context.

(1) General Context pushes particular instincts. (and demonstrated in the instincts/habits encoding in or close to input areas of the neurology - it also refines/creates instincts/habits through feedback loops; negative allows for integration with context (equilibrium), positive allows for 'extremes' in dealing with context - highs, lows)

(2) Instincts elicit feelings that allow for meaning derivation and its communication.

(3) Consciousness can 'interrogate' those feelings in a precise, structured way to bring out their response nature to the stimulus.

(4) Given the nature of the responses we can identify the nature of the general context working as stimulus (IOW we can map out the FULL spectrum of what is going on - the 'big picture' so to speak as it pushes one's buttons.)

(5) Given the nature of the context in the form of a hexagram we can use XOR methods to extract the properties and methods of that hexagram and so (a) go with the flow or (b) fight it, or (c) move on.

Simple. Repeatable. Sourced in empirical studies. Proven. Available for all with no need for 'specialist' understanding.

Chris.

 

[lightofdarkness]

BTW - note in the ICPlus questions the focus is on questions regarding the context - and so does not address the particular question but more so what buttons are being pushed in you to ask such a question.

IOW "does he love me?" is not addressed. What is addressed are the GENERAL feelings associated with the question (values, possibles etc). The answers then give an indication of what is forcing you to ask the question and so aid in dealing with the context and so allows for long term planning/analysis etc etc.

With just two questions we can identify the four core contexts of human behaviours, here identified through Kersey's et al:

identity seeking
security seeking
solutions seeking
sensation seeking

Add a third and we move to the realm of trigrams. Add three more and we move to hexagrams. Simple stuff. The focus is not on the particular but on the harmonics etc surrounding it and so 'forcing' the question.

Note carefully that given a hexagram for a context, using XOR we can extract details including the probable path of development of that context and from there CHOOSE if we want to stay with it or not. - and we can do this repeatedly, simply.

Jung tried to show the dynamics with his concept of sychronicity but he did not have access to current reasearch data showing we have a model of reality 'in here' in the form of differentiating/integrating patterns that we use to relate to the image 'out there'. Using the ICPlus questions there is always 'synchronicity' since the model reflects, in general, the context (unless you get the questions 'wrong' ;-))

(this also touches on the traditional perspective of the importance of the question. ICPlus indicates that the question should be about feelings in response to the context to then identify the hexagram that 'fits' that context. - and not to use 'random' methods etc to benefit from this nore ask such questions as "does he/she love me?")

Chris.

 

[zeldiac]

Frank, Jesed, Chris I appreciate all of your latest input. Some of the messages will take me more time to fully understand, but thanks for having posted. Also, I confirm that the 18th February (UK) was date I asked the latest question.

Zelda

 

[zeldiac]

I'm back again and I'm devastated. Today I received two letters from two 'top' men. They have both consulted together, so I'm informed. And they have jointly refused to put in writing the information I requested. Without this information, I am further obstructed in getting my stalker stopped. In reality, the decision allows the stalker(s) free rein to continue harassing me indefinitely. I don't understand it.

I have been told 'off the record' the details I need, but I've been refused the information in writing.

I'm stunned. I had begun to believe I would get it. I must have misinterpreted my recent consultations of the Yi.

When I feel better I will think of how to proceed. Thanks for your interest in my case. I just wonder why it seems the criminals have a greater chance of success than victims of crime?

Best wishes
Zelda

 

[jesed]

Hi Zelda

"It seems that the letter will arrive, after several obstacles"

Let's wait until the end of March

Best wishes

 

[zeldiac]

Thanks Jesed - I note what you wrote on 18th February, and you're probably right. You ended with: 'Conclusion: It seems that the letter will arrive, after several obstacles.
Most probably it will arrive in day/month tiger or snake'. Sorry if I seem agitated but I'm so sad today.

Best wishes
Zelda

 

[frank]

Hi Zelda,

Please, hang in there. I still have an idea that by getting hex. 9 or 1 earlier that it all has to do with details and it takes time ?before the rain comes out of the clouds...? I?m again very carefull in giving false hope, and it is abselutly very understandable that you respond and are nervous in responding the way you do, and the Yi does understand that too. I have realy no idea what it feels like to be in a situation you are in, but I realy wish you all the strengh in this. Again: Hang in there, and know there is someone thinking about you in a more positive way....

Hug,
Frank

 

[zeldiac]

Thanks for your message Frank. It helped me to get things a bit more in perspective.

I've been busy in the past few days. Gathered my thoughts and decided to issue a formal appeal to the top guys who have rejected my request for written confirmation. The appeal was as clear and well founded as I could possibly make it.

I've just asked Yi another question: Have I done enough within my appeal to get the information I want?

I think the result looks favourable. And it fits in with the previous reading which suggested I would have to overcome obstacles before getting what I want.

I got primary 2 with changing lines 3 & 4, and the relating 62. My interpretation is that after consideration the top guys will release details in writing. I see line 3 and its referral of being in service to the king as equating to the top guy who has makes major decisions. Also, I think (I hope) I've interpreted line 4 correctly as meaning the situation should be resolved, 'tied up'. What do you think?

Zelda

 

[frank]

Hi Zelda,

To me hex. 2 is a hexagram that deal for a part with acceptance and being led, and on another part about interaction between people... so I think the Yi is telling you that you have to accept the things as they are going these days first and interact with the ?top guys? so to speak. I have trouble in getting this clear, so perhaps you could explain me something... What is this actual writting all about? Is it a permission to get the stalkers or something, a thing from court that they have to be at least in a mile distance? I have trouble in understanding this and if I see this more clear the answer of the Yi could be better ?translated?... But as I see the answers sofar at least hex. 2 is about being led, acceptance and interaction. Be like a mare... Find friends in the Southwest (where the earth, acceptance and interaction is, acording to the trigramcircle of the later Heaven), and not in the Northeast (where mountains are... standing still, looking back to much...).

When you look at the 3rd line the hexagram changes into hex.15 Modesty... The judgement sais you get ?result?. But in a modest way... In the same view as acceptance first, this means that you win a lot by not having to high expectations first, how ever hard that is at this point. The way people look at a ?stalker problem? is almost all the time in favour of the one who is being stalked, and there is no doubt in my mind that these guys are helping you every way they can, so there must be something else why the Yi is saying to you, almost constantly, to calm down, to accept the things as they are going these days, and stay in interaction and being led by others. This is a test for your patience... Also the outcome when changing line 3 to hex. 15... Be modest first... Han Boering, a dutch I Ching author is saying about hex. 15 that it needs craftmanship to do this...! So be proud about what you do anyway you can, how ever small!

Changing line 4 ONLY you get 16 Enthousiasm... As the ?end?hexagram is 62 and again about staying low (in the nest), Han Boering is saying about 62 that this a situation that will look like a ?transition?. By going to hex. 15 before going to hex. 16... you have to get less expectations, so the enthousiasm (16) can be more down to earth.
I do not know for shure if this transition is within you, and the lower expectations and therefor the better way of dealing with the whole situation, or that the whole deal is in transition...

Is this babbling of me making some sense what so ever :-D?

Hang in there!

Hug,
Frank

 

[zeldiac]

Frank, your interpretation is very helpful. You have spent a lot of time on this, which I appreciate. And you are definitely not babbling!

The information I need in writing is related to Court. Well done for working that out - I try not to put too much detail in because this case has dragged on for such a long time. Maybe I should end this thread and start off another one?!

I've been told 'confidentially' what has led to the stalker harassing me. That information is very valuable to me and my lawyer. Because it gives my lawyer the chance to get the stalker restrained and, hopefully, stopped for good.

But - because the stalker has also been established as harassing some other people, I've been refused the information being given in writing.

This sounds crazy, but it's true. Apparently to put the information in writing means it is accessible to 'the general public'. And because of the stalker being associated to a number of cases (!) the legal people deem it as being unsafe to give me the information in writing.

I've argued that without the information in writing, justice cannot prevail. And more importantly for me, I remain stalked and remain unsafe.

Hope all this makes sense and gives some clear background to my being determined to get the written evidence. All I want is to be free of being harassed - which at present, is impossible. I live in hope. Thanks again for your interpretation.

Best wishes
Zelda

 

[peace]

Please stay safe - whatever you have to do Zelda.

My prayers are with you,
Rosalie

 

[peace]

Please stay safe - whatever you have to do Zelda.

My prayers are with you,
Rosalie